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PTS Update 18 - Unofficial Feedback Thread for Summerset Lore
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Although much has already been said about the visual appearance of Summerset in other places, I thought specific issues deserved their own little feedback thread in the PTS forum.
If anyone has found something interesting, curious or objectionable, please post it here!
1. Reman's Plaza in Alinor: What's up with that? Yes, Summerset has been part of the Reman Empire (seemingly mainly just by paying their taxes and get the meddling humans to stay out of their homeland), but it's a whole other thing to name the main plaza in your capital after a foreign conqueror, a man of all races. This deserves at least an explanation, but I have not found anything in lore books or dialogs.
2. Plaza of the Eight in Shimmerene: The "Eight" are pretty much an Imperial invention. Are we to believe that the Altmer also adopted this practice from the Reman Empire? The in-game lorebook Varieties of Faith in Tamriel: The High Elves states:
3. Shrine to Auriel in Alinor: This shrine is located in the Temple of the Divines, and looks the same as the shrines to Akatosh everywhere else in the game. While there is also a shrine to Auriel in Elden Root that looks like this, that instance might be forgiven because according to Varieties of Faith, Auriel is refered to as Time Dragon in Valenwood.
For Summerset, however, this would have been a good time and appropriate to create a unique shrine for Auriel. The dragon symbology does not fit the Altmer, as they do no associate Auriel with dragons or use dragon motifs anywhere else; the best example of a shrine to Auriel comes from Skyrim: Dragonborn's Snow Elves, as you already used Auriel's statue from that expansion as a reference for the statue in the Shimmerene Monastery.
Overall, this makes Altmer religion look like a disappointing copy-paste from Imperial conventions. As far as I can tell, no new lorebooks on the matter have been added anywhere, either.
Indeed, there does not seem to be anything of note on the whole island that appears uniquely Altmeri (obviously there are some references in dialogs, e.g. arranged marriages). Whole cities could be transplanted into High Rock or Cyrodiil without much of an issue.
Even the Varlines, a concept of magical telecommunication and energy distribution spanning the island, which appeared in a datamined earlier concept for Summerset, has been completely axed.
Goblin-slavery has been similarly removed from Altmeri society, although it apparently makes a comeback in later eras, as it is referenced in the games of the main series.
Thus, Summerset's biggest issues are what isn't there. What we did get is generally fine.
If anyone has found something interesting, curious or objectionable, please post it here!
1. Reman's Plaza in Alinor: What's up with that? Yes, Summerset has been part of the Reman Empire (seemingly mainly just by paying their taxes and get the meddling humans to stay out of their homeland), but it's a whole other thing to name the main plaza in your capital after a foreign conqueror, a man of all races. This deserves at least an explanation, but I have not found anything in lore books or dialogs.
2. Plaza of the Eight in Shimmerene: The "Eight" are pretty much an Imperial invention. Are we to believe that the Altmer also adopted this practice from the Reman Empire? The in-game lorebook Varieties of Faith in Tamriel: The High Elves states:
So, what happened?The Eight (though few Altmer outside the Empire accept the limitation of Divines to eight)
3. Shrine to Auriel in Alinor: This shrine is located in the Temple of the Divines, and looks the same as the shrines to Akatosh everywhere else in the game. While there is also a shrine to Auriel in Elden Root that looks like this, that instance might be forgiven because according to Varieties of Faith, Auriel is refered to as Time Dragon in Valenwood.
For Summerset, however, this would have been a good time and appropriate to create a unique shrine for Auriel. The dragon symbology does not fit the Altmer, as they do no associate Auriel with dragons or use dragon motifs anywhere else; the best example of a shrine to Auriel comes from Skyrim: Dragonborn's Snow Elves, as you already used Auriel's statue from that expansion as a reference for the statue in the Shimmerene Monastery.
Overall, this makes Altmer religion look like a disappointing copy-paste from Imperial conventions. As far as I can tell, no new lorebooks on the matter have been added anywhere, either.
Indeed, there does not seem to be anything of note on the whole island that appears uniquely Altmeri (obviously there are some references in dialogs, e.g. arranged marriages). Whole cities could be transplanted into High Rock or Cyrodiil without much of an issue.
Even the Varlines, a concept of magical telecommunication and energy distribution spanning the island, which appeared in a datamined earlier concept for Summerset, has been completely axed.
Goblin-slavery has been similarly removed from Altmeri society, although it apparently makes a comeback in later eras, as it is referenced in the games of the main series.
