Whats the meta mag sorc build this patch?

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Bringing my sorc out of retirement as im bored with stamina at the moment?

Not sure what to use though with the sustain changes.

5x amber
5x wizards
1x max magicka

Maybe 1 regen glyph for around 2.5k regen? Will that be enough?

Vapirko · June 2017

5pc cheese on a sharp destro staff and a 2pc monster set of stamina class betrayal.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

5pc cheese on a sharp destro staff and a 2pc monster set of stamina class betrayal.

Honestly this builds working pretty good.

Helps i debuff everything for 15% less dmg then use resto ult xD

Thelon · June 2017

I'm glad Shifu sent you. I was beginning to think I have been forgotten. Fly back there and tell them "The *real* dragon warrior is coming home.

Lexxypwns · June 2017

Well, since youre enjoying your current build ill suggest how to improve it. First, run wizards on back bar only, it's a really long debuff. Then run 2x Bloodspawn or some other monster set of your choice. Pirate is still usable, Engine is probably overkill with amber in CP and mixing 2 1pc sets is an option. So is running VMA destro with a poison and 1x monster set. IMO, Bloodspawn is BiS for open world small group, more destro/resto ults, the Stam regen fits the build well and the extra mitigation is useful.

It might sound blasphemous, but if you run pirate and riposte you shouldn't need resto ult, that would let you slot overload and gain tons of utility from your extra skill slots

Lord-Otto · June 2017

Hard to say this patch. Lots of options, which might indicate good balancing. A few thoughts:

Soul Assault is really effective against glassy roll abusers. Especially noobs. It's rare to kill competent players with it, but it does happen. Slotting it is not a waste.

War Maiden helps your burst (Curse+Frag), your mines and Soul Assault. An interesting choice.

Destro Ult sucks now, unless in ball groups. Don't bother, use Negate.

I found sustain to be good between 1500-2000 mag regen. Unless you use Dark Exchange, then it can be lower. I never understand how people have the skill slot free for it, though.

Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

Last thought, Viper is still completely broken. Magicka builds really need better proc sets. Skoria is just too hard to proc on magsorc. Not worth it.

Magıc · June 2017

Amberplasm is overkill imo. I sustain stam fine without it. Riposte + war maiden/lich is a setup you could try. I run things a but differently but it's not my build so ya...

thankyourat · June 2017

Double sustain set. sorcs aren't doing as much killing this patch but they for sure aren't dying lol

Emma_Overload · June 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Hard to say this patch. Lots of options, which might indicate good balancing. A few thoughts:

Soul Assault is really effective against glassy roll abusers. Especially noobs. It's rare to kill competent players with it, but it does happen. Slotting it is not a waste.

War Maiden helps your burst (Curse+Frag), your mines and Soul Assault. An interesting choice.

Destro Ult sucks now, unless in ball groups. Don't bother, use Negate.

I found sustain to be good between 1500-2000 mag regen. Unless you use Dark Exchange, then it can be lower. I never understand how people have the skill slot free for it, though.

Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

Last thought, Viper is still completely broken. Magicka builds really need better proc sets. Skoria is just too hard to proc on magsorc. Not worth it.

I use Spell Power pots and ditch Surge to make room for Dark Conversion. It's expensive, but worth it. My Mag/Stam regen is 1400/1400 on my recent builds, which seems to work OK. On my favorite CP build, I front bar Spinner's and back bar Light of Cyrodiil so that I get 15% damage reduction while casting Dark Conversion. I also use mixed Monster pieces, both with Stamina regen.

Lord-Otto · June 2017

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Hard to say this patch. Lots of options, which might indicate good balancing. A few thoughts:

Soul Assault is really effective against glassy roll abusers. Especially noobs. It's rare to kill competent players with it, but it does happen. Slotting it is not a waste.

War Maiden helps your burst (Curse+Frag), your mines and Soul Assault. An interesting choice.

Destro Ult sucks now, unless in ball groups. Don't bother, use Negate.

I found sustain to be good between 1500-2000 mag regen. Unless you use Dark Exchange, then it can be lower. I never understand how people have the skill slot free for it, though.

Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

Last thought, Viper is still completely broken. Magicka builds really need better proc sets. Skoria is just too hard to proc on magsorc. Not worth it.

I use Spell Power pots and ditch Surge to make room for Dark Conversion. It's expensive, but worth it. My Mag/Stam regen is 1400/1400 on my recent builds, which seems to work OK. On my favorite CP build, I front bar Spinner's and back bar Light of Cyrodiil so that I get 15% damage reduction while casting Dark Conversion. I also use mixed Monster pieces, both with Stamina regen.

