From a Plus Subscriber: Just give everybody the crafting bag!

JKorr · November 2016

Soundwave wrote: »

If crafting bags were available to everyone, what the point of bag space and bank space

:looks at the many pieces of many sets now accumulating in the bank: Um...now that pieces of gear/jewelry/weapons are guaranteed to drop from activities other than trials and pvp, pieces accumulate. I'm looking for three separate sets for three characters. My bank space is NOT going unused because I have the crafting bag.

BRogueNZ · November 2016

Emptied mine and 90% of my inventory
Bought Orsinium and cancelled my sub.
A return of micro-management the mini game.
Not that fun but its at least as entertaining as watching people farm each other all night.

JKorr · November 2016

Sinolai wrote: »

I have been playing this game a little over 2 years and never subscribed. Not becouse I had something against ZOS or I wouldn't want to support the game. I just find it easier to control my life when I don't have to think that I am wasting paid game time when I am going out with my friends or doing pretty much anything else than playing ESO. I buy Crowns every now and then, have bought all the DLCs (+Imperial edition & Adventure Pack) and some nice cosmetic stuff from the Crown Store.

I was a bit disappointed when I heard Craftingbag is only avaliable to Subscribers. @ValkynSketha I have fully upgraded bank and 3 mule characters with fully upgraded bag. Yet I am still running with 15-10 inventory slots, which indeed is the reason why I leave bugs into crafting nodes and green & blue weapons/armor pieces into chests. I don't want to be constantly deleting them. (I have to admit I am a bit of a hoarder and have saved many sets that I probably wont ever use and some "Mementos").

If a crafting bag was avaliable in Crown Store I'd be ready to pay 5K crowns for it without second thoughts. (possibly even more but I would starting wondering wether ZOS' is having economic crisis or if they are just greedy )

You do realize that you can decon the blues and greens for mats and tempers? Even without the crafting bag, I'd pick up the not white stuff for decon. I'd take the white stuff to decon for experience and mats if I had room..

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I refuse to pick up a "Ta" from any runestone.

I have an eso + sub, so I have the bag.

1st point proven false.

I have over 1k "Ta" that's the real issue. Too much junk that never gets used, has no value, and pointless.

I keep sending /feedback about starting a Mage's guild exchange; npc Mage will take X number of Ta runes to give you a green rune in exchange/ X+50 or 100 or 200 Ta runes for a blue/ X+500 or more Ta for purple and so on for gold. It would be one way to get rid of the over 2000 Ta runes I have.

Sinolai · November 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Sinolai wrote: »

I have been playing this game a little over 2 years and never subscribed. Not becouse I had something against ZOS or I wouldn't want to support the game. I just find it easier to control my life when I don't have to think that I am wasting paid game time when I am going out with my friends or doing pretty much anything else than playing ESO. I buy Crowns every now and then, have bought all the DLCs (+Imperial edition & Adventure Pack) and some nice cosmetic stuff from the Crown Store.

I was a bit disappointed when I heard Craftingbag is only avaliable to Subscribers. @ValkynSketha I have fully upgraded bank and 3 mule characters with fully upgraded bag. Yet I am still running with 15-10 inventory slots, which indeed is the reason why I leave bugs into crafting nodes and green & blue weapons/armor pieces into chests. I don't want to be constantly deleting them. (I have to admit I am a bit of a hoarder and have saved many sets that I probably wont ever use and some "Mementos").

If a crafting bag was avaliable in Crown Store I'd be ready to pay 5K crowns for it without second thoughts. (possibly even more but I would starting wondering wether ZOS' is having economic crisis or if they are just greedy )

Leaving anything behind is selfish, it would be quicker for you to delete the stuff you don't want faster then a node will refill.

I am not usually farming the same nodes & chests all over again. I just pick them up when I come across them on my way to do something else, as such, I have no need for the node to respawn faster. I believe they will respawn in 5 mins if only some of the items were taken? And I doubt it's faster to [Open bag - Search for Crawlers/Worms/Ancestor silk boots/ Rubedite cuirass /ect. - right click - press delete - press e - close bag] than just [press e] once when picking up the node. If you are unlucy your bag is full already when you try to pick up the next node and someone steals it when you are deleting worms.

