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Rng Exposed
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Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Everything I run CoH for a lich staff, I always get a sharp fire lich staff or a precise frost staff. Same with my friend. How the *** is that rng lmao
DUDE I GOT 5 SHARPENED LICH INFERNO STAFFS never seen another flame staff with another trait on it
Ya rng LOL
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Raeph✭✭✭Hold on, we're talking unique named items?! Well that changes everything.
Yeah, I'm surprised you only got 8 in 300 runs then.3 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
[snip]
[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.3 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »I don't understand why people try to defend RNG in this game. RNG in this game is terribly broken, and comparing it to real world math/probability, is just foolish.
No, math is math. You can argue with having so much RNG in the game, but I would say that arguing that the rules of probability don't apply is foolish. You can't take the small sample sizes and draw conclusions. ZoS can see all the numbers and would have a much better picture of what is happening.
In a computer program that generate a RNG, math is not math. The program simulations is limited by the variables that are artificially put into it. When a weak variable is used, you get a garbage RNG.
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would dare to say that RNG in eso is rigged or it simply works on a "timer". I was for example doing some public dungeon to find some gear set pieces and I found like literary 9 the same set pieces with the same trait... I loged out and after like 4 h loged in - and repeated the dungeon several times - and AGAIN I found almost all the same 9 set pieces with the same trait (although different than those from previous grind).
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DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TheStealthDude wrote: »DannyLV702 wrote: »Everything I run CoH for a lich staff, I always get a sharp fire lich staff or a precise frost staff. Same with my friend. How the *** is that rng lmao
Because both of those are uniquely named set items and have a better weight in the loot table.
For reference:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shroud+of+the+Lich+Set
Is this really a hard concept? Named items will drop more, due to their weight.
Are sharp sunderflame restro staves named items too? Because I have 2 of those and 1 charged bsw fire staff and a sharp frost staff0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hold on, we're talking unique named items?! Well that changes everything.
Yeah, I'm surprised you only got 8 in 300 runs then.
Yeah he avoids the fact his RNG rant was wrong and would rather get into a pissing contest over the number of times he ran it instead. Convenient. He lost at both arguments and won't admit defeat.
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IronCrystal✭✭✭✭✭
✭rotaugen454 wrote: »I don't understand why people try to defend RNG in this game. RNG in this game is terribly broken, and comparing it to real world math/probability, is just foolish.
No, math is math. You can argue with having so much RNG in the game, but I would say that arguing that the rules of probability don't apply is foolish. You can't take the small sample sizes and draw conclusions. ZoS can see all the numbers and would have a much better picture of what is happening.
In a computer program that generate a RNG, math is not math. The program simulations is limited by the variables that are artificially put into it. When a weak variable is used, you get a garbage RNG.
Yeah, like you said. Usually RNG is really a complex algorithm that takes in one or more variables called a seed that are simply run through the algorithm. In programs such as Java and C++, it uses the current system timestamp, so it will appear to be changing constantly.
I don't know if ZOS uses different seeds than a system clock, but it would be interesting (although quite unfair) if they used user data for seeding.Make PC NA raiding great again!
Down with drama!
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Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
[snip]
[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.
Yes i understand that there are unique items and they should be rare i agree...
but you are failing to see the problem with receiving 8 straight flame staff with same trait..
Im not demanding sharpened to have dropped. But if u fail to notice that not getting ANY other trait ( training ,precise, infused, defending, etc ) is a failed rng then i dont know what to say.
I didnt get precise once
I didnt get defending once
I didnt get infused once
I didnt get powered once
I didnt get nirnhoned once
I didnt get decisive once
I didnt get sharpened once
I GOT 8 CHARGED STAFFS .
if you still dont get it then then i quit lolEdited by Ihatenightblades on March 16, 2017 1:59AM0 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
[snip]
[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.
Yes i understand that there are unique items and they should be rare i agree...
but you are failing to see the problem with receiving 8 straight flame staff with same trait..
