Why don't you PvP?

Emmagoldman · March 2017

Just curious, theres a lot of comments that pvers are all nice and work together. Am I alone in having so many people leave groups or rage quit? Or wait for you to pull aggro so they can get a node? Or complain aboit people during trials. Fair to say there are crappy people everywhere

Betheny · March 2017

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Just curious, theres a lot of comments that pvers are all nice and work together. Am I alone in having so many people leave groups or rage quit? Or wait for you to pull aggro so they can get a node? Or complain aboit people during trials. Fair to say there are crappy people everywhere

Nobody is saying that (at least I think nobody is saying that).

Why people are talking about PVP chat and not PVE chat is because the OP asked about PVP - he didn't ask why we don't PVE he asked why we don't PVP.

In my case in regular PVE I never have to hear people in voicechat...would have to do an organised group activity for that and then the chat wouldn't be about rubbish, it'd be about getting the job done. In PVP the chat is mostly chaotic and unfocused, and tends to be complaints about various PVP things or people (players/devs), or skills and gear. With only the occasional order coming through...

STEVIL · March 2017

bg22 wrote: »

After a (irrational) outcry from the upcoming CP adjustments from much of the forum community, I keep seeing "most of us don't PvP... etc. etc."

Why?

Everyone that I've introduced into PvP that was very against it, turned out to not being against it at all. By introduced I mean I helped them to know what to expect and how to respond and what skills are needed to help emerge victorious.

Secondly, I have always been a adamant PvPer, but still enjoy "endgame" type pve. I spend 95% of my time PvPing, yet receive compliments in pve often, and I attribute that to the skills I've used and learned in PvP. Without PvP I don't believe I would be as good as I am in PvE.

Anyway, that's just my take on things. I'm just curious; why don't you PvP?

While i do enjoy competitive gaming, it has to be balanced competitive gaming.
It scan be an even content or even a handicapped contest but not one where inherent advantages are given for past performance, acquisition etc.

Go, chess, golf, bowling, etc... all good.

But the whole my gold gear elite sets beats your gear thing... not my cup of tea.

apostate9 · March 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)

You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.

I'm sure the bad people you speak of were PvP players trying to PvE and getting upset. Real PvE players don't make those types of comments.

This was sarcastic...right?

kyle.wilson · March 2017

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

ESO had some PvP philosophies they took from DaoC, but practically all of those have been changed or adjusted. Remember when the game released and owning scrolls actually had more meaning to those in the mainland? Then the PvE crowd complained, and so they changed it.

The problem of this style of pvp with multiple campaigns, resulted in several faction "buff" servers and only 1 completive one. When an emp hold his crown for 60 days that's a buff server.
It was pvpers that complained about the way it was working, pvers just had to select a campaign and reap the rewards from the buffs.
PVPers were homing a buff server and playing in their guest.

I would prefer pvp to be 1 campaign, then they could consider using that style again. People that wanted the buff would be forced into pvp to get it. But, ZOS servers today are unable to handle even moderate loads. A one campaign system would be just too much.

Luigi_Vampa · March 2017

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Just curious, theres a lot of comments that pvers are all nice and work together. Am I alone in having so many people leave groups or rage quit? Or wait for you to pull aggro so they can get a node? Or complain aboit people during trials. Fair to say there are crappy people everywhere

Exactly. What are all these PvE elitist threads about? Being kicked from dungeons for low cp, being kicked for not being a templar healer, blaming people for wipes and all the other ragey stories about dungeon groups.

It must be PvPers in disguise

NordSwordnBoard · March 2017

I really like both PvE and PvP. I got the Cyrodiil cave delver achievement, which kind of straddles the line between both PvE & PvP. I can't say PvE or PvP is that much better or worse than the other. I simply don't see the value of trying to shade one camp vs. the other. Scoffing at someone else's thing in order to feel better about your thing? Good luck with that.

I see PvP as dynamic, while PvE is procedural. If you can't beat a certain PvE content, say VMA, you can improve your rotations, gear, seek guides, etc. You are far more aware of what you're up against in PvE. In PvP, you don't know if the person you lost to was good, bad, or just lucky. You could have top end gear and player skills that work on some people, but not others.

