DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.
Could need some love maybe?
I use one for my DK tank, so people do use them.DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »It's a tank race and yet no tank uses it...argonian is just so much better.
Could need some love maybe?
You don't HAVE to be an Argonian to tank, it's just easier/better. I mean we all of someone who does a good job as a Khajiit which isn't even a "tank race".
OP's point goes a little further than that, though. Presumably OP wasn't saying that in fact no player tanks on a Nord -- obviously people tank on every race. The point is that there's no gameplay-based reason to tank on a Nord. Other than roleplay or not wanting to buy a race-change token, why be a Nord? They offer no advantage that isn't outclassed by other races.
The problem with Nords is that that's true no matter what role or spec you're going for -- PVP bruiser, PVE tank, PVE DPS, PVP support, PVE healer, etc. It's always better not to be a Nord. That suggests something about their racial passives needs to be adjusted.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »
Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »I don't play Nord and have no intention on playing it. But I agree that they need a big buff because noone plays them for their stats.
I do hope that every race gets adjusted to not only have raw stats but also some useful interaction similar like the Argonian potion passive.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »
You obviously never met these illusive and really stubborn Argonian Nightblades? No? Perhaps more common before Clever Alchemist was changed, but before that at the very least... Clever, potion cooldown glyph(s?), and every trashpot is sort of a tri-pot to them...
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.
OoooooooooooThey should also get 20% increased DMG using fists because that's funny and I want to see more Nord *** ERP in taverns lol.
tinythinker wrote: »
Nord should get stamina cost reduction to break free, dodge roll and block.
They could also get a 3-5% DMG increase using Frost DMG. That would match their racial passives from other games.
They should also get 20% increased DMG using fists because that's funny and I want to see more Nord *** ERP in taverns lol.
Stinkyremy wrote: »
Following meta is for idiots and epeen chasers.
Just because of redguard racial perks does not mean every stam has to be a redguard. Same goes for mag altmer, tank argonian or healer breton.
Choose whatever race and class you want.
Peekachu99 wrote: »A Nord Warden tank has 14% mitigation at pretty much all times. That’s not insignificant when paired with major protection and Armor caps/ impen.
Now slap on permafrost set (again, which people call “useless”) and trollking and another set for flavour and you have a nigh unkillable Nord tank.
You’re welcome.
P.S. The Warden Shield procs permafrost.
Both nord & imperial provide zero racial sustain. Puts them in a comparatively bad place since Morrowind where sustain became more important that stats. (Dunmer are the only other race like that, but their passives are pretty good when you think 'almost free vampire' and that has sustain)
All races should get reviewed with every major patch like Morrowind or Summerset because changes with those really do have a knock on effect elsewhere. Honestly pretty much everything should be reviewed, including cp, sets etc. There is a huge gap between the best and worst races in ESO due to the multiplative nature of the way damage works. It's gets way more effective going up than down.
I'd much rather see each race give say +5 or +10 to certain cp skills, and have the whole system expanded to include things like swim speed. That way someone who actually trained in swimming could be faster than an argonian with a water allergy...
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.
@Priyasekarssk
Pointing out that a race has the worst passives on paper is a L2P issue? Really? Well I have learned to play enough that in every imaginable scenario in this game, you can objectively do better than a Nord with another race. I am not saying the difference is miles apart, but if you are looking to min/max, nord is NEVER the answer, period. Also, Imperial is a much stronger race than nord. Better damage, better stats, and frankly, better survival (due to the better stats and because the nord mitigation passive is a joke). Also, I didnt make the thread, I am just telling it like it is. The question was asked, and I gave my 2 cents. That's what forums are for...
tinythinker wrote: »So is there any significant degree of consensus yet on whether Nords are A-OK or in need of a little help?
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.
@Priyasekarssk
Pointing out that a race has the worst passives on paper is a L2P issue? Really? Well I have learned to play enough that in every imaginable scenario in this game, you can objectively do better than a Nord with another race. I am not saying the difference is miles apart, but if you are looking to min/max, nord is NEVER the answer, period. Also, Imperial is a much stronger race than nord. Better damage, better stats, and frankly, better survival (due to the better stats and because the nord mitigation passive is a joke). Also, I didnt make the thread, I am just telling it like it is. The question was asked, and I gave my 2 cents. That's what forums are for...
Imperial has better survival than nord ? Nord with warden is a deadly combination.You will see many nords in PVP cyrodil , which includes top PRO PVP players. But hardly 1 imperial. Is there any secret that others dont understand ?
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »
You obviously never met these illusive and really stubborn Argonian Nightblades? No? Perhaps more common before Clever Alchemist was changed, but before that at the very least... Clever, potion cooldown glyph(s?), and every trashpot is sort of a tri-pot to them...
Many people tried it because of potions bonuses for NBs and argonians. Its not working or effective. Khajit & woodelf are a lot better.
Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »Nords are a solid race, the are just not BiS for any role doesn't mean they are bad in anyway.
High health/good stamina, pure damage reduction and health regen and the cold resistance has its uses at times not to mention they can't be chilled.
They are the tankiest race in the game but some people prefer better sustain or healing recieved
There is nothing solid about the nord race. It has objectively the worst passives in the game. The damage passive gets buried in the mitigation formula and doesn't amount to nearly that much at the end of the equation.
The only thing they are arguably good at on paper is in fact tanking, but they are not as good as Argonian or Imperial. Even then, it's hard to say they are in third place because at that point, I think you are better off going with a pure DPS race.
Unless we are talking about RP drinking games with skyrim fanboys, nords just arent good for much of anything, unfortunatly.
Nords are fine. A lot fine in PVP. Its L2P issue. How about exchanging nords for imperial passives ? Nord race in the game is mythical creation. Dont relate to real world. Only imperials are under performing now. Rest all races are fine. Please dont make irrelevant threads like these ,when its already debated multiple times.
@Priyasekarssk
Pointing out that a race has the worst passives on paper is a L2P issue? Really? Well I have learned to play enough that in every imaginable scenario in this game, you can objectively do better than a Nord with another race. I am not saying the difference is miles apart, but if you are looking to min/max, nord is NEVER the answer, period. Also, Imperial is a much stronger race than nord. Better damage, better stats, and frankly, better survival (due to the better stats and because the nord mitigation passive is a joke). Also, I didnt make the thread, I am just telling it like it is. The question was asked, and I gave my 2 cents. That's what forums are for...
Imperial has better survival than nord ? Nord with warden is a deadly combination.You will see many nords in PVP cyrodil , which includes top PRO PVP players. But hardly 1 imperial. Is there any secret that others dont understand ?
Of course there are more nords than Imperial. Imperial is behind a paywall and every skyrim fanboy wants to play a Nord. Also, a warden can be deadly with any race in the right hands, it is one of the strongest PVP classes in the game right now, as they have ridiculous access to major minor buffs, and they have amazing burst. That doesnt make nord powerful. Imperials get boosts to the same stats as Nord, they just get more of them. The damage reduction passive with nord is a garbage passive. If it was multiplicative, it might be worth something, but its additive and results in far less mitigation than the tool tip would suggest. In any content I can think of, Imperial is a better choice than nord.