Im not demanding sharpened to have dropped. But if u fail to notice that not getting ANY other trait ( training ,precise, infused, defending, etc ) is a failed rng then i dont know what to say.
I didnt get precise once
I didnt get defending once
I didnt get infused once
I didnt get powered once
I didnt get nirnhoned once
I didnt get decisive once
I didnt get sharpened once
I GOT 8 CHARGED STAFFS .
if you still dont get it then then i quit lol
Its called RANDOM.
Not guaranteed to be different.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
[snip]
[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.
Yes i understand that there are unique items and they should be rare i agree...
but you are failing to see the problem with receiving 8 straight flame staff with same trait..
Im not demanding sharpened to have dropped. But if u fail to notice that not getting ANY other trait ( training ,precise, infused, defending, etc ) is a failed rng then i dont know what to say.
I didnt get precise once
I didnt get defending once
I didnt get infused once
I didnt get powered once
I didnt get nirnhoned once
I didnt get decisive once
I didnt get sharpened once
I GOT 8 CHARGED STAFFS .
if you still dont get it then then i quit lol
Its called RANDOM.
Not guaranteed to be different.
you have been successfully indoctrinated
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Korinth✭✭✭RNG is the downfall of this game. I've never liked RNG. I would rather have a token system in place. You can make the grind somewhat long, but to know I'm going to get what I need is a plus.
Its not just the RNG, but the fact that if you want a specific item, with specific trait.... its like hitting the lottery if you get it.
Example... I want heavy armor of brahas curse with divines. You can get any range of armor (light, med, heavy)..and any range of traits.
Its just stupid how much grinding you have to do. At least allow us to change TRAITS for heavens sakes.
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Korinth✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Uhhh, flipping a coin isn't exactly equivalent unless there is only one kind of staff, and it only has 2 possible traits.
Thank you. People need to think before they speak lol.
There are 5 staffs with 9 traits each .
But i happened to get the SAME STAFF with the SAME TRAIT 8 times without getting something else?
Ya cool story about ur coin flip lol
Kinda like I have run Heists multiple times for the last two days to get the Thieves guild motif. Yesterday I got TWO legs and a chest, today I get 3 Shoulders.... really....and I have 18 chapters. This is just silly...0 -
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✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.
Yes i understand that there are unique items and they should be rare i agree...
but you are failing to see the problem with receiving 8 straight flame staff with same trait..
Im not demanding sharpened to have dropped. But if u fail to notice that not getting ANY other trait ( training ,precise, infused, defending, etc ) is a failed rng then i dont know what to say.
I didnt get precise once
I didnt get defending once
I didnt get infused once
I didnt get powered once
I didnt get nirnhoned once
I didnt get decisive once
I didnt get sharpened once
I GOT 8 CHARGED STAFFS .
if you still dont get it then then i quit lol
Its called RANDOM.
Not guaranteed to be different.
you have been successfully indoctrinated
Lol
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✭RNG is the downfall of this game. I've never liked RNG. I would rather have a token system in place. You can make the grind somewhat long, but to know I'm going to get what I need is a plus.
Its not just the RNG, but the fact that if you want a specific item, with specific trait.... its like hitting the lottery if you get it.
Example... I want heavy armor of brahas curse with divines. You can get any range of armor (light, med, heavy)..and any range of traits.
Its just stupid how much grinding you have to do. At least allow us to change TRAITS for heavens sakes.
Thats the thing i dont agree with people think i made this post to complain for tokens system.
I dont want that i like having rare items in the game it gives the game more longevity.
However my problem is i know 99.9% that some weapons simply dont exist..
There are weapons nobody has ever got that have been obtainable for months now.
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dpencil✭✭✭✭@Ihatenightblades How can you still not understand? Have you just not read the many replies?
A NAMED DROP ALWAYS COMES IN THE SAME TRAIT.
