Please rename Community Ambassadors into Developers Ambassadors.

Kneighbors · September 2017

This one is really pissing off. People who hate clowns like me will also hate "Community Ambassadors" because they are of the same character.

Have anyone ever seen "Community Ambassador" supporting players against developers? If yes please link. Because I can link a good hundred of CA replies supporting developers against players.

Is there even human behind these accounts? Because all I see is identical replies of "Don't worry, I'm sure developers working hard to fix this bug" (will always relate to 1+ year old bug), "The developers are not to blame, it's the players/guilds/bad weather/president who are responsible" "Everything gonna be ok"

Seriously, just rename the bots into "Developers Ambassadors", we are not in 14th century where prince was choosing elites to support him against peasants.

DRXHarbinger · September 2017

LOL YOU MAD BRUH!

They are actually quite vocal against zos, such as @MissBizz and @Turelus Both have been critical on several occasions.

But where it's warranted and right to do so.

I don't see why they should agree with everything just because you got ganked for 37 Tel Var or can't find friends to complete Vhof or Vmol or whatever.

They all play the game just like we all do, they all experience the same issues we all do, they don't get the special RNG that drops everything bis, they don't get unlimited resources in game... I guess the difference is...

they see the positives and come here to engage on both sides...Not like some who just use a forum as a place to rage and cry over pointless crap.

Oh and inb4 lock.

Ps if Quitting stuff please.

Insomnia rex · September 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

This one is really pissing off. People who hate clowns like me will also hate "Community Ambassadors" because they are of the same character.

Have anyone ever seen "Community Ambassador" supporting players against developers? If yes please link. Because I can link a good hundred of CA replies supporting developers against players.

Is there even human behind these accounts? Because all I see is identical replies of "Don't worry, I'm sure developers working hard to fix this bug" (will always relate to 1+ year old bug), "The developers are not to blame, it's the players/guilds/bad weather/president who are responsible" "Everything gonna be ok"

Seriously, just rename the bots into "Developers Ambassadors", we are not in 14th century where prince was choosing elites to support him against peasants.

Edit: Did i just take bait? I might be getting old.

supaskrub · September 2017

I see plenty of CA's putting points across for players and also acting as advisor on players reporting things, offering to help with reporting etc, infact around three months ago one CA even put a reasonable criticism across in support of myself and others who seem to randomly be affected by xbox to eso+ *** ups and wanting to know why people are not recompensed for loss of service.

CA's are chosen because of their activity, game knowledge and support over the years as well as their behaviour in the forums, One in particular is outspoken against Crown Crates, that CA even has their opinion on said crates in their own forum signature so if you think what you are suggesting is true then you seem to be missing the bigger picture.

Yarlenzey · September 2017

I really appreciate their input.

FoolishHuman · September 2017

Your problem is that you think there is a "community vs. developer" thing going on. This isn't a government, we are not subjects, ZOS is not "the man".
This is a business, if you don't like the service provided, then look for it somewhere else, it's a free market.

Yarlenzey · September 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

I see plenty of CA's putting points across for players and also acting as advisor on players reporting things, offering to help with reporting etc, infact around three months ago one CA even put a reasonable criticism across in support of myself and others who seem to randomly be affected by xbox to eso+ *** ups and wanting to know why people are not recompensed for loss of service.

CA's are chosen because of their activity, game knowledge and support over the years as well as their behaviour in the forums, One in particular is outspoken against Crown Crates, that CA even has their opinion on said crates in their own forum signature so if you think what you are suggesting is true then you seem to be missing the bigger picture.

My nomination for the next CA.

Curragraigue · September 2017

The title comes from them helping people using the forums not from them engaging in keyboard warrior forum war. They are all very helpful in that regard. As with every other player they are entitled to have an opinion about the game and developer and I have seen them express those opinions. While I don't always agree with them I still think they are doing a good job helping people.

Shout out to @MissBizz @Nestor @Turelus @SantieClaws who are the ones I see the most of on the forum

Kneighbors · September 2017

FoolishHuman wrote: »

Your problem is that you think there is a "community vs. developer" thing going on. This isn't a government, we are not subjects, ZOS is not "the man".
This is a business, if you don't like the service provided, then look for it somewhere else, it's a free market.

I see you as the next Community Ambassador. So it's wrong to complain. If you complain --> You don't like something --> Go look for it somewhere else. Either enjoy everything or leave. But no need to blame developers because this is business, baby. There's some great potential running within you, I hope ZoS will notice it.

Turelus · September 2017

I know I shouldn't really get involved but hey free posts and reaction points before the lock right?

