Why I Hate New Dungeons

RedFireDisco · August 2016

I have 8 characters with max undaunted. If I'm doing a dungeon it's for a gold key. That's the only reason.

Unfortunately the stoopid RNG system means I have to do every pledge with all my characters to fill my bank with prosperous *** bogdan the lameflame gear and 200 keys later - still no malubeth shoulder piece. Yep, 4 weeks and way too many hours, I haven't gotten ONE piece, not heavy, med or light, so when I do get a Malubeth shoulder, whaddatheodds it'll be training lol?

So, why I hate new dungeons is they take far longer, are full of wipes and half the time can't be finished without a pretty savvy group. Now we have 2 more to the rotation, I have to sit out 2 more days, because I don't have enough time in the day to keep swinging and missing.

The irony of course, is the only thing keeping me playing (getting the piece I want) is the very thing making me sick of playing.

Now it's harder to get the shoulder piece I want to fit the BiS for my build. I don't think I can stomach another month of dungeon running for nothing. At least with Maelstrom, I get something.

Tokens, TOKENS (tokens).

I apologise profusely for what is little more than a rant. I'm suffering dungeon burnout.

Redfire

Mojmir · August 2016

wow,I wish I could trade with you,I get more malubeth than anything else.

RedFireDisco · August 2016

I get spawn of mephala, so, so many spawn of mephala.

But, I wish I could trade too. I'd give you 1000,000 gold.

Does anyone run Bogdan gear? Like literally anyone?

The Uninvited · August 2016

You know you can trade the monster set parts with your group members now, right?

RedFireDisco · August 2016

I'm happy to give any helm I get away - I have everything. I usually offer.

What I need comes from the gold (sometimes silver) chest. I don't think you can trade shoulders can you? I don't think I've checked at all, or have I missed a trick?

I may have a melt down lol.

But really, I might.

Mojmir · August 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I'm happy to give any helm I get away - I have everything. I usually offer.

What I need comes from the gold (sometimes silver) chest. I don't think you can trade shoulders can you? I don't think I've checked at all, or have I missed a trick?

I may have a melt down lol.

But really, I might.

No shoulders can't be traded.

The Uninvited · August 2016

Ah, sorry about that. Just realised you needed the shoulders.

Armitas · August 2016

The only thing I dislike about them is that I don't have DK Pull chain because of PvP and the mob positioning doesn't start out in a clump. It's really bad on the spiders and the light, every time I have to taunt and los them into the light. They really need a chain pull in undaunted.

SatchmoJones · August 2016

Ahhh gear grinds, running the same dungeons over and over and over.....thats what makes Elder Scrolls great..

Curragraigue · August 2016

Way too many Bogdan, Lord Warden and Engine Guardian shoulders for me. Swings and roundabouts though I sometimes go through periods of getting more of each of the sets you just have to be patient or keep an eye on the Golden Trader if you just want infused. Always do the gold and silver I have picked up some great shoulders with a silver key.

bottleofsyrup · August 2016

Prosperous and Training definitely need to be removed from end-game loot. I know they plan to do this for drops from trials, but I don't know if they have mentioned doing this for dungeon/pledge gear too.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I get spawn of mephala, so, so many spawn of mephala.

But, I wish I could trade too. I'd give you 1000,000 gold.

Does anyone run Bogdan gear? Like literally anyone?

So that is where they all go! Quit hogging them!

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I have 8 characters with max undaunted. If I'm doing a dungeon it's for a gold key. That's the only reason.

Unfortunately the stoopid RNG system means I have to do every pledge with all my characters to fill my bank with prosperous *** bogdan the lameflame gear and 200 keys later - still no malubeth shoulder piece. Yep, 4 weeks and way too many hours, I haven't gotten ONE piece, not heavy, med or light, so when I do get a Malubeth shoulder, whaddatheodds it'll be training lol?

So, why I hate new dungeons is they take far longer, are full of wipes and half the time can't be finished without a pretty savvy group. Now we have 2 more to the rotation, I have to sit out 2 more days, because I don't have enough time in the day to keep swinging and missing.

The irony of course, is the only thing keeping me playing (getting the piece I want) is the very thing making me sick of playing.

Now it's harder to get the shoulder piece I want to fit the BiS for my build. I don't think I can stomach another month of dungeon running for nothing. At least with Maelstrom, I get something.

Tokens, TOKENS (tokens).

I apologise profusely for what is little more than a rant. I'm suffering dungeon burnout.

Redfire

I wish we could trade luck, if I see another god damned malabuth shoulder I am going to *** an organ.

RedFireDisco · August 2016

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I wish we could trade luck, if I see another god damned malabuth shoulder I am going to *** an organ.[/quote]

Yes, I wish as much. You really need most organs apparently.

Burning_Talons · August 2016

Same here! I wasnt gonna use it so i really stop caring

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I wish we could trade luck, if I see another god damned malabuth shoulder I am going to *** an organ.[/quote]

Yes, I wish as much. You really need most organs apparently. [/quote]

tell that to my evacuating kidney.

AtmaDarkwolf · August 2016

RedFireDisco wrote: »

I have 8 characters with max undaunted. If I'm doing a dungeon it's for a gold key. That's the only reason.