"There's always a bigger fish" - you just have to accept this and move on. The big fish in PvE doesn't need to taunt/insult you, the blame games that sometimes happen in a dungeon or trial fails serve that purpose. The big fish in PvP, well, that's harder to accept because hate tells and direct taunting are specific to you, and sometimes more personal. The fear is, that jerk may be right, and that's hard to accept for some people. I simply don't care who judges me in a video game, and I have more fun because of it.

cjthibs · March 2017

vamp_emily wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

And to be fair, I've been in PvE groups where a dungeon doesn't even start because someone is yelling about other people's gear loudly. Calling them idiots <insert racial slurs> and noobs because they don't have exactly the same gear that their DPS of whichever race/class/role has. Or groups where a healer decided to just stop healing because he/she didn't feel the rest of the group was up to their level. (Not leaving the group mind you, but letting them die repeatedly, then insulting everyone, then leaving.)

You don't like PvP, cool, but don't try and insult an entire group of people to justify it. There are *** on both sides of the divide.

I'm sure the bad people you speak of were PvP players trying to PvE and getting upset. Real PvE players don't make those types of comments.

What is a real PvE player?

Enslaved · March 2017

I am not PvPing because.... Wait, all I do is PvP. Someone please kill me...

ArchMikem · March 2017

Dantaria wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

Seconding this with the power of thousand suns.

PvP tends to bring out worst in people. In PvE there are only "we". In PvP there are "we" and "them". And when there are "we" and "them", things go south very quickly.

Don't forget the constant infighting within your own faction. If people aren't actually participating in the Campaign, they're neck deep in Zone Chat trying to "Expose" you, accusing something or someone of being Cancer, or generally saying impolite things about your Mother or Sister.

Competitive Multiplayer is a cesspool of degenerate, incomprehensibly rude, heartless, evil people. Like Dantaria said, it brings out the absolute worst. I only head into Cyrodiil when I'm on my Gank capable StamBlade and I've also prepared myself mentally for an hour or two of stressful torture, because I know that with my kind of playstyle, if I don't win the fight within the first few seconds, I'm not going to win, period, and being a receiver of constant curb stomping gets old, VERY quickly.

If I'm going to not succeed at something in-game, I want it to be because I failed a fight with the A.I., not because another player used their l337 skillz and proc sets to one shot me and then tea bag me.

cjthibs · March 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

Seconding this with the power of thousand suns.

PvP tends to bring out worst in people. In PvE there are only "we". In PvP there are "we" and "them". And when there are "we" and "them", things go south very quickly.

Don't forget the constant infighting within your own faction. If people aren't actually participating in the Campaign, they're neck deep in Zone Chat trying to "Expose" you, accusing something or someone of being Cancer, or generally saying impolite things about your Mother or Sister.

Competitive Multiplayer is a cesspool of degenerate, incomprehensibly rude, heartless, evil people. Like Dantaria said, it brings out the absolute worst. I only head into Cyrodiil when I'm on my Gank capable StamBlade and I've also prepared myself mentally for an hour or two of stressful torture, because I know that with my kind of playstyle, if I don't win the fight within the first few seconds, I'm not going to win, period, and being a receiver of constant curb stomping gets old, VERY quickly.

If I'm going to not succeed at something in-game, I want it to be because I failed a fight with the A.I., not because another player used their l337 skillz and proc sets to one shot me and then tea bag me.

Hyperbole much?

out51d3r · March 2017

The reality of the situation is there are jerks on both sides of pvp and pve. The thing is we tend to give their words more weight in the content we aren't as comfortable with. When people start spewing crap in pvp I know whether or not what they are saying is correct(it's often not) and I'm comfortable ignoring it. In pve though, I don't really know what's going on, so I tend to give more weight to the "you don't have set xyz so clearly you aren't pulling your weight noob" types in pve than I probably should.

Betheny · March 2017

cjthibs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

Seconding this with the power of thousand suns.

PvP tends to bring out worst in people. In PvE there are only "we". In PvP there are "we" and "them". And when there are "we" and "them", things go south very quickly.

Don't forget the constant infighting within your own faction. If people aren't actually participating in the Campaign, they're neck deep in Zone Chat trying to "Expose" you, accusing something or someone of being Cancer, or generally saying impolite things about your Mother or Sister.

Competitive Multiplayer is a cesspool of degenerate, incomprehensibly rude, heartless, evil people. Like Dantaria said, it brings out the absolute worst. I only head into Cyrodiil when I'm on my Gank capable StamBlade and I've also prepared myself mentally for an hour or two of stressful torture, because I know that with my kind of playstyle, if I don't win the fight within the first few seconds, I'm not going to win, period, and being a receiver of constant curb stomping gets old, VERY quickly.

