Can I be a viable healer as a Sorcerer?

Ommamar · October 2016

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Thanks, you guys have been extremely helpful. On a side note, since you guys have been around much longer than I have and have maybe heard something, has there been any word on any new classes being added to the game? Right now it is feeling like Dragon Knights have a monopoly on tanking, Templars have a monopoly on healing, and everyone can fill a DPS slot (though I do intend on trying to tank and heal with my Sorcerer as ell on occasion). With that kind of setup, it feels like PvE and even PvP would get kinda stale after awhile as far as group comps are concerned.

I have not heard of any new classes on the horizon. Honestly I would like to see Spell and Jewel craft I think those would open up builds a ridiculous amount.

cbaudersub17_ESO · October 2016

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Thanks, you guys have been extremely helpful. On a side note, since you guys have been around much longer than I have and have maybe heard something, has there been any word on any new classes being added to the game? Right now it is feeling like Dragon Knights have a monopoly on tanking, Templars have a monopoly on healing, and everyone can fill a DPS slot (though I do intend on trying to tank and heal with my Sorcerer as ell on occasion). With that kind of setup, it feels like PvE and even PvP would get kinda stale after awhile as far as group comps are concerned.

The monopoly by any class toward a particular role is only created by preconception and ignorance. The same job can get done by any class; however, the way there may be a little different.

Ajaxduo · October 2016

More max magicka, magicka regen, ultimate cost reduction (good for warhorn!), Twilight Matriarch for burst heals. So yes you can, any class can heal. People are just hung up over Templar because of their ability to grant stamina to the group, which imo is silly as I never have stamina issues on my DD's and none use stamina recovery/cost reduction gear. Only place where Templar's should default over other healers is in veteran trials.

jonzhao68 · October 2016

Ajaxduo wrote: »

More max magicka, magicka regen, ultimate cost reduction (good for warhorn!), Twilight Matriarch for burst heals. So yes you can, any class can heal. People are just hung up over Templar because of their ability to grant stamina to the group, which imo is silly as I never have stamina issues on my DD's and none use stamina recovery/cost reduction gear. Only place where Templar's should default over other healers is in veteran trials.

I've heard this war horn mentioned a few times, but what is it? I haven't seen war horn available as a weapon at my level. Is it a skill, or is there some reason I haven't the weapon or skill line for it yet?

Akrimus · October 2016

Sorc-healer is viable, true. Best option for magicka party tho, meh for stamina. If to speak about PvP sorc is better healer than templar because mobility and you dont' even care about stamina of people around. Also you have decent offencive and controlling skills (say hello to my little Overload/Nagate). Yeah, sorc healer-controller/buffer is very fun, especially in PVP.

Asardes · October 2016

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

More max magicka, magicka regen, ultimate cost reduction (good for warhorn!), Twilight Matriarch for burst heals. So yes you can, any class can heal. People are just hung up over Templar because of their ability to grant stamina to the group, which imo is silly as I never have stamina issues on my DD's and none use stamina recovery/cost reduction gear. Only place where Templar's should default over other healers is in veteran trials.

I've heard this war horn mentioned a few times, but what is it? I haven't seen war horn available as a weapon at my level. Is it a skill, or is there some reason I haven't the weapon or skill line for it yet?

War Horn is the ultimate in the Assault skill line. You only receive that skill line upon entering Cyrodiil and progress is based on your Alliance Point gain. Those are obtained by defeating other players in PvP areas and completing various PvP quests and objectives, for example resource and keep capture or defense. Usually it's slotted by healer and/or tank, because DDs have more spell/weapon damage and their ultimates do more damage as a result.

SolarCat02 · October 2016

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

More max magicka, magicka regen, ultimate cost reduction (good for warhorn!), Twilight Matriarch for burst heals. So yes you can, any class can heal. People are just hung up over Templar because of their ability to grant stamina to the group, which imo is silly as I never have stamina issues on my DD's and none use stamina recovery/cost reduction gear. Only place where Templar's should default over other healers is in veteran trials.

I've heard this war horn mentioned a few times, but what is it? I haven't seen war horn available as a weapon at my level. Is it a skill, or is there some reason I haven't the weapon or skill line for it yet?

It's a skill, one of the ultimates from the PvP skill lines. Typically in Trials all the tanks and healers will be running it, as it gives a giant boost to DPS in that large a group.

Totalitarian · October 2016

The Sorc's ability to put out HPS will be nearly equal to that of a Templar. Also, the healer Sorc can drop Liquid Lightning for a really strong AOE. But other than that, they start to become awkward to DPS while healing with.

Sorcerers lack spammables, unlike Templars/Nightblades, so doing a decent off-dps of dropping DOTs, then spamming one spell is not going to work all that well.

Of course, as mentioned, sorcerers cannot sustain stamina, but chances are that your group will be fine in dungeons, and as mentioned, the Master Restoration Staff will work wonders.

In short, for dungeons a sorcerer healer will work, but the biggest trouble you will run into is finding a good way to do consistent off-dps due to sorcerers having an inherently awkward skillset.

jonzhao68 · October 2016

Asardes wrote: »

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

More max magicka, magicka regen, ultimate cost reduction (good for warhorn!), Twilight Matriarch for burst heals. So yes you can, any class can heal. People are just hung up over Templar because of their ability to grant stamina to the group, which imo is silly as I never have stamina issues on my DD's and none use stamina recovery/cost reduction gear. Only place where Templar's should default over other healers is in veteran trials.