Unfortunately the stoopid RNG system means I have to do every pledge with all my characters to fill my bank with prosperous *** bogdan the lameflame gear and 200 keys later - still no malubeth shoulder piece. Yep, 4 weeks and way too many hours, I haven't gotten ONE piece, not heavy, med or light, so when I do get a Malubeth shoulder, whaddatheodds it'll be training lol?

So, why I hate new dungeons is they take far longer, are full of wipes and half the time can't be finished without a pretty savvy group. Now we have 2 more to the rotation, I have to sit out 2 more days, because I don't have enough time in the day to keep swinging and missing.

The irony of course, is the only thing keeping me playing (getting the piece I want) is the very thing making me sick of playing.

Now it's harder to get the shoulder piece I want to fit the BiS for my build. I don't think I can stomach another month of dungeon running for nothing. At least with Maelstrom, I get something.

Tokens, TOKENS (tokens).

I apologise profusely for what is little more than a rant. I'm suffering dungeon burnout.

Redfire

u can still do the silver. Yes I know not EVERY silver key gives shoulders, but they very often do. And about the only thing different from a silver dropped shoulders to a gold drop is you need a purple upgrade(One drops blue other purple)

So do the silver runs too. A decent group can do ANY of the silver dungeons (Including the days you get new dungeons, doing those for silver also) in about 20min each.

And while I DO agree that the DLC dungeons (IC and new shadows of hist) should NOT , nor EVER be on the undaunted main list. EVER. (Forcing people to buy dlc's just to do base-game content is underhanded) those same dungeons SHOULD provide a key upon completion once a day.

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Prosperous and Training definitely need to be removed from end-game loot. I know they plan to do this for drops from trials, but I don't know if they have mentioned doing this for dungeon/pledge gear too.

Prosperous and training should be removed from ALL loot drops. Across the board. Never drop from ANY RNG source. They should stay as craftable, but never, ever should have at any time show up in loot tables.

The fact they do is only another 'grind' system in place to keep people playing longer.

Also prosperous should be changed to be : more gold on kill, more xp on kill, more ap on kill, more telvar on kill, and no damage from combat (to item not you)

mb10 · August 2016

lmao i have SO many useless (to me) malubeth shoulder pieces. Divines, infused, inpen whatever you want i wish i could give you one or some

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

I got the Malubeth Shoulders I needed a good while back. It is now among the most commonly gotten Shoulders for me. There are quite a few sets I barely see at all though...

Honestly people say we should have a "token system" for this sort of thing but in actuality if they weren't BoP we wouldn't even need a token system!

Panda_iMunch · August 2016

The looting is ridiculous as it is total RNG, which leads to quite a few people getting this looting situation where they get nothing of value many times in a row. I would hope they would make it so that loot has a higher chance at being more on a cycle to increase the diversity of drops on an individual level.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

The probability of NOT getting a malubeth shoulder (of any type) in 200 purp keys is 0.0000000000588160034 ... congrats on hitting the jackpot i guess?

NoMoreChillies · August 2016

Bind on Pickup

ya no thanks ZOS

Patouf · August 2016

This is sad

Totalitarian · August 2016

BTW, you can do the DLC dungeon pledges on normal mode for a silver key.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2016

I hate the new dungeons because ZOS thinks piling on mechanics onto the final fight is good difficulty design.

In reality it just makes the group wipe because CC adds just spawned, and the healer got to deal with the *** statues on Mazzatun. S'not hard. It's just luck whether or not someone who can take care of the job at that moment gets the job.

STOP PUTING IN RANDOM *** IN THE DUNGEONS.

Mojmir · August 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I hate the new dungeons because ZOS thinks piling on mechanics onto the final fight is good difficulty design.

In reality it just makes the group wipe because CC adds just spawned, and the healer got to deal with the *** statues on Mazzatun. S'not hard. It's just luck whether or not someone who can take care of the job at that moment gets the job.

STOP PUTING IN RANDOM *** IN THE DUNGEONS.

And stop using the same mechanic throughout the entire dungeon.
Pure lazyness.

Phinix1 · July 2017

I agree with OP 100%. All of the new DLC dungeons have had a learning curve miles beyond any of the original dungeons, being much more mechanics based. This leads to countless wipes and group disbands because the average pug just can't do it.

I don't mind the challenge. The problem is that you dump them in with the random vet queue, so you constantly get stuck in these that are pretty much guaranteed fails with pugs in pug gear. Really, it is just punishing ESO+ members or people who own your DLCs when they try and queue for randoms.

Also, throwing a couple dungeons at us with no new zones or content kinda feels a little like BS for a paid DLC. 2 dungeons = all of Wrothgar? Or Thieves Guild? Or Dark Brotherhood?

Something seems wrong with that to me.

DLC that is nothing but a couple new dungeons = "Oh yay, more token non-zone content that no one will actually do and just makes doing my daily pledges that much more of a time sink."

I mean cool, new content, but yeah. These dungeons should be patches not paid DLC. Also make a separate queue for them. You already have a separate Undaunted quest giver for them.

That little extra effort would save your players a lot of hassle.

stileanima · July 2017

MattT1988 · July 2017

In before thread lock due to necro.

ZOS_Bill · July 2017

This thread was originally started in August 2016, and while the topic is still relevant some of the earlier players participating may no longer be around. For this reason we are closing this as a necro and recommend starting a new thread.