If I'm going to not succeed at something in-game, I want it to be because I failed a fight with the A.I., not because another player used their l337 skillz and proc sets to one shot me and then tea bag me.

Hyperbole much?

Did it make the point or not?

If it did, then hyperbole success!

Catches_the_Sun · March 2017

kyle.wilson wrote: »

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

ESO had some PvP philosophies they took from DaoC, but practically all of those have been changed or adjusted. Remember when the game released and owning scrolls actually had more meaning to those in the mainland? Then the PvE crowd complained, and so they changed it.

The problem of this style of pvp with multiple campaigns, resulted in several faction "buff" servers and only 1 completive one. When an emp hold his crown for 60 days that's a buff server.
It was pvpers that complained about the way it was working, pvers just had to select a campaign and reap the rewards from the buffs.
PVPers were homing a buff server and playing in their guest.

I would prefer pvp to be 1 campaign, then they could consider using that style again. People that wanted the buff would be forced into pvp to get it. But, ZOS servers today are unable to handle even moderate loads. A one campaign system would be just too much.

Again, it goes back to design. They chose to have a megaserver, thereby not giving themselves a chance to balance PvP server population with overall server population. The result is oversized arena gameplay instead of something that could have been much more meaningful.

cjthibs · March 2017

Betheny wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Dantaria wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Because I don't like playing against other players, I've never been a 'competitive' person and don't need to feel better than someone else. I do not like 'fast-paced' combat, I don't like whining and complaining, I don't like tea-baggers and their arrogance, I don't like unpredictability. I also don't like games/content that induces any type of stress.

I only solo PvE and I like the pacing, I like the structure, I like knowing pretty much what to expect from every scenario. I like knowing that even should I die, the enemy won't taunt and act like an a**... and if I beat them, they won't linger on with a grudge or try to report me for 'cheating' simply because they lost.

So yes, I prefer a game that's EASY, that isn't stressful, and that's pretty predictable and routine. Some may find that boring, but it's what I enjoy... I am very much a creature of habit and am loathe to do anything spontaneous.

Seconding this with the power of thousand suns.

PvP tends to bring out worst in people. In PvE there are only "we". In PvP there are "we" and "them". And when there are "we" and "them", things go south very quickly.

Don't forget the constant infighting within your own faction. If people aren't actually participating in the Campaign, they're neck deep in Zone Chat trying to "Expose" you, accusing something or someone of being Cancer, or generally saying impolite things about your Mother or Sister.

Competitive Multiplayer is a cesspool of degenerate, incomprehensibly rude, heartless, evil people. Like Dantaria said, it brings out the absolute worst. I only head into Cyrodiil when I'm on my Gank capable StamBlade and I've also prepared myself mentally for an hour or two of stressful torture, because I know that with my kind of playstyle, if I don't win the fight within the first few seconds, I'm not going to win, period, and being a receiver of constant curb stomping gets old, VERY quickly.

If I'm going to not succeed at something in-game, I want it to be because I failed a fight with the A.I., not because another player used their l337 skillz and proc sets to one shot me and then tea bag me.

Hyperbole much?

Did it make the point or not?

If it did, then hyperbole success!

No, it makes the spewer of it sound unreasonable.
If he truly believes PvP is a 'cesspool of degenerate, incomprehensibly rude, heartless, and evil people,' then he doesn't know a whole lot of people in PvP. If he is lying to make a point...well, that's just as bad.

ArchMikem · March 2017

cjthibs wrote: »

Hyperbole much?

General fact much. I'm not ruling out the existence of nice players, but then again they're not the vocal ones.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2017

A bit strange to see people in this thread arguing so much about whether there is more arguing going on in PVP chat or PVE chat.

OP asked for some honest feedback from those who aren't into PVP or had a bad time.

If you want to encourage more PVE players to visit Cyrodiil, why not sit back and let them share their experience? This is the way to learn what's turning people off from PVP. Arguing about someone else's subjective experience is not helpful.

cjthibs · March 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Hyperbole much?

General fact much. I'm not ruling out the existence of nice players, but then again they're not the vocal ones.

