Facebook awards ZeniMax 500million in lawsuit

Orgrimar · February 2017

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-ordered-to-pay-zenimax-500-million-in-oculus-vr-lawsuit-verdict-2017-2

This has to be good news? More $$$ for Zeni? I also heard somebody from DOOM joined the zenimax team so sounds like a lot of good news and momentum for ZeniMax, hope ESO benefits from all this as well.

PS: bravo on the morrowind* announcement

Birdovic · February 2017

Marrowind? :0

Attackopsn · February 2017

LOL

Kendo12 · February 2017

Free xpac time..

Mashille · February 2017

Zenimax isn't the same as 'Zenimax Online Studios'

So just because Zenimax gets more money doesn't mean ZOS will receive any. However I guess it is possible.

technohic · February 2017

Birdovic wrote: »

Marrowind? :0

My dogs farts after eating a marrowbone.

Grunim · February 2017

The article you linked states that Facebook will appeal the verdict. In other words, I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.

Orgrimar · February 2017

Y'all hatin

Birdovic · February 2017

technohic wrote: »

Birdovic wrote: »

Marrowind? :0

My dogs farts after eating a marrowbone.

hehe

IronCrystal · February 2017

Business Insider terrible site...doesn't let you view with adblocker.

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2017

500 mil is a drop in the bucket to Zenimax. Its 1/4th of what they were seeking in damages. And Im pretty sure the article is talking about the parent company Zenimax and not ZOS.

Cimadon · February 2017

Isn't it Zenimax media that gets the money? In that case it wouldn't affect ESO.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2017

Its not good news at all, money isn't everything.

It just points out that the ID software division is now at a loss of really good devs and the lawsuit if you've ever worked for a corp who was under a big one, usually turns bad internally because people began to question others loyalty. For me it meant being laid off...hopefully thats not what it means for others around this but who knows.

All in all, we are consumers of video games so we should want the best device advancements to come without stuff like this.

While this shouldn't impact this game at all, I wouldn't suggest its a good thing its just a $500 mil order by the judge, not that ZO$ has received $500 mil. It maybe something stupid in the terms of how its paid so as of current, its great to see that this part is settled...what happens next will actually be what matters.

runagate · February 2017

Mashille wrote: »

Zenimax isn't the same as 'Zenimax Online Studios'

So just because Zenimax gets more money doesn't mean ZOS will receive any. However I guess it is possible.

Yeah it is.

Granted, there's an overarching set of companies all controlled by the same entity which I will not bore you with. But in this case they're the same thing.

Also, I'm surprised FB is bothering to appeal it. The amount of money is like 5 seconds of advertising revenue for them.

Balamoor · February 2017

I knew they would win.....it's chump change considering the 4 billion asking. Zen should get a part of Rift profits.....the good news is now maybe Zen will start working on VR integration for more of it's games I play ESO in VR with some avalible software and addons and it's awesome.

Siekobilly_ESO · February 2017

runagate wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

Zenimax isn't the same as 'Zenimax Online Studios'

So just because Zenimax gets more money doesn't mean ZOS will receive any. However I guess it is possible.

Yeah it is.

Granted, there's an overarching set of companies all controlled by the same entity which I will not bore you with. But in this case they're the same thing.

Also, I'm surprised FB is bothering to appeal it. The amount of money is like 5 seconds of advertising revenue for them.

Actually it isn't. Zenimax Media, the entity in the lawsuit, is the parent company of Zenimax Online Studios. Money for Zenimax Media doesn't necessarily translate to money for ZOS. Just like the money made by the parent company for whom I work doesn't mean the subsidiary I work for is fine. We do not get our budget from the parent company, but from our own.

I think this ruling is both good, and bad. It's good because it means justice, assuming the assertions made by Zenimax are true, and it's bad because it could have a significant negative impact on the VR market. I can't personally do VR because of motion sickness issues, but I never like to see things fail in the video game market.

Qyrk · February 2017

Umm guys,

Money from parent company like Zenimax Media will NOT trickle down to its subsidiaries. It is separate books. People from business knows that.

This doesn't affect ZOS and to an extent ESO at all.

runagate · February 2017

Siekobilly_ESO wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

Zenimax isn't the same as 'Zenimax Online Studios'

So just because Zenimax gets more money doesn't mean ZOS will receive any. However I guess it is possible.

Yeah it is.

Granted, there's an overarching set of companies all controlled by the same entity which I will not bore you with. But in this case they're the same thing.

Also, I'm surprised FB is bothering to appeal it. The amount of money is like 5 seconds of advertising revenue for them.

Actually it isn't. Zenimax Media, the entity in the lawsuit, is the parent company of Zenimax Online Studios. Money for Zenimax Media doesn't necessarily translate to money for ZOS. Just like the money made by the parent company for whom I work doesn't mean the subsidiary I work for is fine. We do not get our budget from the parent company, but from our own.

I think this ruling is both good, and bad. It's good because it means justice, assuming the assertions made by Zenimax are true, and it's bad because it could have a significant negative impact on the VR market. I can't personally do VR because of motion sickness issues, but I never like to see things fail in the video game market.

Actually, it is. In fact it was emphasized to me, in person, repeatedly how they won't let ESO fail at launch due to the sheer amount of money they have committed to keep it going til it works, and how they are the same thing, regardless of various subsets using different names. I rather got sick of hearing it, actually.

FleetwoodSmack · February 2017

Qyrk wrote: »

Umm guys,

Money from parent company like Zenimax Media will NOT trickle down to its subsidiaries. It is separate books. People from business knows that.

This doesn't affect ZOS and to an extent ESO at all.

