World boss loot mechanics hoses tanks

Callous2208 · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.

Those "tanks" can't play their class

Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes? Hybrid builds are garbage and I feel bad for the people that have the misfortune of being in your group. Lol at tanking in vmsa, you realize it's a dps race right?

Interesting, interesting. Most of what you said had nothing to do with what I wrote but that's cool, you're frustrated. Perhaps you should read it again a bit slower and come back to me. Are you mad that people took their tank toon into VMA and with a few tweaks beat it? Are you mad that people take their tank toon into Cyrodiil and absorb damge/disable/kill other players in PvP. Methinks you're just upset that you came to ESO after finally mastering tanking in some other game, and now you're big boy mad that it's not the same here. I can tell by the way you keep talking about taunting literally every thing imaginable at all times while contributing no damage...cuz that's tanking 101 my dude!

Callous2208 · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

So overall it sounds like you believe one taunt, that doesn't even have time to wear off, should grant you guaranteed access to the loot table. Why? If a boss is burning down in under ten seconds, you aren't contributing anything. What if two tanks show up and do that? Perhaps three. None of them carry any wait in the outcome of the particular encounter, but all feel entitled to the reward?

First thing a tank needs to do is know the fight.

Know the fight? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF WORLD BOSS? There are no fing mechanics and no real tank can compete doing dps against a dps.

If there are no mechanics then why are you taunting and trying to hold aggro? It's 3%...3.....percent. That's all you need.

BigBragg · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

So overall it sounds like you believe one taunt, that doesn't even have time to wear off, should grant you guaranteed access to the loot table. Why? If a boss is burning down in under ten seconds, you aren't contributing anything. What if two tanks show up and do that? Perhaps three. None of them carry any wait in the outcome of the particular encounter, but all feel entitled to the reward?

First thing a tank needs to do is know the fight.

Know the fight? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF WORLD BOSS? There are no fing mechanics and no real tank can compete doing dps against a dps.

So you realize that in most World Bosses taunting and tanking isn't needed, yet you insist on doing it? It is very easy to switch up builds without taking away from your primary preferred roll. And if you absolutely insist on only beefcake tanking, why not go to the handful world bosses that can benefit from it?

Majic · October 2016

An Army Of None

The multiplayer scaling mechanics in ESO are by far the weakest link. They are scandalously bad and I hope ZOS might someday see fit to apply better talent and a more enlightened approach to the issue, because it is a very ugly blemish on an otherwise beautiful face.

I can appreciate wanting to tank, despise the "locust swarm" model currently in place and don't disagree with the need for that to change.

But...

Without pointing any fingers, I do recommend that anyone frustrated with the state of ESO read this from start to finish and carefully consider how, despite the fact that it refers to PVP in an entirely different gaming genre, the subject very much applies to ESO PVE and, in this specific case, competition for world boss loot.

I would love for it to change, but I don't recommend that anyone hold their breath waiting for that to happen. It is the very fact that ESO PVE is really just PVP by other means that keeps me from truly loving this game, but that's the game we're playing.

If you're looking for a better multiplayer experience, I recommend looking elsewhere. But if ESO is the game you're playing, this is the game you get.

Sorry.

Solus · October 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.

Those "tanks" can't play their class

Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes? Hybrid builds are garbage and I feel bad for the people that have the misfortune of being in your group. Lol at tanking in vmsa, you realize it's a dps race right?

Interesting, interesting. Most of what you said had nothing to do with what I wrote but that's cool, you're frustrated. Perhaps you should read it again a bit slower and come back to me. Are you mad that people took their tank toon into VMA and with a few tweaks beat it? Are you mad that people take their tank toon into Cyrodiil and absorb damge/disable/kill other players in PvP. Methinks you're just upset that you came to ESO after finally mastering tanking in some other game, and now you're big boy mad that it's not the same here. I can tell by the way you keep talking about taunting literally every thing imaginable at all times while contributing no damage...cuz that's tanking 101 my dude!

lol

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Solus · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

An Army Of None

The multiplayer scaling mechanics in ESO are by far the weakest link. They are scandalously bad and I hope ZOS might someday see fit to apply better talent and a more enlightened approach to the issue, because it is a very ugly blemish on an otherwise beautiful face.

