Guild Auctions of vanity pet codes and such, BANNABLE OFFENCE!?

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

i see alot in big trading guilds
there is weekly raffles and auctions where people can bid on different items
and codes for old pets among em (brown pig for example)
and people paying alot ingame gold for them!

but its against the rulers actually!!

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

Question @ZOS_GinaBruno : Would it be against the TOS to sell one of these codes for in-game gold?

Yes. You can give the codes away but you may not sell them for in game gold or real money.

@ZOS_DaryaK this winners will be punished? or Guild Leaders? its knowing people in the community, everyone know them, i will not namin-shaming but still
you will ban them for that auctions?

im not a snitch i will not report them in game because im thinking its too much, this ruler must be reviewed IMO

Brrrofski · December 2016

Absolute definition of a snitch...

BlackEar · December 2016

It is against the TOS. Only ZOS is allowed to take money (and even real money) from people with gambling problems.

ArchMikem · December 2016

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

im not a snitch

Which makes you an accessory.

FoolishHuman · December 2016

You should either report them or not. Having a discussion about it won't do anything.

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

FoolishHuman wrote: »

You should either report them or not. Having a discussion about it won't do anything.

its alot people, you know

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

The way I look at it, and I'm purely going on the amount of bots i see in the same spots for weeks on end, if ZoS can't be bothered policing their own game even when the accounts in question have been reported dozens of times, then I'm not going to waste a second of my time policing the game for them. If they can't be bothered then why should you bother?

Enslaved · December 2016

I support discussions about matters like this. It does not matter if I agree or disagree with it, but there is no naming and shaming or anything in OP post but concern about what is seen as non ethical business that ruins the guild for him.

I can only say that if I am not satisfied with a guild policy, I will not spend a single second there. Guilds I am in have my full support, I agree with the way they are conducted, I like the rules that some have ( like only EP players allowed or similar), and that is the sole reason I am in these guilds in the first place.

We had auctions too, but it was based more like donations to guild bank. And all the coin went into siege weaponry for PvP that we all participate in. Some of the stuff that donors got in return were just a way for the guild to show them that we care about what they did for all of us.

Also, whoever take a loan from the bank returns it back with at least few coins more that he took in the first place. It is not mandatory, but that is how we like to do stuff. I guess there will be quite a few withdraws from bank when housing goes live, lol.

AdamBourke · December 2016

There a codes for individual crown store items?

How can you get them (officially)? Are they from events or promos or something?

In any case, I think in the EU there is a statutory right to sell/resell things (with some exceptions) though - so it would be interesting to know if that conflicts with the ZOS TOS... although presumably if it's organised inside the game, ZOS is allowed to prevent it. If it's organised outside the game... they probably wouldn't know anyway.

AzraelKrieg · December 2016

AdamBourke wrote: »

There a codes for individual crown store items?

How can you get them (officially)? Are they from events or promos or something?

In any case, I think in the EU there is a statutory right to sell/resell things (with some exceptions) though - so it would be interesting to know if that conflicts with the ZOS TOS... although presumably if it's organised inside the game, ZOS is allowed to prevent it. If it's organised outside the game... they probably wouldn't know anyway.

These are codes for items that don't appear in the crown store and are usually given out by ZOS during events such E3, TwitchCon or QuakeCon.

Shad0wfire99 · December 2016

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

i see alot in big trading guilds
there is weekly raffles and auctions where people can bid on different items
and codes for old pets among em (brown pig for example)
and people paying alot ingame gold for them!

but its against the rulers actually!!

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

Question @ZOS_GinaBruno : Would it be against the TOS to sell one of these codes for in-game gold?

Yes. You can give the codes away but you may not sell them for in game gold or real money.

@ZOS_DaryaK this winners will be punished? or Guild Leaders? its knowing people in the community, everyone know them, i will not namin-shaming but still
you will ban them for that auctions?

im not a snitch i will not report them in game because im thinking its too much, this ruler must be reviewed IMO

You absolutely are a snitch.

jarrandub17_ESO · December 2016

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

You absolutely are a snitch.