Pretty much this. Besides, it's not even relevant to ESO. :I

bubbygink · February 2017

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

500 mil is a drop in the bucket to Zenimax. Its 1/4th of what they were seeking in damages. And Im pretty sure the article is talking about the parent company Zenimax and not ZOS.

Yea $500 million is such a "drop in the bucket" to a company which is only valued at $2.5 billion. The judgment is equivalent to just 1/5 of their entire equity, practically irrelevant! /s

It is amazing how many people on this forum just pull stuff out of thin air when talking about how "profitable" or "valuable" ZoS (or in this case its parent company) is.

Gilvoth · February 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

money isn't everything.

"Gold is the Dwemer Oil of ESO society"

and LOT's of it helps society run smoothly and comfortably.

Siekobilly_ESO · February 2017

runagate wrote: »

Siekobilly_ESO wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

Zenimax isn't the same as 'Zenimax Online Studios'

So just because Zenimax gets more money doesn't mean ZOS will receive any. However I guess it is possible.

Yeah it is.

Granted, there's an overarching set of companies all controlled by the same entity which I will not bore you with. But in this case they're the same thing.

Also, I'm surprised FB is bothering to appeal it. The amount of money is like 5 seconds of advertising revenue for them.

Actually it isn't. Zenimax Media, the entity in the lawsuit, is the parent company of Zenimax Online Studios. Money for Zenimax Media doesn't necessarily translate to money for ZOS. Just like the money made by the parent company for whom I work doesn't mean the subsidiary I work for is fine. We do not get our budget from the parent company, but from our own.

I think this ruling is both good, and bad. It's good because it means justice, assuming the assertions made by Zenimax are true, and it's bad because it could have a significant negative impact on the VR market. I can't personally do VR because of motion sickness issues, but I never like to see things fail in the video game market.

Actually, it is. In fact it was emphasized to me, in person, repeatedly how they won't let ESO fail at launch due to the sheer amount of money they have committed to keep it going til it works, and how they are the same thing, regardless of various subsets using different names. I rather got sick of hearing it, actually.

Right. ZM invested in the success of ESO at launch. This still doesn't mean that money currently being made by ZM, via lawsuit or otherwise, will have any impact on ZOS, or by extension ESO. The fact remains that ZOS is a subsidiary of ZM, and they are not the same business entity. Branches (or divisions), and subsidiaries are distinctly different in the business world in that a branch/division is part of the same entity, but a subsidiary is not. ZM not wanting ZOS to fail does not change this fact, and it does not guarantee that any money made by ZM will trickle down to ZOS.

Qyrk · February 2017

runagate wrote: »

Siekobilly_ESO wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

Zenimax isn't the same as 'Zenimax Online Studios'

So just because Zenimax gets more money doesn't mean ZOS will receive any. However I guess it is possible.

Yeah it is.

Granted, there's an overarching set of companies all controlled by the same entity which I will not bore you with. But in this case they're the same thing.

Also, I'm surprised FB is bothering to appeal it. The amount of money is like 5 seconds of advertising revenue for them.

Actually it isn't. Zenimax Media, the entity in the lawsuit, is the parent company of Zenimax Online Studios. Money for Zenimax Media doesn't necessarily translate to money for ZOS. Just like the money made by the parent company for whom I work doesn't mean the subsidiary I work for is fine. We do not get our budget from the parent company, but from our own.

I think this ruling is both good, and bad. It's good because it means justice, assuming the assertions made by Zenimax are true, and it's bad because it could have a significant negative impact on the VR market. I can't personally do VR because of motion sickness issues, but I never like to see things fail in the video game market.

Actually, it is. In fact it was emphasized to me, in person, repeatedly how they won't let ESO fail at launch due to the sheer amount of money they have committed to keep it going til it works, and how they are the same thing, regardless of various subsets using different names. I rather got sick of hearing it, actually.

ZM and ZOS are different business. ZOS is a subsidiary and in the business world, what the parent company makes DO NOT get shared to its subsidiaries.

JamieAubrey · February 2017

Cancels ESO+ they no longer need my £8 a month xD

Untidy1 · February 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

I knew they would win.....it's chump change considering the 4 billion asking. Zen should get a part of Rift profits.....the good news is now maybe Zen will start working on VR integration for more of it's games I play ESO in VR with some avalible software and addons and it's awesome.

LOL! I doubt ZeniMax has any real ability to develop VR. It all left their company when Carmack left it. They are nothing but a corporate leech trying to suck money out of Facebook for something they had nothing to do with.

One thing the trial proved beyond a doubt was that Occulus did not use any code or any technology that was in any way developed or owned by ZeniMax. Carmack came out of it all completely clean because nothing at all was taken from ZeniMax when he left. It all hinged on the fact that he misappropriated trade secrets and destroyed evidence, but it was shown that he did no such thing.

The bulk of the judgment was simply from the fact that Occulus was found liable for breaking a non-disclosure agreement. There was also some charges of trademark infringement from them briefly using some logo they shouldn't have.

It's a great success for ZeniMax since they got a good pile of money for nothing, but it's no win for VR in any way shape or form since Occulus is the innovator there.

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Publius_Scipio · February 2017

Zenimax the parent company was awarded the compensation. Facebook/Oculus suffered a small defeat.

A irl dwarven colossus paid Zuckerberg an unexpected visit recently one night. We now know the results.

[Deleted User] · February 2017

Hello everyone,

This post is to let you know that we've felt it necessary to close this thread. The reason being that it's a bit off topic for the ESO forums, and the only trial in ESO is trial by combat! That's not true there is actually a rich judicial system in Tamriel, though this event does not relate to this

Feel free to discuss anything related to legal actions that take part in Tamriel if you wish, such as the bill to make killing livestock in towns a criminal offense that became a law maybe.

Thank you for understanding!