YOU GOT A NAMED DROP THAT ALWAYS COMES IN CHARGED. NOTHING SPECIAL.1 -
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✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »RNG is the downfall of this game. I've never liked RNG. I would rather have a token system in place. You can make the grind somewhat long, but to know I'm going to get what I need is a plus.
Its not just the RNG, but the fact that if you want a specific item, with specific trait.... its like hitting the lottery if you get it.
Example... I want heavy armor of brahas curse with divines. You can get any range of armor (light, med, heavy)..and any range of traits.
Its just stupid how much grinding you have to do. At least allow us to change TRAITS for heavens sakes.
Thats the thing i dont agree with people think i made this post to complain for tokens system.
I dont want that i like having rare items in the game it gives the game more longevity.
However my problem is i know 99.9% that some weapons simply dont exist..
There are weapons nobody has ever got that have been obtainable for months now.
I want a real RNG and a reset on it or something to make sure all weapons are dropping because right now clearly they are not
What you are talking about is weighted rng, where geting a certain item decreases the chance of getting that item again. Im all for it.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.
Yes i understand that there are unique items and they should be rare i agree...
but you are failing to see the problem with receiving 8 straight flame staff with same trait..
Im not demanding sharpened to have dropped. But if u fail to notice that not getting ANY other trait ( training ,precise, infused, defending, etc ) is a failed rng then i dont know what to say.
I didnt get precise once
I didnt get defending once
I didnt get infused once
I didnt get powered once
I didnt get nirnhoned once
I didnt get decisive once
I didnt get sharpened once
I GOT 8 CHARGED STAFFS .
if you still dont get it then then i quit lol
You are right, it's not random that you got 8 charged staves - because it is a named drop. If you ran 300 runs, you technically should have closer to 70-100 of them, rather than only 8, because of the nature of the named drop.Why be normal when you can be better?
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✭✭@Ihatenightblades How can you still not understand? Have you just not read the many replies?
A NAMED DROP ALWAYS COMES IN THE SAME TRAIT.
YOU GOT A NAMED DROP THAT ALWAYS COMES IN CHARGED. NOTHING SPECIAL.
He's not just talking about named drops. That was a single example0 -
dpencil✭✭✭✭He has yet to admit that he understands why he got 8 charged traits on a named weapon that always comes in charged, so it bears repeating.2
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✭@Ihatenightblades How can you still not understand? Have you just not read the many replies?
A NAMED DROP ALWAYS COMES IN THE SAME TRAIT.
YOU GOT A NAMED DROP THAT ALWAYS COMES IN CHARGED. NOTHING SPECIAL.
Did u not read my other comments saying how this happens in plenty occasions where it isnt a name drop?
Theres a serious problem with items that never drop..
Like it or not
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dpencil✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »So someone please explain how loot is "random"
So i ran darkshade one over 300 times this week. Im looking for sharpened lightning staff of netches or flame staff
The ONLY time i EVER get a destro staff it comes in CHARGED.
U telling me out of the atleast 300 runs i happened to get 8 charged flame staff.. NOTHING ELSE.
So if u think out of 300 runs and only one type of staff looted is rng then i dont know what to tell you
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[Edit title and content for politics]
So you ran it 42 times each day? I think your numbers are off.
Some days i didnt run it some daysOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Riga_Mortis wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I was trying to comment on your other thread, trying to again "prove" RNG is fake, but it looks like it got removed. For those that missed it, it was the same BS, but with a sharp axe of Sheer Venom in ICP.
You dont seem to understand that there are unique items that you will always get from each dungeon. Sharp Axe of Sheer Venom is one. Charge Inferno of Netch is another. They have nothing to do with your RNG from the final boss.
Here is your problem. Everyone on this thread agrees with you that RNG sucks in this game. The problem, is that you fail to comprehend what a unique drop is, and furthermore, you make ridiculous claims about the number of times your ran something. Sorry, but nobody believes you ran this place 300 times in a week.
Post a video of you running this dungeon "30 times in a few hours" and I will eat my words.
While you are at it, how about some screen shots of the staffs in question that you keep getting.