All of my posts RMT/Cheating/Exploiting
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?discussionid=272833&search=Turelus

All of my posts re the bleakers farm
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?discussionid=320145&search=turelus

All of my actual posts (no way I am going through all that)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/profile/comments/1330821/Turelus

As I said in the other thread where you called us clowns. There is a difference between supporting the community whilst holding ZOS to account where it's due and supporting everyone who goes on the forums to whine about issues in a unconstructive manor.

Also our job isn't to sit and agree with everyone that ZOS is garbage, it's to help the community and players that need it, otherwise our opinions and posts are free to be whatever we like. I don't debate and debunk stupid posts to white knight ZOS, I do it because stupid posts annoy me.

Want to know all my issues with the game which I regularly tell ZOS?

Bot reporting is useless and needs a stream line.
Crown Store marketing is getting insulting.
Content which has exploits or bypass bugs are not fixed for months if ever.
PvP (Cyrodiil) needs some major love.
The UI for guild traders and the system as a whole needs an update.
Exploiters/Cheats are never punished in a meaningful way

I just don't run around screaming like child and throwing naughty words out or demanding developers be fired.

Also I'm still crying like a sad clown.

Edit: typos and bad grammar.

DreadKnight · September 2017

You guys need to understand the difference between Developers and the Publishers of this game. The Devs are Bethesda, the people that design, develop and program the game. The Publisher is ZOS, they are the ones that have the distribution rights, publish the game online and actually have the responsibility of the performance of the game. Albeit in the case of ESO, Bethesda is actually owned by ZOS, but it is still it's own company. Just FYI.

Kneighbors · September 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I know I shouldn't really get involved but hey free posts and reaction points before the lock right?

All of my posts RMT/Cheating/Exploiting
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?discussionid=272833&search=Turelus

All of my posts re the breakers farm
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?discussionid=320145&search=turelus

All of my actual posts (no way I am going through all that)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/profile/comments/1330821/Turelus

As I said in the other thread where you called us clowns. There is a difference between supporting the community and holding ZOS to account where it's due and supporting everyone who goes on the forums to whine about issues in a unconstructive manor.

Also our job isn't to sit and agree with everyone that ZOS is garbage, it's to help the community and players that need it, otherwise our opinions and posts are free to be whatever we like. I don't debate and debunk stupid posts to white knight ZOS, I do it because stupid posts annoy me.

Want to know all my issues with the game which I regularly tell ZOS?
Bot reporting is useless and needs a stream line.

Crown Store marketing is getting insulting.

Content which has exploits or bypass bugs are not fixed for months if ever.

PvP (Cyrodiil) needs some major love.

The UI for guild traders and the system as a whole needs an update.

Exploiters/Cheats are never punished in a meaningful way

I just don't run around screaming like child and throwing naughty words out or demanding developers be fired.

Also I'm still crying like a sad clown.

Waiting for reply from another Community Ambassador "Although I must agree on part of the issues I'm sure developers working hard to solve these problems" "Everything OK, life is good, enjoy ESO!"

Turelus · September 2017

DreadKnight wrote: »

You guys need to understand the difference between Developers and the Publishers of this game. The Devs are Bethesda, the people that design, develop and program the game. The Publisher is ZOS, they are the ones that have the distribution rights, publish the game online and actually have the responsibility of the performance of the game. Albeit in the case of ESO, Bethesda is actually owned by ZOS, but it is still it's own company. Just FYI.

Actually that's a little incorrect. Bethesda has no direct role in the creation of ESO. I believe they only work together on lore based issues.

Zenimax Online Studios (ZOS) are the developers and Zenimax Media are the publishers from my understanding. Both Bethesda and ZOS are companies under the Zenimax Media corp. Generally most consider Zenimax Media the greedy corporation pushing the passionate developers ZOS/Bethesda to do scummy things to make more money.

AzraelKrieg · September 2017

DreadKnight wrote: »

You guys need to understand the difference between Developers and the Publishers of this game. The Devs are Bethesda, the people that design, develop and program the game. The Publisher is ZOS, they are the ones that have the distribution rights, publish the game online and actually have the responsibility of the performance of the game. Albeit in the case of ESO, Bethesda is actually owned by ZOS, but it is still it's own company. Just FYI.

You've got it the wrong way around. ZOS are the developers, Bethesda is the publisher. Also, Bethesda is not owned by ZOS. Bethesda and Zenimax Online Studios are owned by Zenimax Media which was created by Bethesda to their parent company

Paulington · September 2017

If you fancy wasting your time, you can peruse my history where I am fairly critical of the combat in this game, along with a ton of things being broken before and after PTS.