Your opinion is not fact.
Repeat it as much as you like, but that's not how facts work.
If you want to claim it is a fact, then please, by all means provide evidence.

(We'll just ignore that you referred to something as fact which you described in entirely subjective, unverifiable, and only vaguely definable terms.)

Syntse · March 2017

I do sometimes visit the PvP servers but really it's not my cup of tea. If I want to PvP I go play Battlefield and even there I'm not that good but at least once I die I'm pretty fast back in the action and the build is much more narrow between players. I do enjoy group play with guildies in PvE much more in RPG and then PvP in FPS games.

bulbousb16_ESO · March 2017

JKorr wrote: »

However my personal experience every time I've been in Cyrodiil to do other things has been negative. I know I won't have a chance against the maxed cp9billion pvper(s). I go into Cyrodiil knowing I'll get killed. I have no wish to try to "git gud".

Wow, you're like the poster-boy for the exact kind of person that I am talking about. You have actually been to Cyrodiil, but absolutely refused to fight when confronted by an enemy? You can't even begin to tell me that there isn't something seriously wrong there. And your whole attitude is defeatist. Not everyone that goes to Cyrodiil is some kind of uber-elite min-maxer. People of all skill levels go there to have fun. Do you even know that the best campaign is "Azura's Star" and does not even use Champion Points?

Perhaps your interest in pvp shows a tendency to overcompensate for something?

I have an interest in this game. I PvP only occasionally. I don't much care for housing, but I will decorate a house eventually. But you don't see me freaking out saying "I DON'T WANT TO DECORATE EVER".

Cadbury · March 2017

I've "retired" from PvP in any MMO. It's just too different nowadays.

I still play other types of competitive games like Overwatch and LoL, though

Luigi_Vampa · March 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Hyperbole much?

General fact much. I'm not ruling out the existence of nice players, but then again they're not the vocal ones.

But you said evil. Have you really ever met an evil person in Cyrodiil? Does that word carry little weight with you?

I'm fine with hyperbole, but it is too common that PvE players call PvPers evil, sociopaths, psychopaths, I'm had someone suggest one time that I like hurting animals. This kind of hyperbole is not fine with me. This kind is a little over the top. Unless in your world, anyone who is a jerk or said something mean to you is evil?

People use hyperbole too much anyway. Louis CK has a great bit on it. We do indeed go to the top shelf immediately with our words. Awesome, hilarious, evil... They start to lose meaning when we use them to decribe everything.

Ihatenightblades · March 2017

In resonse to OP

1. Cyrodil has some serious performance issues
2. Its very big and u hardly see enemies
3. If you see enemies its a zerg
4. Lag
5. Lag
6. And lag ;(

Rohamad_Ali · March 2017

I pvp but I have a lot of friends that do not and I understand why . PVE is fun and a lot less stressful . NPCs don't teabag your corpse or spit at you . NPCs don't spam zone chat with long winded rants . While the majority of my fellow PVP players maybe fair sportsman , those few who are not really damage the fun of PVP for a lot of us . It's the bad apples that in the long run , run off the population . Without Refs to keep the integrity , most PVP populations dwindle in all games .

The rest of their reasons fall in line with some PVP players . Bad balance , lag and game recking loading screens .

Lythandra · March 2017

I don't find the game very well balanced at all and the pvp aspect even less so. Animation canceling lets you queue up multiple attacks and everyone just does to much damage to have a good tactical battle. Its to bad as I have enjoyed pvp in other mmos.

vamp_emily · March 2017

cjthibs wrote: »

What is a real PvE player?

Here are a few examples.

Real PvE players
Group is having a hard time in dungeon. They take a look at the situation, talk about it and then complete the dungeon. They all clap when task is complete.

Real PvE player
A healer is having a problem healing a group. A real PvE player will ask them, if there anything they need help with, and then offer some logical advise.

Real PvE player
Group is getting started and a player sees someone doesn't have high CP. Then says "We can do this, just let us know if you need any help".

PvP player Raging / Fake PvE player
Player ( PvPer ) joins a group in PvE and starts raging at everyone and calling people names.

PvP player Raging / Fake PvE player
A healer is having problems healing a group. Another player ( PvPer ) comes to the forum and tells healers to get out or start healing.

PvP player / Fake PvE player
Group is getting started and a player ( PvPer ) sees someone doesn't have high CP. They vote to kick.

ZOS_JohanaB · March 2017

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