JKorr · November 2016

Sinolai wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Sinolai wrote: »

I have been playing this game a little over 2 years and never subscribed. Not becouse I had something against ZOS or I wouldn't want to support the game. I just find it easier to control my life when I don't have to think that I am wasting paid game time when I am going out with my friends or doing pretty much anything else than playing ESO. I buy Crowns every now and then, have bought all the DLCs (+Imperial edition & Adventure Pack) and some nice cosmetic stuff from the Crown Store.

I was a bit disappointed when I heard Craftingbag is only avaliable to Subscribers. @ValkynSketha I have fully upgraded bank and 3 mule characters with fully upgraded bag. Yet I am still running with 15-10 inventory slots, which indeed is the reason why I leave bugs into crafting nodes and green & blue weapons/armor pieces into chests. I don't want to be constantly deleting them. (I have to admit I am a bit of a hoarder and have saved many sets that I probably wont ever use and some "Mementos").

If a crafting bag was avaliable in Crown Store I'd be ready to pay 5K crowns for it without second thoughts. (possibly even more but I would starting wondering wether ZOS' is having economic crisis or if they are just greedy )

Leaving anything behind is selfish, it would be quicker for you to delete the stuff you don't want faster then a node will refill.

I am not usually farming the same nodes & chests all over again. I just pick them up when I come across them on my way to do something else, as such, I have no need for the node to respawn faster. I believe they will respawn in 5 mins if only some of the items were taken? And I doubt it's faster to [Open bag - Search for Crawlers/Worms/Ancestor silk boots/ Rubedite cuirass /ect. - right click - press delete - press e - close bag] than just [press e] once when picking up the node. If you are unlucy your bag is full already when you try to pick up the next node and someone steals it when you are deleting worms.

That's why you delete the worms right after you pick up the node, BEFORE you go on to the next one. Once the stuff is in your inventory, no one can steal anything.

Erock25 · November 2016

I'd immediately unsub if it weren't for the crafting bag so that's why they'll never sell it separately.

White wabbit · November 2016

YeOldeGamer wrote: »

If they did I would probably un-sub.

Erock25 wrote: »

I'd immediately unsub if it weren't for the crafting bag so that's why they'll never sell it separately.

Don't think you would be the only one as I would unsub too this is why I can't see it happening

Armitas · November 2016

It's such a good non P2W reason to sub though. My sub ends in a few weeks and I am already dreading the idea of not having it. I think they should include PvP in the bag and make it so you can store siege in there. That would bring more importance to the PvP community as they would then be a source of income.

White wabbit · November 2016

Armitas wrote: »

It's such a good non P2W reason to sub though. My sub ends in a few weeks and I am already dreading the idea of not having it. I think they should include PvP in the bag and make it so you can store siege in there. That would bring more importance to the PvP community as they would then be a source of income.

Sir I salute you ! This is something that annoys me having space wasted by siege

Doomslinger781 · November 2016

When can we just do away with low-quality of life design, with paid upgrades to make a product less frustrating?

"Give us extra money, or playing our game is going to be a pain in the a$$" - short-sighted corporate

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2016

Circuitous wrote: »

I approve of the Crafting Bag being a purchasable item, probably in the 5,000 Crown range.

Something about the Craft Bag's tooltip leads me to believe this is something they intended to do eventually...

"ESO Plus Unlocked" instead of simply "Unlocked".

Also, for the love of Zenithar, despawn nodes that have been partially harvested. Or allow items in nodes to be dragged out and instantly destroyed by people who don't want them.

That would eliminate any need to Sub up at all. Which would be counter to why the Crafting Bag is ESO+ Exclusive. You and the OP seem to have a very disjointed understanding of why ZOS has made the decision that they have. Changing their minds and just giving out the Crafting Bags for 5000 Crowns with would be something like 35 US Dollars would be financial suicide. Especially when they currently receive 15 dollars every month indefinitely. So youre asking ZOS to accept 35 dollars worth of Crowns over the indefinite 15 dollars every month.

Niaver · November 2016

I really want to buy it in Crown Store, but it won't happen ifaik.
Crafting mats takes all my bank (almost 200), and i needed to create a character just to collect BoP gear... Note: i don't even store any Provisioning or Alchemy mats, just Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Woodworking, also Enchantment.
Sometimes it's more like a work then a game.