Iol I tried to post in that other thread of his aswell, I will wait for his RNG is fake part 3 thread.
Yeah, some people dont get it. What I really wish is that we would have a dungeon tracker under our achievement sections. That way people could actually link their number of runs. Every RNG rage thread seems to start with an outlandish claim about the number of clears of some piece of content. I have done VMA 500 times, etc. I am sure people have, but people dont understand that it weakens their argument signifcantly when it appears that they are lying through their teeth.
You arent farming normal solo as fast as he is claiming, and I cant imagine anyone being nice enough to help farm DC1 that many times for a trash set, let alone 3 people.
Who said i was finding people? I didnt even bother asking people to give it if they got it i Qeued as tank and it literaly takes no more than 2 min when u Q as tank.
I dont need to lie on a forum about anything ever lol no game is worth lying about but ya anyways like i said i have ran it atleast 300 times and got 8 chRged flame staffs. If u think thats normal rng cool i think its fake rng.
Obviously i know there is some sort of rng in this game.
My main point is i don't believe all items come in sharpened in this game. And not internationally.
I think they literally dont drop.
Until i see someone prove they have it im believing what i believe .
So now you ran it 40+ times in a day using groupfinder? The story just went from improbable to totally unbelievable. haha.
Edit:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Netch's+Touch+Set
Look at the link. Do you see Llothan's Burning Crutch? Does it look familiar? Again, this is a separate loot table.
Lol no need to argue with a pug who believes doing darkshade 1 on normal 300 times in aweek is impossible
If you want to get into a pissing contest of difficult PVE accomplishments with me in this game, I assure you that you will lose, but yeah, I am obviously just a stupid Pug. Gun to your head, I am sure you could run this place 300 times in a week. I just dont for one second believe that you did. Doing it with groupfinder as you suggested, makes it far more improbable. I queue as a tank all the time. The finder typicaly goes quick, but the runs frankly do not.
Also, as you still fail to grasp the concept of unique item drops, I am questioning whether your basic counting skills might be impaired as well.
After all this, I am still trying to figure out why anyone would farm this particular staff.
Your still in Lala land about how it's impossible to do it
"You Q usualy forms fast but the runs dont"
Lmao infamous line right there from a pug
My Dro-mAthra Destroyer title and multiple Flawless titles would beg to differ with that statement. Again, prove me wrong. Post a video of you using group finder to do say 10 runs in an hour (consistent with "30 runs in a few hours.") You on PC? Ill send you 500k if you can do that.
Hmm must have got carried if u struggle with darkshade 1 on normal LOL
You have obviously never done either if you think you can be carried through the hardest trial or the hardest SOLO content in the game.
Also, there is a huge difference between someone not being able to complete DC1, something I have done many times, and suggesting that perhaps you are exaggerating your numbers to prove a point.
Again. I agree 100% that RNG is beyond broken in this game. I just dont think posts like these do much to help the problem. You fail to understand how loot tables work, dont understand the concept of unique items, embellish your number of runs, and call people Pugs when they point this out.
Good luck out there bud. I hope you get the staff you are after. I am no stranger to a gear grind.
Yes i understand that there are unique items and they should be rare i agree...
but you are failing to see the problem with receiving 8 straight flame staff with same trait..
Im not demanding sharpened to have dropped. But if u fail to notice that not getting ANY other trait ( training ,precise, infused, defending, etc ) is a failed rng then i dont know what to say.
I didnt get precise once
I didnt get defending once
I didnt get infused once
I didnt get powered once
I didnt get nirnhoned once
I didnt get decisive once
I didnt get sharpened once
I GOT 8 CHARGED STAFFS .
if you still dont get it then then i quit lol
This quote from an hour ago shows you were still trying to argue wrongly for the "brokenness" of a named drop giving you the same trait every time, which it will always do, because it only comes in one trait. Do not try to dodge it. You were straight up wrong and arrogant about it too. The mature thing to do would be to fess up and admit that you were ignorant of this important fact. You are welcome to complain that rng hasn't been good to you but you've demonstrated no proof that there are items that should be on the loot table that are not.0 -
Volrion✭✭✭✭RNG is the downfall of this game. I've never liked RNG. I would rather have a token system in place. You can make the grind somewhat long, but to know I'm going to get what I need is a plus.