I've heard this war horn mentioned a few times, but what is it? I haven't seen war horn available as a weapon at my level. Is it a skill, or is there some reason I haven't the weapon or skill line for it yet?

War Horn is the ultimate in the Assault skill line. You only receive that skill line upon entering Cyrodiil and progress is based on your Alliance Point gain. Those are obtained by defeating other players in PvP areas and completing various PvP quests and objectives, for example resource and keep capture or defense. Usually it's slotted by healer and/or tank, because DDs have more spell/weapon damage and their ultimates do more damage as a result.

Gotcha, thanks again for all the help guys.

Cryptical · October 2016

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

You can keep the group alive, but the Templar's ability to maintain stamina is a really big deal. I say this as someone who used to run a sorc healer, and now runs a stamsorc DPS. I now know what the fuss about Templars is all about

You can address this via itemization, though. You'll need a Master's Restoration Staff. So find a group and get to farming!

So the general vibe I'm getting here is that it would be possible to put out healing somewhat on par to that of a Templar, but the Sorcerer cannot maintain the group's Stamina needs? This is a bit of a new concept for me since healing on other games so far for me has been about maintaining the group's health.

So the Templar not only restores the group's health, but their Stamina (and I'm guessing Magika as well?) too? So though the Sorcerer could possibly maintain the group's health, their lack of ability to maintain the group's stamina is a deal-breaker for most groups?

yeah, as a Templar I keep the group healthy. I also buff their stamina and magica by using radiant aura, a morph of restoring aura, for their regen. For certain tanks that use a block build, I throw shards so they can focus on the taunt and positioning. Then sorcs and I both use healing springs - for me it's for the purpose of supporting those dps that are murdering the archers or ranged adds that aren't cooperating with us, because springs really isn't that much of a heal for not that much of a duration.

Breath of life.... Sometimes the boss just gets lucky and stuns or knocks down somebody and goes all Negan on them. Yesterday I was crit-healing BoL for 20,000 16,000 21,000 when the dreugh king got lucky like that on the tank. Sorc can be a viable healer, but the trend for more more more damage means when the crap hits the fan like that, when the coin flip just doesn't smile on you, sorc isn't going to be able to pump out 57,000-plus health in 2 seconds like a modestly geared Templar.

I'd like to see more sorc healers. I don't think the current trend of the game, as well as people's push to min max, makes that a likely thing.

DHale · October 2016

No shards.... no repentance.... no bueno. Sure a sorc can heal but that is only part of the benefit of templars.

cpuScientist · October 2016

There is the master resto and the new monster set to help with stamina sustain, but a Templar can equip those and be even better.

For vet dungeons and normal trials, it really doesn't matter. For vet trials it's fine just not ideal, what with nova and major mending and shards and repentance. Still doable especially if there are not many Stam guys and the tank is good at sustain, and even then it's definitely doable and I know a fantastic one.

The problem is there is no benefit to using any other class as heals. A templar will out DPS the other healers with Jesus beam and shards. Give Stam back novas everything. And I find it silly, it's a leftover from when ZOS wanted the classes to fall deeply in the roles and forgot to update other classes heals.

Fallen_Ray · October 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Non-Templar healer is fake healer period

Bigot alert!!!

cpuScientist · October 2016

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Thanks, you guys have been extremely helpful. On a side note, since you guys have been around much longer than I have and have maybe heard something, has there been any word on any new classes being added to the game? Right now it is feeling like Dragon Knights have a monopoly on tanking, Templars have a monopoly on healing, and everyone can fill a DPS slot (though I do intend on trying to tank and heal with my Sorcerer as ell on occasion). With that kind of setup, it feels like PvE and even PvP would get kinda stale after awhile as far as group comps are concerned.

The monopoly by any class toward a particular role is only created by preconception and ignorance. The same job can get done by any class; however, the way there may be a little different.

What will a Sorc do to help a tank on axes in VHMAA, when he is out of steam and those axes are beating on them? There is a monopoly in this game when it comes to tanking and healing, and it needs to be FIXED not ignored or just pretending like it doesn't exist. Templars are the best healers bar none and DK the best tank. Everything else is just a player trying to be special or unique which is fine and damdy, BUT the win will always be in spite of them being different not because of them...

cbaudersub17_ESO · October 2016

cpuScientist wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

jonzhao68 wrote: »

Thanks, you guys have been extremely helpful. On a side note, since you guys have been around much longer than I have and have maybe heard something, has there been any word on any new classes being added to the game? Right now it is feeling like Dragon Knights have a monopoly on tanking, Templars have a monopoly on healing, and everyone can fill a DPS slot (though I do intend on trying to tank and heal with my Sorcerer as ell on occasion). With that kind of setup, it feels like PvE and even PvP would get kinda stale after awhile as far as group comps are concerned.

The monopoly by any class toward a particular role is only created by preconception and ignorance. The same job can get done by any class; however, the way there may be a little different.

What will a Sorc do to help a tank on axes in VHMAA, when he is out of steam and those axes are beating on them? There is a monopoly in this game when it comes to tanking and healing, and it needs to be FIXED not ignored or just pretending like it doesn't exist. Templars are the best healers bar none and DK the best tank. Everything else is just a player trying to be special or unique which is fine and damdy, BUT the win will always be in spite of them being different not because of them...

No action by the other 10 people in this group or does what they offer just not matter?

Adding emphasis to an opinion is STILL an opinion. Defining 'best' is not that much different than proving to someone else that you are not 'crazy'.

'We won in spite of you' must create quite the warm, comfy team atmosphere.