White wabbit · November 2016

Let's put it in easy terms I don't sub due to this !
10% Bonus gold gain, experience, crafting research, and crafting inspiration.
But for crafting bags and a small point the dye stamps I do sub , so take away the crafting bag then I see no point to sub anymore

TequilaFire · November 2016

Simplest solution is to makes it mandatory to take all from a node unless your inventory is full.
Stops the trolls or the ignorant.

tonemd · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

It's such a good non P2W reason to sub though. My sub ends in a few weeks and I am already dreading the idea of not having it. I think they should include PvP in the bag and make it so you can store siege in there. That would bring more importance to the PvP community as they would then be a source of income.

Sir I salute you ! This is something that annoys me having space wasted by siege

Agree, there is no good reason why siege weapons do not stack.

Doomslinger781 · November 2016

People taking on a monthly bill to circumvent the designed frustration of a vanilla product... not gonna do it.

"yes we'll beg for a one time payment!"

(problem/reaction/solution playbook 101)

BlanketFort · November 2016

Yeah... no.
Not even a lesser/limited version of it.
In contradiction to what you said, there are people who have subbed JUST for the crafting bag, like myself. I'd be front and Center waving my red hot angry knickers if ZOS would just give it away for free.
As someone said above, it was meant as an incentive and should stay that way (behind the sub wall). If ZOS wants an uproar, then they should do exactly as you suggested.

And yes, I have played the inventory mini-game before crafting bags existed.

EDITED: changed my mind. Even lesser variations of the Bag of Holding should not be offered either via in-game gold or crown store.

Runs · November 2016

There is currently a non-subscriber limited items craftbag on sale now for $9.99.

deevoh1991 · November 2016

Or give more bag space, It's ridiculous if I have to keep throwing out all my craft mats because I want to decons some purple items for their Purple upgrade mats/Research.
I had to throw out 150+Rubedo leathers the other day and I was like

ItsGlaive · November 2016

Currently the crafting bag is hands down the best encouragement for subscription. Start to chip away at it - either through incremental slots bought in the cash shop, a "lesser" crafting bag or some other compromise, and you start to chip away at people's reasons for subscribing.

I'm all for making inventory management easier for non-subs, but if they do, they'd need to come up with something else to replace it for sub only.

notimetocare · November 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

From a fellow ESO + Subscriber. Please dont listen to the OP ZOS. He's fallen and hit his head.

Nah he probably wants to unsub and keep his perks

Delimber · November 2016

You can have 8 toons for free, make one a pack mule or buy slots for extra toons and make them pack mules.

lagrue · November 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

From a fellow ESO + Subscriber. Please dont listen to the OP ZOS. He's fallen and hit his head.

Nah he probably wants to unsub and keep his perks

Unsub? I have 18 months subscription left already paid for lmao.... I was an ESO Plus user even before crafting bag.

Has nothing to do with that - I'm just genuinely sick of picking up people's garbage from nodes and I can see one main reason they do it is limited inventory.

I know that I no longer give a damn with the crafting bag, I press Square and take all - whereas once upon a time I probably would have left worms too.

Regardless, I can see my idea was poorly received - so we can end this thread now. I get it, you guys don't want it, fair enough.

ChildOfLight · January 2017

Niaver wrote: »

I really want to buy it in Crown Store, but it won't happen ifaik.
Crafting mats takes all my bank (almost 200), and i needed to create a character just to collect BoP gear... Note: i don't even store any Provisioning or Alchemy mats, just Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Woodworking, also Enchantment.
Sometimes it's more like a work then a game.

Doomslinger781 wrote: »

When can we just do away with low-quality of life design, with paid upgrades to make a product less frustrating?

"Give us extra money, or playing our game is going to be a pain in the a$$" - short-sighted corporate

Actually this.

Sub-friends just think people not subbing are only paesants that want everything for free.
While hey, they need to get an extremely helpfull perk (to the limit of the game breaking feature) just because they spend 15 € per months.

I just pay globally more than that as a non-sub. And probably even more than most of you subber-friends. To support the game basically.

So why don t I sub? I suppose you could ask.
Because I can't play every months or every week. I just play when I can. But this does not mean I am not supporting the game. I just want to play with the crafting bag avaible for everyone (or for no one, it's the same) because I want the same oppurtuny for every player.

Zos should have used the merchant and the banker assistants as only-plus-avaible perks. Those are usefull stuff for sure, but not game-breaking as the Crafting bag.