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@Ihatenightblades
Weapons have the lowest chance to drop. They compete with shields in the loot table and I believe they only drop from final boss and chests.
They also compete with jewlery, which has a higher chance to drop.
Drop rates for final bosses are approximately (very loose approximations. Actual drop-rates can probably be found buried in reddit or deep in the forums here. Good luck finding them):
25% - Named Drop
25% - Random Dungeon Ring (11% per)
25% - Random Dungeon Neck (11% per)
25% - Random Dungeon Weapon (2% for each weapon class. 0.666... for specific set within a class)
--Flame Staff
--Frost Staff
--Lightning Staff
--Sword
--Mace
--Axe
--Dagger
--Greatsword
--Maul
--Battleaxe
--Bow
--Shield
You want a specific weapon? Good luck with that!
You want a shield? Oh boy son...
You want a specific trait on your weapon? Well.. let's divide 0.66% by nine...
I'm still chasing after the mythical Lich sword and shield. More specifically a sharpened sword and reinforced shield.
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Bartdude✭✭✭artificial_blue wrote: »Actually, if you have a 1/100 chance of getting something and you do it 100 times, the odds of you getting that item at least once in those 100 times IS higher than if you did it once.
So what are the odds you get the item that has a 1% drop chance to drop (at least once) if you ran it 100 times?
1 - ((99/100)^100) = 0.633968
So 63% chance you get the item if you ran it 100 times. That is assuming every item has a 1% chance to drop and it is completely random.
Same thing with the lottery... The odds of you winning it (at least once in your life) the more times you play DO increase. But just not by very much.
This hits the nail on the head, we assume that everything has an equal chance to drop, IMO it's not.
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✭Don't worry OP I have killed countless bosses for the sharpened Necropotence, opened countless chests, treasure maps ect.
I still don't even have all pieces in divines
So I don't use that set yet
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✭✭✭They should just increase the drop chances across the entire game and make it so after 50-100 runs you get a token to choose whatever the **** you like as a reward.....
But ZO$ are too stubborn for that to ever happen. They would rather increase the number of items in the game diluting loot tables even more and giving everyone the big .I.PC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything1 -
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✭Darkshade Caverns:
7 unique items (7x1)
3 dropped armor sets x 9 traits (7x3x9)
3 dropped jewelry sets with 3 traits (3x3x3)
3 non-set armor types with 9 traits (3x7x3)
12 weapon types with 9 traits (12*9)
(7*3*9)+(3*3*3)+(3*7*3) + (12*9) + 7 = 1:394 chance that the item you want to get drops.
This is not to mean that if you run the dungeon 394 you have a better chance to get the item. You have the same odds on the 1st on that you do on the 1,000 run. Odds don't get better the more times you run, statistically, the previous run has no bearing on the current or the future run.
When you roll a dice, it is a 1:6 time every time, no matter how many times you roll it you don't have better odds of rolling a 4.
Edit I'm sure I am forgetting some,I think the actual odds of a dungeon are around 1:684 because of pots and garbage items as well.
So basically if you run with three friends who promise to share you can get your odds to 1:144.
If I saw the amount of sharpened inferno staffs of burning spell weave that drop and get sold or defined by people who don't care or don't want to use it, I would be ill.
This system is *** ridiculous.
Make weapons tradable.
Give weapons a chance to drop on each boss.
Increase the weapon drop rate.
Weight the drop rate for traits people actually want.
Put a vendor in each dungeon, kinda like IC dungeons but not so complicated and for the love of God not so RNG heavy.
That's five ideas that are not terrible complicated, come the eff on.
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