Serious question regarding faction fights Vivec PC NA

incognito222 · April 2018

Good Day Everyone,

Would like to ask (and hopefully get honest answers) regarding Vivec PVP campaign on PC NA. No troll answers or things like “because we hate elves”.
Would really appreciate a healthy, civilized and non-toxic discussion in the hope for improved campaign balance in future for all players.

Would appreciate feedback from players who have PVP toons on multiple alliances to hopefully get a more neutral perspective on the matter.

Been noticing for roughly more than one year (give or take) that AD has rarely won a campaign not due to lack of trying, but it feels as if AD is the target of choice for EP and DC. Noticed that the large organized fights are more often than not (if not most of the time) down South in AD territory. EP and DC push into AD’s territory much more frequently rather than to each other’s territory. Why is this so ?

Is it because many of AD players are casual players and easy to farm AP from for organized and highly skilled PVP groups from DC and EP? Would it not be more exciting to test your skills against equally skilled and organized groups instead of going after more casual players?

Is it because Cropsford and Vlastarus are strategic staging points for assault into AD territory hence AD’s resources and back keeps are continuously farmed? This happens even when AD is in last position and left far behind in scoring in previous campaigns.

Or is it because players do not care about campaign scoring and are after easy AP farming (presumably AD is easy to farm due to lots of casual players).

Please do not get me wrong, I HAVE seen EP and DC have a go at each other but most of the time it is only between Bleakers, Dragonclaw and Chalman, not so much (or often) as to have big battles involving multiple full raid groups into each other’s territories.

Instances whereby EP and DC simultaneously push into AD territory and cooperate are not unheard of and have been witnessed repeatedly. Probably players of the same guild with toons on seperate factions.

Today was another case which raised eyebrows for me, whereby I soloed a resource near a DC home keep before eval and a handsome EP killed me to prevent the resource being taken (other two resources around the keep were blue). Surprisingly, this dashing EP fellow decided to leave the resource after killing me without taking it (allowing it to remain blue), leading me to think that this EP player is helping DC maintain score lead. There are numerous other examples of ‘suspicious activity’ in the past which I cannot reiterate individually and admittedly, the players are ultimately at fault and not the faction. Ganging up on a single faction could happen to either side but in this case, why has it been AD for many months now ?

Please provide constructive feedback regarding the above and if my assesment is inaccurate or mistaken, point out where they are so. The above sentiment is shared amongst many AD players and if you would like to confirm, please do come over and play for the AD side consistently for at least a month and experience for yourself.

Thank you beforehand and please remember, we are all here to have fun. So let’s help each other build a fair environment where we can all play competitively and enjoy the game together regardless of faction. Gamers unite !

VaranisArano · April 2018

Its very simple.

Everyone believes that their faction is getting ganged up on by the other two factions.

When my faction and one enemy faction attack the same alliance, we aren't cooperating. Its just that focusing one alliance is what's best for us right now because of the score, what the other faction members are doing, whos weaker or stronger right now, who has the scrolls, etc. Its not cooperation, its strategery for the benefit of my own faction. We're using what the enemy of our enemy is doing to further our plans for our own sake.

When the other two factions gang up to focus us, its Team Green/Purple/Orange, and they should be ashamed.

VixxVexx · April 2018

IMO it has to do with the layout of the map and general geography. AD doesn't have as many mountains as the other two factions, EP having the most. Also, every side has 3 enterances to invade (gates a bridges) but you can't cross the mountains whereas you can swim across some narrow parts inbetween the bridges.

The positioning of the towns certainly doesn't help AD because EP and DC can just respawn there and take the backfield easily.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Also, you say you've seen EP and DC go at it around Bleakers, Chalman, Dragonclaw as if the Aleswell-Bleakers-Chalman farm isn't exactly the same as the BRK-Sen-Alessia corridor. From the perspective of a staunch EP player on PC/NA Vivec I can always find fights one of those two places.