White wabbit · January 2017

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

I really want to buy it in Crown Store, but it won't happen ifaik.
Crafting mats takes all my bank (almost 200), and i needed to create a character just to collect BoP gear... Note: i don't even store any Provisioning or Alchemy mats, just Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Woodworking, also Enchantment.
Sometimes it's more like a work then a game.

Doomslinger781 wrote: »

When can we just do away with low-quality of life design, with paid upgrades to make a product less frustrating?

"Give us extra money, or playing our game is going to be a pain in the a$$" - short-sighted corporate

Actually this.

Sub-friends just think people not subbing are only paesants that want everything for free.
While hey, they need to get an extremely helpfull perk (to the limit of the game breaking feature) just because they spend 15 € per months.

I just pay globally more than that as a non-sub. And probably even more than most of you subber-friends. To support the game basically.

So why don t I sub? I suppose you could ask.
Because I can't play every months or every week. I just play when I can. But this does not mean I am not supporting the game. I just want to play with the crafting bag avaible for everyone (or for no one, it's the same) because I want the same oppurtuny for every player.

Zos should have used the merchant and the banker assistants as only-plus-avaible perks. Those are usefull stuff for sure, but not game-breaking as the Crafting bag.

Bring an Eso plus member I would say having the banker or merchant as a Eso plus perk wouldn't be much of a perk and I can say that as I have the banker and it isn't that great , I think Zos did the right thing by making the crafting bag one of the perks

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

BlanketFort wrote: »

Yeah... no.
Not even a lesser/limited version of it.
In contradiction to what you said, there are people who have subbed JUST for the crafting bag, like myself. I'd be front and Center waving my red hot angry knickers if ZOS would just give it away for free.
As someone said above, it was meant as an incentive and should stay that way (behind the sub wall). If ZOS wants an uproar, then they should do exactly as you suggested.

And yes, I have played the inventory mini-game before crafting bags existed.

EDITED: changed my mind. Even lesser variations of the Bag of Holding should not be offered either via in-game gold or crown store.

I wouldn't get angry whatsoever. In fact, I'd prefer a purchasable bag as that means a one off 5k purchase (just an assumption, but £24) to how much i'm currently paying for a monthly service. Does anyone actually sub for any other reason? The crowns used to be ok-ish, but there's been next to nothing good on the CS for months and months now. Mostly all the items that now appear on the CS are aimed at those who will buy any old garbage (emotes, trinkets and very expensive motifs).

ChildOfLight · January 2017

White wabbit wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

I really want to buy it in Crown Store, but it won't happen ifaik.
Crafting mats takes all my bank (almost 200), and i needed to create a character just to collect BoP gear... Note: i don't even store any Provisioning or Alchemy mats, just Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Woodworking, also Enchantment.
Sometimes it's more like a work then a game.

Doomslinger781 wrote: »

When can we just do away with low-quality of life design, with paid upgrades to make a product less frustrating?

"Give us extra money, or playing our game is going to be a pain in the a$$" - short-sighted corporate

Actually this.

Sub-friends just think people not subbing are only paesants that want everything for free.
While hey, they need to get an extremely helpfull perk (to the limit of the game breaking feature) just because they spend 15 € per months.

I just pay globally more than that as a non-sub. And probably even more than most of you subber-friends. To support the game basically.

So why don t I sub? I suppose you could ask.
Because I can't play every months or every week. I just play when I can. But this does not mean I am not supporting the game. I just want to play with the crafting bag avaible for everyone (or for no one, it's the same) because I want the same oppurtuny for every player.

Zos should have used the merchant and the banker assistants as only-plus-avaible perks. Those are usefull stuff for sure, but not game-breaking as the Crafting bag.

Bring an Eso plus member I would say having the banker or merchant as a Eso plus perk wouldn't be much of a perk and I can say that as I have the banker and it isn't that great , I think Zos did the right thing by making the crafting bag one of the perks

What you say is quite inconsistent.

Now that you have the crafting bag is quite clear that you (being able to choose) would not trade it for anything.
Nothing compare with the crafting bag in terms of advantage over the other players. So it was not the right decision or the most long sighted one.

The merchant and banker assistants, on the other hand, are usefull stuff. Very handy but at the same time not game-breaking for whom don't have them.

