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ZOS, please stop placing most, if not all desirable items in the crown/gem/crate store. It's boring.

  • MasterSpatula
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    If this game had been B2P with a Cash Shop at release, I would never have gotten hooked on it because I would never even have given it a chance. Real-World money for in-game items is an inherently bad thing and inevitably leads to things like CS-only motifs and gamble boxes, things which have no business even existing.

    Can't put all the blame on ZOS, though. If players are too cheap to sub, then they shouldn't be surprised when the company monetizes every thing they can.
    Edited by MasterSpatula on March 29, 2017 11:52PM
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • aLi3nZ
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    I have a home I have spent maybe 2m decorating. I almost own every item i could want that is avalible with gold now. I did notice I am missing some things that I have seen others have. Skyshard for example. Never seen that for sale. Since I am subbed. I guess I will just wait until the next lot of crowns come with my sub renewal and take a look at crown store furniture
  • Tapio75
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    I dont like the crown store but in the end they will keep it as Ferengi in the team deem it as necessity for profit.

    Though i would demand that theres always a way to also get these items simply by playing the game.

    Also, more GAME exclusive stuff, no crown exclusive stuff. More incentives for players to be subscribers. I would stiöll gladly pay more mothly to get rid of the crown store completely. Perphaps they6 should keep the crates as a way to donate for the development of the game though, the crates should contain stuff thats hard to obtain by playing a game but never impossible.

    PS: I often find it very frustrating and also extremely annoying how many players dismiss good looking stuff as "Fluff" thats not needed. There are few of us, for who the character is more important than the actual performance, the characters need to have certain mounts, pets, clothing to fit the BIO of the character, they are more important to me than many players best gear is. For me, it is pay to win if someone can make the character look like who the character is simply because they have the real life funds for it. It is offending that there are no ways to get many of the clothing to even work as a cosmetic outlook for the character, even the crown clothing costumes are just a poor substitute for real cosmetic outfit system where one can be wwearing what ever armor he/she likes but still look like the character they are actually playing. Who is to say, that farmer Hettar from Eastmarch cant tank while wearing his farming clothes, having only pitchfork as a weapon. In fantasy, it is possible that one has such martial provess, that a simple pitchfork can just deflect any blade with skillful moves and hit anything with timed execution and brutal force.
    Edited by Tapio75 on March 30, 2017 1:25AM
    >>PC-EU Mostly PVE. Played since BETA<<
  • DeusExMachina
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    "I want to play this game for next to nothing, but I also want to undermine your main source of income, because I want shiny things for free."

    This is why I hate most MMO gamers today. Bitched and moaned till most everything is b2p or f2p now a days and still have the nerve to complain about cash shop items. The *** are they supposed to keep the game alive if they just toss everything at you for free because you picked up the game for next to nothing on a sale no doubt.
    GTFO.
  • Spearblade
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    Knootewoot wrote: »
    I was so happy and had a sense of achievement in Vanguard when I got

    - my first flying mount
    - upgraded my griffon to a raid-griffon
    - Got a Wyvern egg and the incubator on same day
    - Crafting one of the first sailboats
    - Got the buildplans to craft a galleon by doing a raid
    - Building a galleon

    So I agree with OP.

    What destroyed Vanguard

    In the end they made a cash shop

    what was there for sale

    Faster flying mounts then the raid mounts
    Galleons for very cheap real money
    Better looking Wyvern mounts with lots of variation

    Vanguard was not doing good before the cash shop so it was dying anyway. But putting all hard to get items for cheap money was the last nail in the coffin. That, but I believe they added cashshop as they knew they where gonna pull plug and wanted to extract moah money,

    I miss Vanguard so much :( It had so much potential...
  • Wifeaggro13
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    From all of my experiences in playing MMOs, some of the most arduous feats, or impossible quests I completed were to obtain something that might have seemed ridiculous to some, but unique and valuable to the everyone else. In some games, unique items are difficult to obtain, some items are only available prior to a specific patch, but it's these items that motivate some players to continue playing. However, with the advent of the crown store the only barrier to unique/interesting items is the value I place on my own money, which honestly, given these circumstances, I'd rather go out to a decent dinner than buy 4-5 items I can look at occasionally.

    I reconsidered my convictions at times and I wondered if, maybe my frustration is a result of where I come from? I first played Ultima online for a tiny bit, then asherons call for a few years, then DAoC for a few years as well and what I loved about those games was the unique experiences I had while playing them. Now I play ESO and I love it, been playing since PS4 launch. I was really hopeful for the justice system, but I guess I can accept that it's gone. However, the crown/gem/crate store is becoming too much. The store is removing all of the valuable PVE experiences we should be having for having purchased the game, and by playing. First, consider imperial city, what I thought to be like darkness falls in DAoC doesn't function the way it was intended to(or as I assumed it to), and instead has slowly fallen into a cateogry of perceived 'useless content' as the willpower and agility jewelry has been replaced by newer content. I guess this doesn't have to do with the crate store, but it's along the same line of thinking; make things easy and obtainable. If you pvp you know what I mean. As for PVE, the unqiue items you may have put effort in to obtaining are a click (and a paycheck [if you live in zimbabwe {is this inappropriate? what's that 1800 number again? i feel terrible, now. first world problems}]) away... but to reiterate or be more emphatic, why in the heck are you guys making everything that would make me play your game for hours an easily purchasable item in your crown/gem/crate store? I think to myself, sure I could log in and buy these items, and have them, and gawk, but once I receive them, they won't hold any value because there's no meaning in my efforts to obtain them; in essence I spent some time doing something other than playing the game to get them. Which, I guess its great that you can use that money to create new content, but how does that help me, the player, if you're not creating new content that actually interests me? I hope you guys don't think that I am going to willingly continue to purchase my satisfaction from playing your game. Maybe if you could get all of the qualities of PC into consoles I would, but until then, I rely on my gameplay experience, and your crown/gem/crate store has been making that experience fall short.

    Maybe it's just me? Genre's always shift; is having the items enough for people to purchase them? I hope not. I play RPGs because my character is a representation of how I have chosen to navigate the experience that developers have created for me. However, I currently feel that developers are choosing to omit the entirety of what makes an RPG enjoyable for me, somehow. I don't know if it's entirely their fault; they rely on other people to pay for things, sometimes. Those other people want money. I get it, but like, can we move just a little back into the direction of what makes an RPG good?

    Lol so the community finally got wise to the Zos'd. All that we don't want players to be barred from unique items based on end game accomplishment. Lol they want you to spend hundreds of dollars gambling for them and not actually have to play the content. So who is this B2p model working for you casuals now lol
  • Gandrhulf_Harbard
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    "I want to play this game for next to nothing, but I also want to undermine your main source of income, because I want shiny things for free."

    This is why I hate most MMO gamers today. Bitched and moaned till most everything is b2p or f2p now a days and still have the nerve to complain about cash shop items. The *** are they supposed to keep the game alive if they just toss everything at you for free because you picked up the game for next to nothing on a sale no doubt.
    GTFO.

    Interesting, if somewhat ill thought out, rant.

    I paid £60 for the game, oh, and then bought the Imperial Upgrade.
    I pay £10 a month sub.
    I have paid £50 in the last month for Crowns for Race Changes.

    Apart from "services" like Name, Race change etc everything in Crown Crates should also be available as Drops in the game - even mounts and cosmetics. The Store should be the "short cut" to those things, not the only route.

    And EVERYTHING is the Store is at least twice as expensive as it has any right to be. WTH were they thinking with the Elk price, or the Cavern.

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