I can appreciate wanting to tank, despise the "locust swarm" model currently in place and don't disagree with the need for that to change.

But...

Without pointing any fingers, I do recommend that anyone frustrated with the state of ESO read this from start to finish and carefully consider how, despite the fact that it refers to PVP in an entirely different gaming genre, the subject very much applies to ESO PVE and, in this specific case, competition for world boss loot.

I would love for it to change, but I don't recommend that anyone hold their breath waiting for that to happen. It is the very fact that ESO PVE is really just PVP by other means that keeps me from truly loving this game, but that's the game we're playing.

If you're looking for a better multiplayer experience, I recommend looking elsewhere. But if ESO is the game you're playing, this is the game you get.

Sorry.

With all due respect, i personally hate the term "scrub" as referring to someone that doesnt know how to play something. Just like i hate it when someone says, "This is 'lit' guys" or "Fleek".

shush yourself and learn proper English, not uneducated "i use words out of context and put a new meaning to them because my mom says I'm different," English.

Majic · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

With all due respect, i personally hate the term "scrub" as referring to someone that doesnt know how to play something. Just like i hate it when someone says, "This is 'lit' guys" or "Fleek".

shush yourself and learn proper English, not uneducated "i use words out of context and put a new meaning to them because my mom says I'm different," English.

I recommend actually reading both what I posted and what the article actually says, rather than flying off the handle over your own imaginary problems.

That would be an act of due respect, and far more constructive than hurling pointless insults for self-gratification.

BigBragg · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Majic wrote: »

An Army Of None

The multiplayer scaling mechanics in ESO are by far the weakest link. They are scandalously bad and I hope ZOS might someday see fit to apply better talent and a more enlightened approach to the issue, because it is a very ugly blemish on an otherwise beautiful face.

I can appreciate wanting to tank, despise the "locust swarm" model currently in place and don't disagree with the need for that to change.

But...

Without pointing any fingers, I do recommend that anyone frustrated with the state of ESO read this from start to finish and carefully consider how, despite the fact that it refers to PVP in an entirely different gaming genre, the subject very much applies to ESO PVE and, in this specific case, competition for world boss loot.

I would love for it to change, but I don't recommend that anyone hold their breath waiting for that to happen. It is the very fact that ESO PVE is really just PVP by other means that keeps me from truly loving this game, but that's the game we're playing.

If you're looking for a better multiplayer experience, I recommend looking elsewhere. But if ESO is the game you're playing, this is the game you get.

Sorry.

With all due respect, i personally hate the term "scrub" as referring to someone that doesnt know how to play something. Just like i hate it when someone says, "This is 'lit' guys" or "Fleek".

shush yourself and learn proper English, not uneducated "i use words out of context and put a new meaning to them because my mom says I'm different," English.

Judging by their use of punctuation and varied vernacular, I am fairly confident that the individual is well versed in, at least, the written aspects of the English language.

Callous2208 · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

An Army Of None

The multiplayer scaling mechanics in ESO are by far the weakest link. They are scandalously bad and I hope ZOS might someday see fit to apply better talent and a more enlightened approach to the issue, because it is a very ugly blemish on an otherwise beautiful face.

I can appreciate wanting to tank, despise the "locust swarm" model currently in place and don't disagree with the need for that to change.

But...

Without pointing any fingers, I do recommend that anyone frustrated with the state of ESO read this from start to finish and carefully consider how, despite the fact that it refers to PVP in an entirely different gaming genre, the subject very much applies to ESO PVE and, in this specific case, competition for world boss loot.

I would love for it to change, but I don't recommend that anyone hold their breath waiting for that to happen. It is the very fact that ESO PVE is really just PVP by other means that keeps me from truly loving this game, but that's the game we're playing.

If you're looking for a better multiplayer experience, I recommend looking elsewhere. But if ESO is the game you're playing, this is the game you get.

Sorry.