Fight AD: BRK-Sej-Alessia
Fight DC: Chalman-Bleakers-Aleswell

If we aren't fighting there, then EP is pushed back to the tri-keeps, probably by both AD and DC. See what I mean about everyone thinking the other two factions ganging up on the other? This happens organically. I don't think AD and DC coordinate it. I do think they both see a weakness sometimes and both rush to exploit an EP weakness -doing what's best for their faction. Sucks to be EP when that happens, but its not actually Team Green.

Thogard · April 2018

incognito222 wrote: »

Good Day Everyone,

Would like to ask (and hopefully get honest answers) regarding Vivec PVP campaign on PC NA. No troll answers or things like “because we hate elves”.
Would really appreciate a healthy, civilized and non-toxic discussion in the hope for improved campaign balance in future for all players.

Would appreciate feedback from players who have PVP toons on multiple alliances to hopefully get a more neutral perspective on the matter.

Been noticing for roughly more than one year (give or take) that AD has rarely won a campaign not due to lack of trying, but it feels as if AD is the target of choice for EP and DC. Noticed that the large organized fights are more often than not (if not most of the time) down South in AD territory. EP and DC push into AD’s territory much more frequently rather than to each other’s territory. Why is this so ?

Is it because many of AD players are casual players and easy to farm AP from for organized and highly skilled PVP groups from DC and EP? Would it not be more exciting to test your skills against equally skilled and organized groups instead of going after more casual players?

Is it because Cropsford and Vlastarus are strategic staging points for assault into AD territory hence AD’s resources and back keeps are continuously farmed? This happens even when AD is in last position and left far behind in scoring in previous campaigns.

Or is it because players do not care about campaign scoring and are after easy AP farming (presumably AD is easy to farm due to lots of casual players).

Please do not get me wrong, I HAVE seen EP and DC have a go at each other but most of the time it is only between Bleakers, Dragonclaw and Chalman, not so much (or often) as to have big battles involving multiple full raid groups into each other’s territories.

Instances whereby EP and DC simultaneously push into AD territory and cooperate are not unheard of and have been witnessed repeatedly. Probably players of the same guild with toons on seperate factions.

Today was another case which raised eyebrows for me, whereby I soloed a resource near a DC home keep before eval and a handsome EP killed me to prevent the resource being taken (other two resources around the keep were blue). Surprisingly, this dashing EP fellow decided to leave the resource after killing me without taking it (allowing it to remain blue), leading me to think that this EP player is helping DC maintain score lead. There are numerous other examples of ‘suspicious activity’ in the past which I cannot reiterate individually and admittedly, the players are ultimately at fault and not the faction. Ganging up on a single faction could happen to either side but in this case, why has it been AD for many months now ?

Please provide constructive feedback regarding the above and if my assesment is inaccurate or mistaken, point out where they are so. The above sentiment is shared amongst many AD players and if you would like to confirm, please do come over and play for the AD side consistently for at least a month and experience for yourself.

Thank you beforehand and please remember, we are all here to have fun. So let’s help each other build a fair environment where we can all play competitively and enjoy the game together regardless of faction. Gamers unite !

Was that player me? (Stamden)

DC payed me to defend their tower for them since they were busy raiding into AD territory.

Just kidding. I killed a dude and then didn’t flip a resource because I was on my way to IC and didn’t want to wait around for the flags to flip .

incognito222 · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Also, you say you've seen EP and DC go at it around Bleakers, Chalman, Dragonclaw as if the Aleswell-Bleakers-Chalman farm isn't exactly the same as the BRK-Sen-Alessia corridor. From the perspective of a staunch EP player on PC/NA Vivec I can always find fights one of those two places.

Fight AD: BRK-Sej-Alessia
Fight DC: Chalman-Bleakers-Aleswell

If we aren't fighting there, then EP is pushed back to the tri-keeps, probably by both AD and DC. See what I mean about everyone thinking the other two factions ganging up on the other? This happens organically. I don't think AD and DC coordinate it. I do think they both see a weakness sometimes and both rush to exploit an EP weakness -doing what's best for their faction. Sucks to be EP when that happens, but its not actually Team Green.

