Sigtric wrote: »

Would Power Lash proc off of burning status be too OP? That seems to make more sense to me than off balance ever did.

I'd be down for that

ruumwolf wrote: »

I main a magdk and this will easily be the final nail in the coffin. I’m lucky that most of my guilds still have me in trials but this will wreck my sustain in 4 man content as well (I run a charged lightning staff to provide my own off balance). The 4 seconds that off balance is active could easily occur when I’m reapplying my numerous dots and be on cooldown when I get to whip, making me eat the full cost. You also have to realize we’re effectively losing lots of survivability with the changes as well. The heal from power lash is insane. We rely on off balance much differently than other classes and I really hope Zos realizes this and adjusts accordingly.

Another great point. Thank you. I totally overlooked the heal aspect. So yea, healing, damage, and sustain all nerfed because they pigieon holed the magdk into relying on off balance. Will probably be the final nail in the coffin for me too.

Sigtric wrote: »

Would Power Lash proc off of burning status be too OP? That seems to make more sense to me than off balance ever did.

That'd be pretty broken, seeing as Burning is up at a near to 100% uptime in a group. They'd have to put Power Lash on some sort of internal cooldown, or rebalance the skill. Lash is just far too overloaded when compared to Molten Whip. A free cost, bonus damage, heal over time spammable vs passive 100 WD/SD to only 3-4 skills?

Stamden wrote: »

Reason is simple, ZoS hates Mag DKs. It's been like this since launch.

I just wish they would add a class change feature if they are just going to continually butcher a class that is already in a terrible state.

Um no mag dks were gods for ages, were you not there with the vamp emp mag dks wiping out entire raids in the good old days?

I currently can't log into my magDK on PTS, because of the current bug where many people can't log onto their main toons. But on live currently, running double inferno and no backbar lightning wall cheese, and my own ele drain, I can hit nearly 40k on a 3mil skeleton. However, sustaining is rather difficult, and I have to do 1-2 heavy attacks per rotation, sacrificing 1-2 whips.

I am hearing that the off-balance immunity is not working as intended, and is allowing people to achieve high off-balance uptimes on target skeletons on the PTS. This is more than likely a bug, not intended, and will be fixed in a future PTS patch.

I'm going to reserve total judement until I can log into my magdk on PTS (hopefully later tonight if todays PTS patch works as intended). However, assuming the current model of 20-26% uptime of off-balance in a boss fight, in a trial, flame lash will not be sustainable, and magdks will be running out of magicka within 2 or so rotations. Hell, casting eruption on live takes 10% of my magicka pool, at over 40k.

One could argue that switching to molten whip could be a viable alternative. While the extra spell damage is pretty good on all our other flame abilities, it will also not be sustainable. In fact, sustain would be far worse than flame lash. Anyone that is in doubt, go log in with a magdk, run molten whip, and try and sustain on a 3mil dummy without running cost reduction jewelry, witchmothers, and cost reduction gear. You have to start doing heavy attacks in every single rotation (which is a dps loss, even with running molten armaments).

To the others arguing that magdk can run force pulse...thats just silly. Good luck being allowed to bring that toon in a decent raid group, where you're going to be pulling 30k dps with a magdk force pulse build, while sorcs and magblades are pulling 40k+.

The other problem is that since off-balance cooldown doesn't apply to other players (pvp), flame lash is currently over-performing in a pvp setting. See other posts about this in the PTS section.

TLDR: Molten Whip and Flame Lash are going to need some serious adjusting, both for pvp and pve. Being able to do endless amounts of free flame lashes on another person in pvp isn't going to fly, nor will running out of magicka after 2 rotations in a trial, regardless of which morph is used. Just to put things in perspective, in a static stack and burn fight, like valarial, on Live I have to do multiple heavy attacks just to sustain. This is with around 60% off-balance uptime, with all other magicka toons running lightning wall, and 4 stam dps consuming off-balance via heavy attacks. If that ~60% uptime falls to 20-26% uptime, which sounds like is the current intention with the PTS patch notes, magDK will be in SERIOUS trouble in the sustain department, and will be doing some of the lowest dps in a trial setting compared to their counterparts, both magic and stam.

Oh well, there goes my PVE build down the toilet. Can't say I'm surprised. It's becoming a tradition.

Now we just gotta wait and see what ability they'll give to another class and then make it better.

Or maybe they'll nerf something useful to make something less useful seem more appealing.

@Turelus - If this thread is going to stay active, can you please correct the spelling to "your" in the title? I can usually look past simple grammatical mistakes on these forums, but for some reason this particular one is like an arrow to the knee for me.

Stop the agony!

Voxicity wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Would Power Lash proc off of burning status be too OP? That seems to make more sense to me than off balance ever did.

This would be perfect

I always thought this should be the case considering it's a flame based class and skill...

the_Beard wrote: »

What about making it percentage-based, and based on the target burning? As in 60% chance to proc flame lash if the target is burning (which for dk is 80%+ uptime)

Not a bad trade IMO

My thought was since burning is 4 seconds, maybe 2 lashes per status

Rip pve magdk

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

every sorc/dk nerfs I take with arms wide-open...cuz you know nbs have their nerf in every single damn patch...so why should the other classes have it better? start nerfing im all for it! oh and stop the QQ.

Sound logic. My class gets nerfed so everyone else should be. Thank you for adding literally nothing to the thread. You do realize that most of the topic of conversation in here is PvE related. Last I checked, nightblades were doing extremely well in the PvE/Trials department, especially with the most recent buff to impale and killers blade, and merciless resolve / relentless focus. If I'm not mistaken, they are actually pulling the highest dps right now of all magicka classes, with sorcs not all that far behind. MagDks and Magplars aren't even being used in trials anymore by any semi-competitive group.

Feric51 wrote: »

@Turelus - If this thread is going to stay active, can you please correct the spelling to "your" in the title? I can usually look past simple grammatical mistakes on these forums, but for some reason this particular one is like an arrow to the knee for me.

Stop the agony!

Sorry for my bad grammar. Try to look past one more of you can.