Though I don't disagree with some of your points, the main issue here is that there is no competition for world boss loot as far as tanks are concerned, in a normal scenario. Now, if there are 100 people on one boss and the TTK is a mere 5 seconds, then yes, there is an issue. But that's an issue for everyone that's not in that top 12 dps group. There will be plenty of other solid dps players, tanks and healers left out in the cold on the boss that's downed by a zerg. In every other scenario, this isn't the case. It is extremely easy in ESO for even a tank to put out some respectable damage in a short amount of time, even while using moves that taunt/disable/cc. That 3% mark is laughably easy to hit, and in these scenarios, you'd almost have to try not to attack the boss to not reach the threshold. That is what it appears op is doing, otherwise, I can't explain it. Taunt, hold block, taunt hold block, will net you no loot. But that's not how you tank in ESO anyhow.

Majic · October 2016

The fact that there is a top DPS groups means there is competition.

Solus · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Majic wrote: »

An Army Of None

The multiplayer scaling mechanics in ESO are by far the weakest link. They are scandalously bad and I hope ZOS might someday see fit to apply better talent and a more enlightened approach to the issue, because it is a very ugly blemish on an otherwise beautiful face.

I can appreciate wanting to tank, despise the "locust swarm" model currently in place and don't disagree with the need for that to change.

But...

Without pointing any fingers, I do recommend that anyone frustrated with the state of ESO read this from start to finish and carefully consider how, despite the fact that it refers to PVP in an entirely different gaming genre, the subject very much applies to ESO PVE and, in this specific case, competition for world boss loot.

I would love for it to change, but I don't recommend that anyone hold their breath waiting for that to happen. It is the very fact that ESO PVE is really just PVP by other means that keeps me from truly loving this game, but that's the game we're playing.

If you're looking for a better multiplayer experience, I recommend looking elsewhere. But if ESO is the game you're playing, this is the game you get.

Sorry.

With all due respect, i personally hate the term "scrub" as referring to someone that doesnt know how to play something. Just like i hate it when someone says, "This is 'lit' guys" or "Fleek".

shush yourself and learn proper English, not uneducated "i use words out of context and put a new meaning to them because my mom says I'm different," English.

Well the term doesnt make sense. If you were to "scrub" the key board your character would look something like this:

Having said that, using a term that is insulting to someone that is unwarranted to begin with, targeting their skill with something that you haven't personally seen yourself essentially reducing your interpretation of their skill to the above gif. So in a sense, my response was warranted, not imaginary.

Not only that, but by linking something like that, is saying that anyone that is frustrated with the current state of ESO in any way is a "scrub" and needs to git good. That is insulting to me, and also non-constructive.

MasterSpatula · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

What kind of tank are you?

It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

You know, considering the way everyone's piling on you, you actually had my sympathy. Then you pulled this crap.

Callous2208 · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

The fact that there is a top DPS groups means there is competition.

True. But it's a 5k fun run with no actual meaning at the end of it. I would also point out that zerging bosses is a thing now due to the current event going on, combined with interest in new sets. There are many bosses spread far and wide to alleviate some of these issues, and the sets can also be found by completing dolmens and downing easily soloable bosses in delves and public dungeons. In other words, there are options for tanks when fighting these world bosses, and there are options to receive the same loot and skip this mechanic all together.

Kronosphere · October 2016

if its dying that quickly then clearly there is literally 0 need for a tank. if the group was smaller and needed a tank then by the time they finally would have killed it you would have dealt 3% of the damage atleast. and you would have been needed, and you would have got loot. seems perfectly balanced to me?

Sigtric · October 2016

cjthibs wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Those "tanks" can't play their class

Hmm...how's that world boss tanking working out for you?

Seems to me you're the one that can't get something done.

edit: I FAIL at foruming. quoted wrong post

Iselin · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

You should have different set-ups for different content. PvP and PvE is very different, but so is overworld PvE and group PvE content. Just because you can't deal with that doesn't mean there is a problem.

No other class has to respec to loot a boss.

1. Tanks are not a class
2. Who said anything about respeccing? What level are you... 5 with only one bar and just 5 skills?