I agree with you on the most part and thank you for your insight, its just that incursions happen much more frequently into AD territory even though AD is losing by a wide margin in campaign scoring as was the case in previous campaigns for many months now. I rarely see EP/DC pushing each other to their innermost keeps and camping resources near those keeps, whereas they do so with AD daily.

I'm starting to think its a combination of easy spawn points at Vlast and Crops, as well as easy AP for organised skilled player groups farming casuals over and over again.

incognito222 · April 2018

"Was that player me? (Stamden)

DC payed me to defend their tower for them since they were busy raiding into AD territory.

Just kidding. I killed a dude and then didn’t flip a resource because I was on my way to IC and didn’t want to wait around for the flags to flip . "

Unfortunately no, it was a flamboyant EP DK and the resource was as far as you can be from the nearest entrance to IC (deep inside DC territory).

kyle.wilson · April 2018

You missed Saturday when we had a DC and EP ball groups taking turns bombing an AD pug group.
The 2 bomb groups were actively avoiding each other. Many of those players state they are looking for "competitive fights" yet I only seem to see them bombing pug groups.

Chaos2088 · April 2018

I am guessing you are on NA server, as AD normally wins Vivec on EU. (Not all the time before people spew venom at me) lol

Like a few people above me said, each alliance thinks the other two are ganging up on them. All a matter of perspective.

Also it is frustrating and does put doubt when you come across an enemy group that is either pre-made or just work really well together and you joined a pug group that gets wiped all the time. Just the way it is sometimes.

incognito222 · April 2018

kyle.wilson wrote: »

You missed Saturday when we had a DC and EP ball groups taking turns bombing an AD pug group.
The 2 bomb groups were actively avoiding each other. Many of those players state they are looking for "competitive fights" yet I only seem to see them bombing pug groups.

Unfortunately, I've seen cases like this happen again and again over the years. It could possibly be that they're from the same guild on separate factions targeting a specific faction for easy AP farming.

Problem is, its demoralising for the targeted faction especially since this has happened for many months now. Would be a pity if players left the game and we end up playing a dead map with not much action anywhere. Been here since Beta and believe me guys, a dead PVP map benefits no one regardless of faction. Hence, the thread was started to address this issue so we can all look forward to many years of fun ahead of us in ESO.

Thogard · April 2018

kyle.wilson wrote: »

You missed Saturday when we had a DC and EP ball groups taking turns bombing an AD pug group.
The 2 bomb groups were actively avoiding each other. Many of those players state they are looking for "competitive fights" yet I only seem to see them bombing pug groups.

can't have a competitve fight next to a zerg.

If my EP 4man is going to fight a DC 4man, we'll do it somewhere that won't include 20 AD stamblades spamming snipe on us as soon as we engage.

If we fight each other next to a zerg, the zerg definitely wins.

If we each hit the zerg from different sides, we can wipe the zerg and THEN fight each other without adds. It increases our survivability significantly. THe zergs are far less mobile than the small scale groups.

It's not collusion. It's just using common sense.

kyle.wilson · April 2018

Thogard wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

You missed Saturday when we had a DC and EP ball groups taking turns bombing an AD pug group.
The 2 bomb groups were actively avoiding each other. Many of those players state they are looking for "competitive fights" yet I only seem to see them bombing pug groups.

can't have a competitve fight next to a zerg.

If my EP 4man is going to fight a DC 4man, we'll do it somewhere that won't include 20 AD stamblades spamming snipe on us as soon as we engage.

If we fight each other next to a zerg, the zerg definitely wins.

If we each hit the zerg from different sides, we can wipe the zerg and THEN fight each other without adds. It increases our survivability significantly. THe zergs are far less mobile than the small scale groups.

It's not collusion. It's just using common sense.

Actually it was close to full groups of DC and EP. (Definitely not the same guild.) With maybe 12 AD.

Btw, most of the times I've ran into you lately; I've been solo on a resource and I get hit by 4 dawnbreakers out the gate.