White wabbit · January 2017

ChildOfLight wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Niaver wrote: »

I really want to buy it in Crown Store, but it won't happen ifaik.
Crafting mats takes all my bank (almost 200), and i needed to create a character just to collect BoP gear... Note: i don't even store any Provisioning or Alchemy mats, just Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Woodworking, also Enchantment.
Sometimes it's more like a work then a game.

Doomslinger781 wrote: »

When can we just do away with low-quality of life design, with paid upgrades to make a product less frustrating?

"Give us extra money, or playing our game is going to be a pain in the a$$" - short-sighted corporate

Actually this.

Sub-friends just think people not subbing are only paesants that want everything for free.
While hey, they need to get an extremely helpfull perk (to the limit of the game breaking feature) just because they spend 15 € per months.

I just pay globally more than that as a non-sub. And probably even more than most of you subber-friends. To support the game basically.

So why don t I sub? I suppose you could ask.
Because I can't play every months or every week. I just play when I can. But this does not mean I am not supporting the game. I just want to play with the crafting bag avaible for everyone (or for no one, it's the same) because I want the same oppurtuny for every player.

Zos should have used the merchant and the banker assistants as only-plus-avaible perks. Those are usefull stuff for sure, but not game-breaking as the Crafting bag.

Bring an Eso plus member I would say having the banker or merchant as a Eso plus perk wouldn't be much of a perk and I can say that as I have the banker and it isn't that great , I think Zos did the right thing by making the crafting bag one of the perks

What you say is quite inconsistent.

Now that you have the crafting bag is quite clear that you (being able to choose) would not trade it for anything.
Nothing compare with the crafting bag in terms of advantage over the other players. So it was not the right decision or the most long sighted one.

The merchant and banker assistants, on the other hand, are usefull stuff. Very handy but at the same time not game-breaking for whom don't have them

Zos have said that crafting bag is for Eso plus members and don't think they are going to change that so why people keep hounding on about this is just a waste , if they put the craft bag in the crown store they would lose so many subscribers , I know that I wouldn't sub for s banker or merchant

drakhan2002_ESO · January 2017

lagrue wrote: »

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Please ZOS look into just making the Crafting Bag for everybody - but so the Plus users don't get their knickers in a twist, give us a different feature of some sort. This is an issue people have been complaining about since the game came out - and you have the perfect solution but you decide to lock it to paying players only - thereby hurting the people who DO pay.

This should have been a poll...I disagree. Make 'em pay like me. How will ZOS refund me part of the funds I used as a subscriber because part of the reason I am subbing is because of the crafting bag? The same argument goes for "giving away" any other additional component in the crown store such as "any race, any alliance" (which technically can be done with One Tam) or play as Imperial - if those become free, I want a refund of the money I spent to obtain those. It is only fair...and before you hippy millennials say "we all get a participation trophy because we're self entitled"...you're not. Pay for it like the rest of us.

cbaudersub17_ESO · January 2017

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

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Please ZOS look into just making the Crafting Bag for everybody - but so the Plus users don't get their knickers in a twist, give us a different feature of some sort. This is an issue people have been complaining about since the game came out - and you have the perfect solution but you decide to lock it to paying players only - thereby hurting the people who DO pay.

This should have been a poll...I disagree. Make 'em pay like me. How will ZOS refund me part of the funds I used as a subscriber because part of the reason I am subbing is because of the crafting bag? The same argument goes for "giving away" any other additional component in the crown store such as "any race, any alliance" (which technically can be done with One Tam) or play as Imperial - if those become free, I want a refund of the money I spent to obtain those. It is only fair...and before you hippy millennials say "we all get a participation trophy because we're self entitled"...you're not. Pay for it like the rest of us.

With regards to the crafting-bag-gate, just calls for 'fairness' exist for all types of players. From the perspective of those that bought DLC when the game was suppose to be buy to play, it seems to me that it would only be fair to stop letting people rent DLC. Their subscription did buy crowns after all.

Seems like everyone's butt hurts or can be hurt by if some change in the current model occurs. Enough has changed in the game to stress inventory even more since this first became an issue and debate...and that's before people start furnishing their new cribs. In my opinion, it is just time for alternatives to the subscription exclusive crafting bag concept. I, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone, do not find the inventory management minigame all that fun.

P.S. Anything to help discourage leaving stuff behind at nodes so they de-spawn is a good thing. There's a special hell for people that do that.