Also, to quote Gina in her original post:

Community Ambassadors will not have special access to communicate with the developers directly, and their game feedback will have the same weight as everyone else.

I think you may find it's because we realise there is a human at the end of the development chain and berating them is not a useful motivational tool. If you give bug reports saying "Your crap's all messed up fam" then you will likely not get support. If you come with a very detailed post with reproduction steps it's far more likely that you will garner support.

Furthermore, often it may not be helpful to post angry threads on the forums and perhaps better to submit /bug and /feedback reports in game, or perhaps even PMing the relevant developer on the forums (they do get read).

Yakidafi · September 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

Waiting for reply from another Community Ambassador "

Morgul667 · September 2017

Some people would complain about just anything those days. I dont know the said ambassadors but I have never seen them defending one side or the other. They seem constructive. Which is good cause destructive is useless.

LadyNalcarya · September 2017

Someone's really mad.

I dont really understand the point of this "community ambassador" rank, but I dont have anything agaisnt them. Well... I think that custom profile pictures should be available for all users, but thats it.

FloppyTouch · September 2017

You know I really wanted to have ice cream for a snack but I ended up with some popcorn was really good. Then I went to work and thought about ice cream all day. Well anyways I got home and you know what I did? I made a bowl of ice cream was very good.

If it was up to me I would eat ice cream all day it just so damn good.

My favorite color is green like the green of leaves on trees.

so what's the point of this post?

There is no point to it at all just like OP and that's all this forum post deserves

Turelus · September 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

You know I really wanted to have ice cream for a snack but I ended up with some popcorn was really good. Then I went to work and thought about ice cream all day. Well anyways I got home and you know what I did? I made a bowl of ice cream was very good.

If it was up to me I would eat ice cream all day it just so damn good.

My favorite color is green like the green of leaves on trees.

so what's the point of this post?

There is no point to it at all just like OP and that's all this forum post deserves

Yeah but now you kind of made me want ice cream.

Chufu · September 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

This one is really pissing off. People who hate clowns like me will also hate "Community Ambassadors" because they are of the same character.

Have anyone ever seen "Community Ambassador" supporting players against developers? If yes please link. Because I can link a good hundred of CA replies supporting developers against players.

Is there even human behind these accounts? Because all I see is identical replies of "Don't worry, I'm sure developers working hard to fix this bug" (will always relate to 1+ year old bug), "The developers are not to blame, it's the players/guilds/bad weather/president who are responsible" "Everything gonna be ok"

Seriously, just rename the bots into "Developers Ambassadors", we are not in 14th century where prince was choosing elites to support him against peasants.

So in your opinion WE (the community ambassadors) and YOU (+ the community) should make an "army" against ZOS? Just because we like a lot of work of ZOS and posting that in the forums? And you should think about, that not everything can be fixed very soon in the game, as it's a big game. So sometimes there is no other answer possible than "they are working on fixing that" if Gina, Jess or the Developers tell us that.

As you maybe would know, when you read ALL community ambassadors replies (including my german ones), you will find out, that we don't always agree in every theme with ZOS. It's our own opinion that we write down like every other guy/lady in the forums.

No, we are not humans and not bots. I am an orc and if you flame me or the "community ambassador clan", we will take our revenge

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2017

Regardless of their opinions about ZOS and the game, which imho aren't more or less pro-ZOS than anyone else's "reasonable" opinion, the outstanding thing among Community Ambassadors is that they have excellent writing skills. Including the furry one, yes.

DeadlyRecluse · September 2017

The effort threshold for trolling on this forum keeps getting lower.

Enslaved · September 2017

If I disagree with something Zos did, is doing atm or will do at the future, do I need Community Ambassadors to "fight" my battles? Only thing I ever had to say against any community ambassador is when @Turelus was chosen for this position due to his views on slavery that, in my opinion, should prevent him for becoming a CA in the first place.

Turelus · September 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

If I disagree with something Zos did, is doing atm or will do at the future, do I need Community Ambassadors to "fight" my battles? Only thing I ever had to say against any community ambassador is when Turelus was chosen for this position due to his views on slavery that, in my opinion, should prevent him for becoming a CA in the first place.

Due to complaints about my comments we're now going with "unpaid assistants" as we feel this will cause less misunderstandings within the community.

ZOS_Mika · September 2017

Because this thread has not been constructive and is considered bashing by our community standards, we have decided to close it. Please see our Community Rules if you have any questions about what we allow on the forums.