Thogard · April 2018

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

You missed Saturday when we had a DC and EP ball groups taking turns bombing an AD pug group.
The 2 bomb groups were actively avoiding each other. Many of those players state they are looking for "competitive fights" yet I only seem to see them bombing pug groups.

can't have a competitve fight next to a zerg.

If my EP 4man is going to fight a DC 4man, we'll do it somewhere that won't include 20 AD stamblades spamming snipe on us as soon as we engage.

If we fight each other next to a zerg, the zerg definitely wins.

If we each hit the zerg from different sides, we can wipe the zerg and THEN fight each other without adds. It increases our survivability significantly. THe zergs are far less mobile than the small scale groups.

It's not collusion. It's just using common sense.

Actually it was close to full groups of DC and EP. (Definitely not the same guild.) With maybe 12 AD.

Btw, most of the times I've ran into you lately; I've been solo on a resource and I get hit by 4 dawnbreakers out the gate.

Being solo and being alone are two different things. Most zergling are solo. If you don’t want us to kill you and you have no intention of adding on to our fights when your side outnumbers us, message me. Every real soloer that respects our fights gets respect from us in return.

Unless you’re a nightblade. Nightblades deserve it

maltinkilic · April 2018

It seems AD sucks at PC NA. Here (PC EU) we (AD) rule. Because we have BIG BOSS THE DARK PHOENIX.

VaranisArano · April 2018

incognito222 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Also, you say you've seen EP and DC go at it around Bleakers, Chalman, Dragonclaw as if the Aleswell-Bleakers-Chalman farm isn't exactly the same as the BRK-Sen-Alessia corridor. From the perspective of a staunch EP player on PC/NA Vivec I can always find fights one of those two places.

Fight AD: BRK-Sej-Alessia
Fight DC: Chalman-Bleakers-Aleswell

If we aren't fighting there, then EP is pushed back to the tri-keeps, probably by both AD and DC. See what I mean about everyone thinking the other two factions ganging up on the other? This happens organically. I don't think AD and DC coordinate it. I do think they both see a weakness sometimes and both rush to exploit an EP weakness -doing what's best for their faction. Sucks to be EP when that happens, but its not actually Team Green.

I agree with you on the most part and thank you for your insight, its just that incursions happen much more frequently into AD territory even though AD is losing by a wide margin in campaign scoring as was the case in previous campaigns for many months now. I rarely see EP/DC pushing each other to their innermost keeps and camping resources near those keeps, whereas they do so with AD daily.

I'm starting to think its a combination of easy spawn points at Vlast and Crops, as well as easy AP for organised skilled player groups farming casuals over and over again.

I attribute this to potato players. The way it works is this: there's always a segment of players who want easier fights. They'll fight both teams but focus on the weaker of the two. The faction's guilds, on the other hand, usually end up focusing the stronger enemy because if they don't they'll lose the map.

If AD is weaker than DC at the moment, you fight EP's PUGs.
If AD is stronger than DC at the moment, you fight EP guilds.

Mr_Nobody · April 2018

Instances of AD ourzerging and pvdooring our keeps and castles are way more often than both of us going for AD, even if it happens to be so, there is still 50-100 people fighting at Bleakers/Chal.

You just simply cannot deny that. If your points did not come from PvDooring the entire map during early hours, the story may be different. Thats why 3-way faction PvP exists and its the perfect example how it works.

biminirwb17_ESO · April 2018

A couple of EP "elite" groups wont fight in the chalman-aleswell corridor (its for pugs) so they ride to nickel/ash/brindle area to fight AD and DC at the same time.

Maybe with the new D tick mechanism they may help their buddies defend, but I doubt it.

Mannix1958 · April 2018

I play at various times on NA Vivec and I see no preference for yellow over blue. There are swings in population at times that greatly affect the campaign. Perhaps you play more often at time when your faction is lower pop? Honestly I find our faction fighting either faction depending on the map at that time. Like many have said I echo the notion that it always seems the other two are working together against us.