Thus, Summerset's biggest issues are what isn't there. What we did get is generally fine.
Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.
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✭honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already0 -
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✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC3 -
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✭SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
nothing in eso matches up with the other elder scrolls lore0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
There are shrines to Mara and Stendarr in the Temple of the Divines as well. I don't have a huge problem with those looking the same as in, say, Wayrest, but if they could do something unique for those too that would be great.DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
nothing in eso matches up with the other elder scrolls lore
Yes it does. Please don't derail the thread.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
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✭SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
There are shrines to Mara and Stendarr in the Temple of the Divines as well. I don't have a huge problem with those looking the same as in, say, Wayrest, but if they could do something unique for those too that would be great.DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
nothing in eso matches up with the other elder scrolls lore
Yes it does. Please don't derail the thread.
not derailing the thread were talking about lore im talking about lore and no alot of eso doesnt match up with other elder scrolls lore. alot of what weve seen doesnt match with what es3 has said about vardenfell. the wars didnt match up either with the lore cause the septims should be in power right now. theres alot of things missing in eso and holes in the lore.0 -
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✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
There are shrines to Mara and Stendarr in the Temple of the Divines as well. I don't have a huge problem with those looking the same as in, say, Wayrest, but if they could do something unique for those too that would be great.DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
nothing in eso matches up with the other elder scrolls lore
Yes it does. Please don't derail the thread.
not derailing the thread were talking about lore im talking about lore and no alot of eso doesnt match up with other elder scrolls lore. alot of what weve seen doesnt match with what es3 has said about vardenfell. the wars didnt match up either with the lore cause the septims should be in power right now. theres alot of things missing in eso and holes in the lore.
That. Right there. That's how I know for a fact you don't know what you're talking about.
The septims come to power at the end of the 2nd Era, when Tiber Septim becomes emperor. The whole 3rd and 4th eras are both septims, but this is the middle of the 2nd era, where tons of history was lost. The Septims haven't even been born yet. Which you'd know if you actually knew about lore. Vvardenfell doesn't have ash-fallen lands bc Dagoth Ur hasn't taken the heart from the Tribunal, and isn't plotting (yet) to become a god.PC - NACP 1125
Veric Blackwood - Breton Magsorc DC
Xhiak-Qua'cthurus - Argonian Frost Warden EP
Kujata-qa - Khajiit Magplar AD
Suunleth-dar - Khajiit Stamblade AD
Teldryn Antharys - Dunmer Flame DK EP
Strikes-With-Venom - Argonian Poison DK EP
Rur'san-ra - Khajiit WW Stamsorc AD
Ilianos Solinar - Altmer Stamplar AD
Iscah Silver-Heart - Reachman Magden DC3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
nothing in eso matches up with the other elder scrolls lore
Don't derail the thread, lore is important to many of us2 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭FWIW I've found several pickpocketing/thievery treasures that reference goblins, like the musk that can wake you up or knock you out.
For a society that's so interested in history & geneaology, I was surprised how many ruins are around the island. I'd have thought they'd be preserved or updated somehow (adaptive reuse! ;p ), instead of left to crumble. Is there a lore book or quest chain I've missed that explains/alludes to the reasons?
(I have various thoughts about island's overall aesthetic, but I'm not sure they belong here? tl;dr I expected an uncanny valley of Imperial/Breton & Ayleid zones, instead it's more Auridon with some lovely-but-generic melding of Imperial & Ayleid architecture.)CP 750+
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✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
There are shrines to Mara and Stendarr in the Temple of the Divines as well. I don't have a huge problem with those looking the same as in, say, Wayrest, but if they could do something unique for those too that would be great.DuskMarine wrote: »SilverIce58 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »honestly who cares about lore in this game theres alot of stuff that has seemingly broken the elder scrolls lore already
Why comment if you don't care about the lore? Lots of people care. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.
As for the OP, I agree. Auri-el should have a completely different shrine than the time dragon. I'm not sure if there are shrines to the other gods, but I'd love to see shrines to Pynaster and Syrabane.
nothing in eso matches up with the other elder scrolls lore
Yes it does. Please don't derail the thread.
not derailing the thread were talking about lore im talking about lore and no alot of eso doesnt match up with other elder scrolls lore. alot of what weve seen doesnt match with what es3 has said about vardenfell. the wars didnt match up either with the lore cause the septims should be in power right now. theres alot of things missing in eso and holes in the lore.
This entire paragraph shows you don't know *** about loreEdited by Aliyavana on April 25, 2018 6:40PM2