ROFL!

Bad_Company · December 2016

@EnviousStruggle If witnessing said things is enough to make you question whether or not they are bannable offenses, then you should either ignore them or report them. There's no in-between. A ZOS employee could read this and consider you an accessory, a person of interest. You already are a "snitch", be the kind of person that does good by the community and the game, instead of speaking hypothetically.

Runs · December 2016

The codes she was specifically commenting on where that quote was taken were the Imperial Digital Upgrade pack codes. Maybe the rule applies to all codes or maybe just Imperial/Explorers codes.

Personally though...

I see guild auctions and raffles as donations and let's be honest that's what they are. How many times have you seen really good deals? Usually the items get over bid on because we know or believe the gold is going to a good cause(our trader).

Also, has the item ever been successfully won? Often times there are far too few people participating in the auctions and the person who donated the items will be the same person who "wins" with the highest bid. These are also usually the same people who win raffles because it's usually only a handful of people who spend time and effort to keep the guild afloat.

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

i saw Bristlepug Pig or smthing was sold for 600k gold on that auctions

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

Runs wrote: »

The codes she was specifically commenting on where that quote was taken were the Imperial Digital Upgrade pack codes. Maybe the rule applies to all codes or maybe just Imperial/Explorers codes.

Personally though...

I see guild auctions and raffles as donations and let's be honest that's what they are. How many times have you seen really good deals? Usually the items get over bid on because we know or believe the gold is going to a good cause(our trader).

Also, has the item ever been successfully won? Often times there are far too few people participating in the auctions and the person who donated the items will be the same person who "wins" with the highest bid. These are also usually the same people who win raffles because it's usually only a handful of people who spend time and effort to keep the guild afloat.

fair comment
@ZOS_DaryaK what you think about all this?

Mike0987 · December 2016

They can't seem to even stop the gold for cash websites from spamming in area chat and email and you expect that they will research and enforce this?

ManwithBeard9 · December 2016

If it's bought with real money and sold for in game gold, that would be bannable for gold selling. If it's a FREE code for something NOT PURCHASED, it can't be considered gold selling.

Phinix1 · December 2016

BlackEar wrote: »

It is against the TOS. Only ZOS is allowed to take money (and even real money) from people with gambling problems.

10/10, would tongue in cheek again!

Reverb · December 2016

EnviousStruggle wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

The codes she was specifically commenting on where that quote was taken were the Imperial Digital Upgrade pack codes. Maybe the rule applies to all codes or maybe just Imperial/Explorers codes.

Personally though...

I see guild auctions and raffles as donations and let's be honest that's what they are. How many times have you seen really good deals? Usually the items get over bid on because we know or believe the gold is going to a good cause(our trader).

Also, has the item ever been successfully won? Often times there are far too few people participating in the auctions and the person who donated the items will be the same person who "wins" with the highest bid. These are also usually the same people who win raffles because it's usually only a handful of people who spend time and effort to keep the guild afloat.

fair comment
@ZOS_DaryaK what you think about all this?

Stop, just stop. Ask yourself, and be honest, what are you hoping to accomplish with this thread, and by tagging one of the forum mods? Surely you must know that they only have authority over forum activities, not in game actions or policies. The above comment from her is just paying lip service to the ToS, she can't take any action outside of these forums, and her opinion on the policy honestly does not matter, to us, or to the bosses at Zeni.

Stop with this passive aggressive "I'm not a snitch, but I'm snitching so please pay attention and do something about this" bs.

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

If it's bought with real money and sold for in game gold, that would be bannable for gold selling. If it's a FREE code for something NOT PURCHASED, it can't be considered gold selling.

lol
and how you can check this?
and also it doesnt matter ZOS said its violation in any case

ZOS_Ragnar · December 2016

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