Majic · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Having said that, using a term that is insulting to someone that is unwarranted to being with, targeting their skill with something that you haven't personally seen yourself essentially reducing your interpretation of their skill to the above gif. So in a sense, my response was warranted, not imaginary.

I understand people can take offense, even when it is not intended, which is why I wanted to make clear that I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. If the shoe fits, however, that's not my fault.

The tl;dr is that the current ESO regime presents open-world bosses whose central mechanic is a competitive DPS race. I'd rather it wasn't so, but it's not my decision.

As things stand, some approaches work and others don't. Given that, the best strategy is to abandon approaches that don't work and use those that do, or ignore the content if that is unacceptable.

I would prefer a better design showing from ZOS, but absent that, we must make do with what we have.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

What kind of tank are you?

It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

Reported for peeking in my shower window. Now my micro *** and I are off to farm world bosses with my tank. Also, FYI, my dps can solo some of these world bosses so...yea. Go in, tank, do some deeps while you work and by the time 20 people show up, you'll have that 3% little guy. ESO is a bit different than WoW but you'll get the hang of it buddy.

Next time you should step back and wait for a tank...it's dangerous going it alone.

Good advice but I don't know man, this isn't WoW. Tanks have actual skills and rotations, contributing buffs and damage to group play. What if I get out dps'd by some hotshot tank and can't get that sweet sweet loot?

None of that

cjthibs wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Those "tanks" can't play their class

Hmm...how's that world boss tanking working out for you?

How's that raid tanking with your mega badass dps tank?

Lol nobody else is complaining about their tanks, just you. You have been given solutions but have chosen to ignore them and that is your loss. This is not like most other MMOs as you have been told over and over

Solus · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Having said that, using a term that is insulting to someone that is unwarranted to being with, targeting their skill with something that you haven't personally seen yourself essentially reducing your interpretation of their skill to the above gif. So in a sense, my response was warranted, not imaginary.

I understand people can take offense, even when it is not intended, which is why I wanted to make clear that I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. If the shoe fits, however, that's not my fault.

The tl;dr is that the current ESO regime presents open-world bosses whose central mechanic is a competitive DPS race. I'd rather it wasn't so, but it's not my decision.

As things stand, some approaches work and others don't. Given that, the best strategy is to abandon approaches that don't work and use those that do, or ignore the content if that is unacceptable.

I would prefer a better design showing from ZOS, but absent that, we must make do with what we have.

I've posted that since it's now an open world that ZOS should increase the loot cap from 12 to 36 of the top DPS-ers which would essentially be everyone who helped in the fight. That way every role is included and you aren't penalized for playing the game as per your role. They didn't think that more than 12 people would be fighting a world boss, but as it is, since 3 factions can now inhabit the same play space lower level players cannot participate, and certain roles are left out.

zergbase_ESO · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

What kind of tank are you?

It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

This guy is that kid in the remedial class that sat in wheel chair and waved his arms in random directions...

Majic · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

I've posted that since it's now an open world that ZOS should increase the loot cap from 12 to 36 of the top DPS-ers which would essentially be everyone who helped in the fight. That way every role is included and you aren't penalized for playing the game as per your role. They didn't think that more than 12 people would be fighting a world boss, but as it is, since 3 factions can now inhabit the same play space lower level players cannot participate, and certain roles are left out.

That points back to ESO's atrocious multiplayer scaling issues. In the open world, the ESO we're playing today is little (if anything) more than a single-player game with extra people.

Other games published years before ESO launched handle open world multiplayer scaling much more effectively (if not perfectly) by scaling bosses based on the number of players participating and awarding credit proportional to more than just how much DPS a player spews out (i.e., accounting for healing and damage taken by players).

That doesn't necessarily eliminate firing-squad boss battles, but it does at least better reward cooperation than the barely-a-system currently in play.

But all of this is wishful thinking unless ZOS actually does something about it. Until then, the name of the game is Spam Deepz 4 Phat Lewtz.

Not my favorite game, but outside group-only content, it's the only game in ESO town.