Having said all that...there was a time I recall back in the early days (So like 2-3 years ago)....where a small group I was in got the business good from what felt like most of the rest of EP for taking resources from a faction that we had a truce with and engaging with them. We knew nothing of said agreement. Some were quite nasty about it...we felt war is hell and did our thing. So its not to say that cooperation doesn't occur...but war can get messy at times.

IndianaGeoff · April 2018

If you get double zerged, just go do something else. Always the problem in games unless there is a killer mechanic to fight as the underdog. But those are also often gamed.

Own · April 2018

Somehow I always end up with an even split. I don't try to do it either. I do dislike AD the most. A long time ago they had the Saltiest players..

badmojo · April 2018

From the perspective of a loyal DC player, whenever I have seen EP player also at an AD keep it usually means one of us is about to try and steal the capture once the wall/door goes down.

There is also a constant stream of AD hitting Ash, Nikel, or Brindle. Sometimes if we defend those objectives too well the AD will push up and flag Warden, Rayles or Glade. All of usually happens while EP is in the lead points wise.

Point being, as a DC player I would love to ignore AD and focus on EP, but any time we turn our backs to AD we start losing ground to them. I feel like ADs desire to always capture Nikel keeps DC players wanting to capture Roebeck, if only for a bit of a buffer so we can go fight EP for Bleakers and Chal while AD inevitably take back Roe and Nikel, forcing us to defend Ash and push them back to Roe all over again. I cant remember the last time I was any deeper into AD territory than Roebeck. I know DC pushes in some days, but I bet those are mostly groups doing their own thing while EP takes everything from us up north.

Sometimes I ask in zone chat why so many people are down south while EP is in first place and the answer is often because AD keep attacking. If we ignored it, we would end up being in last place. But you AD still wouldnt be in first.

Priyasekarssk · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its very simple.

Everyone believes that their faction is getting ganged up on by the other two factions.

When my faction and one enemy faction attack the same alliance, we aren't cooperating. Its just that focusing one alliance is what's best for us right now because of the score, what the other faction members are doing, whos weaker or stronger right now, who has the scrolls, etc. Its not cooperation, its strategery for the benefit of my own faction. We're using what the enemy of our enemy is doing to further our plans for our own sake.

When the other two factions gang up to focus us, its Team Green/Purple/Orange, and they should be ashamed.

I play in all 3 alliances. I can say AD fights on multiple fronts either by choice or forced. I am not sure AD chooses that ways because of multiple guilds and never unite.

When alessia has to be defended, pug groups go for glade. In the end both will be lost and open multiple front wars. Its often outnumbered fights in alessia. EP will be around 30+ against 10 AD. In the end , home keep bonus will be lost.

Winning a war totally depends how many keeps, resources & scrolls alliance control. Not on how many players killed. DC & EP knows this. AD dont. I dont think AD plays for winning the campaign atleast most are not. No organization either.

AD has many show off self proclaimed idiots and noobs unlike EP & DC. They dont know how to win a campaign or even understand campaign objectives. These nubs go on and running around the tree will win them campaign rather capturing keeps. EP and DC players play for objectives. Many AD players are not.They are just for AP farming or other self reasons. They just fill population bar , rather for campaign. AD has to blame these solo noobs who self proclaimed pros , first for losing campaign.

EP has so many pugs and low bies, but still they are winning because its organized group and they know what their objectives. AD is the puggest alliance of all 3 and easy to farm. Because there is no organization within group. AD make themselves easy target and outnumbered fights.

OP has some points to consider. I do see some occasions EP is helping DC, even forward camps close to each other. So far its isolated instances. I dont think it alter campaign in major way.

AD has to blamed mainly for this situation. Opening war on multiple fronts , rather united and defend home keep.

In terms of best faction, EP comes on top by very huge margin especially for new bies ,low bies or even fellow players. Their faction leaders really care about new bies and low bies, unlike DC or AD and not belittle or showing elitism. One time recently, one top EP player just safeguard bruma,for a low bie daily. In fact , that low bie was never met before with that top EP player . I pretty sure they no dont know each other, just met on battle field. He just safeguarded bruma until some low bies completes the daily lol. He just stand in the flag.