Sounds like a good plan.

Can't imagine giving up my immovability and detection, though. xD
But yeah, if you can live without it, that is a good approach! I like it!

Sarato · June 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

5pc cheese on a sharp destro staff and a 2pc monster set of stamina class betrayal.

HAHAHA

Berenhir · June 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

BoL activates Necropotence because the ball counts as pet.

Bam_Bam · June 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

BoL activates Necropotence because the ball counts as pet.

But doesn't BoL last 6 seconds?

Lord-Otto · June 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

BoL activates Necropotence because the ball counts as pet.

Really? That's so broken and hilarious! x'D

HoloYoitsu · June 2017

Just a little FYI about Wizard's Riposte: Minor Maim only reduces player damage done by 10% (the full 15% damage done reduction only occurs on mobs).

Likewise, Major Maim only reduces player damage by 20%, not 30%.

This behavior is tied to battle spirit in some way.

Berenhir · June 2017

Baranthus wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

BoL activates Necropotence because the ball counts as pet.

But doesn't BoL last 6 seconds?

2.5 seconds, just enough to reposition and stack necropowered hardened and harness...

But it's a way to activate necro on a shadowrend build during flight.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

BoL activates Necropotence because the ball counts as pet.

Really? That's so broken and hilarious! x'D

Yes. And cool!

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Just a little FYI about Wizard's Riposte: Minor Maim only reduces player damage done by 10% (the full 15% damage done reduction only occurs on mobs).

Likewise, Major Maim only reduces player damage by 20%, not 30%.

This behavior is tied to battle spirit in some way.

Any reference or source for this? Sounds like a typical ZOS though :-)

HoloYoitsu · June 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Just a little FYI about Wizard's Riposte: Minor Maim only reduces player damage done by 10% (the full 15% damage done reduction only occurs on mobs).

Likewise, Major Maim only reduces player damage by 20%, not 30%.

This behavior is tied to battle spirit in some way.

Any reference or source for this? Sounds like a typical ZOS though :-)

Did testing myself with multiple guildies. Logging damage on dmg shields, then retested on mobs.

It's similar to oblivion dmg enchants. The enchant tooltip decreases when you go into cyrodiil.

Waffennacht · June 2017

@holoyoitsu thanks!

BoL is a pet?! Now I know... Lol

BTW Shadowrend has 100% up time on a Templar... (Cuz it's cool to be a petemplar)

Lord-Otto · June 2017

(^_^)'^
I kindly disagree...
>xP

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Ended up with 5x shackle, 5x riposte, 1x grothdarr

5/1/1 all impen.

37.5k Magicka
22.5k hp
13.1k stamina

2600 mag regen Without pot up
900 stam regen

2.3k spell dmg

Riposte basically gives me shields 15% more size which also works if my shields are down, its so good in a group as well.

I recently went vamp hence why i have 2.6k regen at the moment, it feel like its a bit much as i don't use dark conversion much anymore. May swap a regen for spell dmg.

Inferno bar: Frag, fury, crushing, hardened ward, curse Destro ult/ dawnbreaker
Resto bar: Healing, harness, power surge, Ball of lightning, dark conversion.

Gonna switch my ball of lightning back to streak i think, it just doesn't seem to work and it quite useless.

I prefer power surge over entrophy or spell pots, i love the 24/7 extra 20% stam/mag regen as well via tri pots. Always prefered self buffs + the extra healing isn't bad either.

I really don't like soul assault i can kill stamblades with a curse/frag/ fury combo easily enough, soul assault is a broken skill.

Decided on vamp because i rarely get hit by dawnbreakers anymore and mag dk's are easy to get away from and deal with, mostly see nb's, other sorc's magplars, wardens some stam/mag dk's. The damage reduction is nice as well. Think i'll go another spell dmg though get to 2.6k~

Also get around 35% dmg reduction with resto + wizards

revonine · June 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ended up with 5x shackle, 5x riposte, 2x grothdarr

5/1/1 all impen.

37.5k Magicka
22.5k hp
13.1k stamina

2600 mag regen Without pot up
900 stam regen

2.4k spell dmg

Riposte basically gives me shields 15% more size which also works if my shields are down, its so good in a group as well.

I recently went vamp hence why i have 2.6k regen at the moment, it feel like its a bit much as i don't use dark conversion much anymore. May swap a regen for spell dmg.

Inferno bar: Frag, fury, crushing, hardened ward, curse Destro ult/ dawnbreaker
Resto bar: Healing, harness, power surge, Ball of lightning, dark conversion.