Solus · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

I've posted that since it's now an open world that ZOS should increase the loot cap from 12 to 36 of the top DPS-ers which would essentially be everyone who helped in the fight. That way every role is included and you aren't penalized for playing the game as per your role. They didn't think that more than 12 people would be fighting a world boss, but as it is, since 3 factions can now inhabit the same play space lower level players cannot participate, and certain roles are left out.

Spam Deepz 4 Phat Lewtz.

Reported. ;]

Kidding. To elaborate, If they are blatantly ignoring the crown crate thing, where 80 percent of the forum fanbase is against it, its probable that they will ignore it for awhile.

Majic · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Reported. ;]

Kidding.

It's okay, because despite all my whining, I'm still playing, and still spamming deepz.

Guilty as charged.

Solus · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Reported. ;]

Kidding.

It's okay, because despite all my whining, I'm still playing, and still spamming deepz.

Guilty as charged.

Well I dont personally have this issue. I get loot 100% of the time using the same abilities i do for PVP.

*shrugs*

Majic · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

Majic wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Reported. ;]

Kidding.

It's okay, because despite all my whining, I'm still playing, and still spamming deepz.

Guilty as charged.

Well I dont personally have this issue. I get loot 100% of the time using the same abilities i do for PVP.

*shrugs*

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that deepz are involved.

Solus · October 2016

Majic wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Majic wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Reported. ;]

Kidding.

It's okay, because despite all my whining, I'm still playing, and still spamming deepz.

Guilty as charged.

Well I dont personally have this issue. I get loot 100% of the time using the same abilities i do for PVP.

*shrugs*

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that deepz are involved.

Nah I'm just doing this and still getting top 12 DPS:

LaiTash · October 2016

Iselin wrote: »

Why are you tanking a WB? Why not slot high DPS abilities for that fight and kite it like everyone else?

Do you know that there are many people who are not tanks soloing a lot of these bosses when no one else is around?

Whatever build gets you through Maelstrom Arena is what you should be using for those fights - not what you use to tank 4-man instances.

While i have a proper build for my role i shouldn't be forced to respec or make an alt to be able to do any content.

Astanphaeus · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

What kind of tank are you?

It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

As a DPS< I can still solo all the non-DLC wb's, so no, you're wrong. Mostly this is because many dps's know how to change their build for when they are doing overland PvE content, something you apparently don't know how to do.

Iselin · October 2016

LaiTash wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Why are you tanking a WB? Why not slot high DPS abilities for that fight and kite it like everyone else?

Do you know that there are many people who are not tanks soloing a lot of these bosses when no one else is around?

Whatever build gets you through Maelstrom Arena is what you should be using for those fights - not what you use to tank 4-man instances.

While i have a proper build for my role i shouldn't be forced to respec or make an alt to be able to do any content.

Jeebus... what is it with you guys and this "respec" thing? it's just a frigging L2P ESO issue: there are many more skills than there are skill bar slots. It's why we all (those of us who actually understand this game, that is) train many more skills than 10 + 2 ultimates. Because group PVP is not solo PVP which isn't solo PVE which isn't group PVE which isn't trials which isn't malestrom arena... and that's without even getting into the 3 different roles.

There are more than 300 skill points available in the game - use them.

Animal_Mother · October 2016

LaiTash wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Why are you tanking a WB? Why not slot high DPS abilities for that fight and kite it like everyone else?

Do you know that there are many people who are not tanks soloing a lot of these bosses when no one else is around?

Whatever build gets you through Maelstrom Arena is what you should be using for those fights - not what you use to tank 4-man instances.

While i have a proper build for my role i shouldn't be forced to respec or make an alt to be able to do any content.

I don't think anyone has suggested to the OP to respec. They simply suggested slotting different skills/equipment for the encounter. Every class has at least one skill line devoted to damage. Even just throwing Caltrops down ought to be enough for 3%.

Maybe the OP is just unlucky, I've yet to see an entire grind group at a World Boss. Most, if not all I've seen, have been at dolmens. The bosses just aren't reliable enough for them to farm as it only takes 1 DPS and 1 Healer to defeat them timely fashion.