Also , EP leaders so loyal to EP. I wonder why , they take the game so serious ?

No wonder EP has attracted so many new players nowadays. Once upon a time when race locked with alliance, EP has huge disadvantage. Which AD has big advantage since they have almeter, khajit & bosmer races. That initial boost is carried along this many days in many outnumbered situations for AD.

Since alliance unlocked for all races, its only a matter of time EP rules all campaign or at-least most , once their new toons and low bies leveled up and huge organized population.

Priyasekarssk · April 2018

incognito222 wrote: »

Good Day Everyone,

Would like to ask (and hopefully get honest answers) regarding Vivec PVP campaign on PC NA. No troll answers or things like “because we hate elves”.
Would really appreciate a healthy, civilized and non-toxic discussion in the hope for improved campaign balance in future for all players.

Would appreciate feedback from players who have PVP toons on multiple alliances to hopefully get a more neutral perspective on the matter.

Been noticing for roughly more than one year (give or take) that AD has rarely won a campaign not due to lack of trying, but it feels as if AD is the target of choice for EP and DC. Noticed that the large organized fights are more often than not (if not most of the time) down South in AD territory. EP and DC push into AD’s territory much more frequently rather than to each other’s territory. Why is this so ?

Is it because many of AD players are casual players and easy to farm AP from for organized and highly skilled PVP groups from DC and EP? Would it not be more exciting to test your skills against equally skilled and organized groups instead of going after more casual players?

Is it because Cropsford and Vlastarus are strategic staging points for assault into AD territory hence AD’s resources and back keeps are continuously farmed? This happens even when AD is in last position and left far behind in scoring in previous campaigns.

Or is it because players do not care about campaign scoring and are after easy AP farming (presumably AD is easy to farm due to lots of casual players).

Please do not get me wrong, I HAVE seen EP and DC have a go at each other but most of the time it is only between Bleakers, Dragonclaw and Chalman, not so much (or often) as to have big battles involving multiple full raid groups into each other’s territories.

Instances whereby EP and DC simultaneously push into AD territory and cooperate are not unheard of and have been witnessed repeatedly. Probably players of the same guild with toons on seperate factions.

Today was another case which raised eyebrows for me, whereby I soloed a resource near a DC home keep before eval and a handsome EP killed me to prevent the resource being taken (other two resources around the keep were blue). Surprisingly, this dashing EP fellow decided to leave the resource after killing me without taking it (allowing it to remain blue), leading me to think that this EP player is helping DC maintain score lead. There are numerous other examples of ‘suspicious activity’ in the past which I cannot reiterate individually and admittedly, the players are ultimately at fault and not the faction. Ganging up on a single faction could happen to either side but in this case, why has it been AD for many months now ?

Please provide constructive feedback regarding the above and if my assesment is inaccurate or mistaken, point out where they are so. The above sentiment is shared amongst many AD players and if you would like to confirm, please do come over and play for the AD side consistently for at least a month and experience for yourself.

Thank you beforehand and please remember, we are all here to have fun. So let’s help each other build a fair environment where we can all play competitively and enjoy the game together regardless of faction. Gamers unite !

AD themselves has to be blamed for this. Please read my other post in this thread. That is what I observed and honest opinion between the 3 alliances.

Reverb · April 2018

Each of us only sees the battles we're a part of, that's not the whole picture. It's a three faction war, everybody feels ganged up on by the other two sides, and everyone feels pressure to hold two fronts.

Also, no one here can speak for their faction as a whole. There will always be players and groups that go against the common objective, but unless AD is in the lead or has Emp, most DC would be content to leave you alone and fight EP. But if we don't keep pressure on Nik, AD will take Ash and keep pushing North. We're not just going to let that happen.

Priyasekarssk · April 2018

Reverb wrote: »

Each of us only sees the battles we're a part of, that's not the whole picture. It's a three faction war, everybody feels ganged up on by the other two sides, and everyone feels pressure to hold two fronts.