Gonna switch my ball of lightning back to streak i think, it just doesn't seem to work and it quite useless.

I prefer power surge over entrophy or spell pots, i love the 24/7 extra 20% stam/mag regen as well via tri pots. Always prefered self buffs + the extra healing isn't bad either.

I really don't like soul assault i can kill stamblades with a curse/frag/ fury combo easily enough, soul assault is a broken skill.

Decided on vamp because i rarely get hit by dawnbreakers anymore and mag dk's are easy to get away from and deal with, mostly see nb's, other sorc's magplars, wardens some stam/mag dk's. The damage reduction is nice as well. Think i'll go another spell dmg though get to 2.7k~

Also get around 35% dmg reduction with resto + wizards

How are you fitting the two 5 pieces in with a monster set with two staves with that setup? wouldn't you need the 5pc of shackle active on both bars?

leepalmer95 · June 2017

revonine wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ended up with 5x shackle, 5x riposte, 2x grothdarr

5/1/1 all impen.

37.5k Magicka
22.5k hp
13.1k stamina

2600 mag regen Without pot up
900 stam regen

2.4k spell dmg

Riposte basically gives me shields 15% more size which also works if my shields are down, its so good in a group as well.

I recently went vamp hence why i have 2.6k regen at the moment, it feel like its a bit much as i don't use dark conversion much anymore. May swap a regen for spell dmg.

Inferno bar: Frag, fury, crushing, hardened ward, curse Destro ult/ dawnbreaker
Resto bar: Healing, harness, power surge, Ball of lightning, dark conversion.

Gonna switch my ball of lightning back to streak i think, it just doesn't seem to work and it quite useless.

I prefer power surge over entrophy or spell pots, i love the 24/7 extra 20% stam/mag regen as well via tri pots. Always prefered self buffs + the extra healing isn't bad either.

I really don't like soul assault i can kill stamblades with a curse/frag/ fury combo easily enough, soul assault is a broken skill.

Decided on vamp because i rarely get hit by dawnbreakers anymore and mag dk's are easy to get away from and deal with, mostly see nb's, other sorc's magplars, wardens some stam/mag dk's. The damage reduction is nice as well. Think i'll go another spell dmg though get to 2.7k~

Also get around 35% dmg reduction with resto + wizards

How are you fitting the two 5 pieces in with a monster set with two staves with that setup? wouldn't you need the 5pc of shackle active on both bars?

... 1x grothdar xD

2x grothdarr would be pointless..

Lord-Otto · June 2017

How do you do damage with that, though, Lee? Even with Necropotence up, I'm lucky to get a 7k frag crit - barely enough to outdamage those pesky pocket healers everywhere. I can imagine you struggling even more.

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

How do you do damage with that, though, Lee? Even with Necropotence up, I'm lucky to get a 7k frag crit - barely enough to outdamage those pesky pocket healers everywhere. I can imagine you struggling even more.

my sustain is enough to were i can literally weave everything and spam constantly.

I can still crit pretty high, on the healers i have magicka cost poisons back bar

Though i rarely run solo anymore, healers, procs, zergs make it annoying so im usually in a 2-4 man group.

If i see a healer they get called out, curse + fury + frag with weaves and a friend kills them usually or we run them out of stam quickly then burst.

Trashs1 · June 2017

i play atm 5 shacklebreaker + 5 alteron master +1 magx mag monster + whichmothers brew

ults are ice comet and heal staff ulty which is on 75 ult with alteration mastery. works fine for me

ik do like the idea of wizzards ripposite set. maybe ill try it

leepalmer95 · June 2017

Trashs1 wrote: »

i play atm 5 shacklebreaker + 5 alteron master +1 magx mag monster + whichmothers brew

ults are ice comet and heal staff ulty which is on 75 ult with alteration mastery. works fine for me

ik do like the idea of wizzards ripposite set. maybe ill try it

That seems decent, cheaper ult, cheaper roll, cheaper block, cheaper break free.

Also im guessing you go 3x spell dmg because of the cost reduction and extra regen?

TreeHugger1 · June 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Necroptence+Shadowrend is a decent, but random setup. You have troubles proc'ing it under heavy pressure, when you can't attack.

BoL activates Necropotence because the ball counts as pet.

Really? That's so broken and hilarious! x'D

Broken but not op, you can only stack shields after you use it and after the nerf to sustain this patch a second streak/BoL costs more than 5 k mag.

whoseverwinter · June 2017

Go for 5 shackle 3 will power and 2 engine
2 recov glyphs you can roll doge for day

Magıc · June 2017

Still don't think witchmothers is worth using. But yeah, using something similar myself.