Also, no one here can speak for their faction as a whole. There will always be players and groups that go against the common objective, but unless AD is in the lead or has Emp, most DC would be content to leave you alone and fight EP. But if we don't keep pressure on Nik, AD will take Ash and keep pushing North. We're not just going to let that happen.

AD wants nikel for home keep, after all nikel belongs to AD. Whatever you are telling is not possible. AD cant take ASH easily because of choke points. Its not the case for AD when DC holding nikel. Again nikel is AD outpost. Sej is for EP. Bleaker for DC. Please understand the map.

Your argument is not even valid.

Goshua · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its very simple.

Everyone believes that their faction is getting ganged up on by the other two factions.

When my faction and one enemy faction attack the same alliance, we aren't cooperating. Its just that focusing one alliance is what's best for us right now because of the score, what the other faction members are doing, whos weaker or stronger right now, who has the scrolls, etc. Its not cooperation, its strategery for the benefit of my own faction. We're using what the enemy of our enemy is doing to further our plans for our own sake.

When the other two factions gang up to focus us, its Team Green/Purple/Orange, and they should be ashamed.

That's is all well and good but it has become a bit of a standard reply when the subject comes up.
It doesn't take a High Elf to look at the map and see that the extent some will go out of their way to get to AD or to a DC/AD fight, which is not driven by tactics or strategy but because its has the best AP potential.

josiahva · April 2018

Your problem is that you are playing on Vivec...try Sotha Sil....its AD zerg after AD zerg every day...take a resource there and AD inevitably responds with 10+ players trying to take it back. No-CP though I much prefer, its a lot more fun than CP campaigns.

Goshua · April 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Your problem is that you are playing on Vivec...try Sotha Sil....its AD zerg after AD zerg every day...take a resource there and AD inevitably responds with 10+ players trying to take it back. No-CP though I much prefer, its a lot more fun than CP campaigns.

ahem..that's normally because little power teams farm everyone until enough arrive to get rid of them. all factions.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Goshua wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its very simple.

Everyone believes that their faction is getting ganged up on by the other two factions.

When my faction and one enemy faction attack the same alliance, we aren't cooperating. Its just that focusing one alliance is what's best for us right now because of the score, what the other faction members are doing, whos weaker or stronger right now, who has the scrolls, etc. Its not cooperation, its strategery for the benefit of my own faction. We're using what the enemy of our enemy is doing to further our plans for our own sake.

When the other two factions gang up to focus us, its Team Green/Purple/Orange, and they should be ashamed.

That's is all well and good but it has become a bit of a standard reply when the subject comes up.
It doesn't take a High Elf to look at the map and see that the extent some will go out of their way to get to AD or to a DC/AD fight, which is not driven by tactics or strategy but because its has the best AP potential.

I figure the PUGs go fight whoever is weaker and the guilds go fight whoever is stronger.
So if AD is weaker at the moment than DC, EP PUGs go fight AD.
If AD is stronger at the moment than DC, EP guilds go fight AD.

Either way, you always fight EP, its just a difference of the A team or the B team, and the PUGs like to AP farm if they sense weakness.

Lylith · April 2018

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Instances of AD ourzerging and pvdooring our keeps and castles are way more often than both of us going for AD, even if it happens to be so, there is still 50-100 people fighting at Bleakers/Chal.

You just simply cannot deny that. If your points did not come from PvDooring the entire map during early hours, the story may be different. Thats why 3-way faction PvP exists and its the perfect example how it works.

but ep and dc never pvdoor anywhere, ever, and no one's ever seen a blue or red zerg.

that's some funny ***, right there.

btw, the only alliance with castles is ad.

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

incognito222 wrote: »

Good Day Everyone,

Would like to ask (and hopefully get honest answers) regarding Vivec PVP campaign on PC NA. No troll answers or things like “because we hate elves”.
Would really appreciate a healthy, civilized and non-toxic discussion in the hope for improved campaign balance in future for all players.

Simple answer is that sh(.)t runs downhill.