The sentence I originally quoted. No achievement dyes on costumes for non-subs. We earn the rewards, but we can't use them because it would somehow hurt subscribers.MornaBaine wrote: »Your solution removes all the fun out of it, though. It renders our accomplishments useless. That's not a good feeling and not something I expected a roleplayer to support.MornaBaine wrote: »So you want to prevent me from using what I legitimately acquired in the game through my time and effort? How is this any better than the current system? Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer Danikat's method of fixing dye stamps.MornaBaine wrote: »DragonSamurai360 wrote: »I would just prefer if you can buy the dyes from the Crown store that if you buy them they are attached to each and every character on the account and on the server permanently, meaning it would act like a secondary option to the normal dyes, but exclusive to the crown store. In order to prevent bypassing the dyes associated with achievements they could add different dyes entirely. .
And to keep ESO plus attractive on this score I'd say sure go ahead and make it to where ONLY the crown store dyes can be used for costumes if you are not subscriber.
I don't mind if we get crown dyes in addition to achievement dyes. Normally I'd be worried it would end up with everything good locked behind a paywall, but they won't take away the dyes from already existing achievements, so it wouldn't be so bad.
Honestly I'd like nothing better than for everyone to be able to use all of their dyes on everything. I'm simply trying to work within the existing framework ZOS has set out on this. The ability to dye costumes as freely as armor is a subscription perk. My suggestion has it remain one. Those who won't sub for whatever reason, are just not going to have all the perks a sub has. I'm largely okay with that.
I'm a little confused. How does it remove the "fun?" And how does it render your accomplishments useless?
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MornaBaine wrote: »The sentence I originally quoted. No achievement dyes on costumes for non-subs. We earn the rewards, but we can't use them because it would somehow hurt subscribers.MornaBaine wrote: »Your solution removes all the fun out of it, though. It renders our accomplishments useless. That's not a good feeling and not something I expected a roleplayer to support.MornaBaine wrote: »So you want to prevent me from using what I legitimately acquired in the game through my time and effort? How is this any better than the current system? Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer Danikat's method of fixing dye stamps.MornaBaine wrote: »DragonSamurai360 wrote: »I would just prefer if you can buy the dyes from the Crown store that if you buy them they are attached to each and every character on the account and on the server permanently, meaning it would act like a secondary option to the normal dyes, but exclusive to the crown store. In order to prevent bypassing the dyes associated with achievements they could add different dyes entirely. .
And to keep ESO plus attractive on this score I'd say sure go ahead and make it to where ONLY the crown store dyes can be used for costumes if you are not subscriber.
I don't mind if we get crown dyes in addition to achievement dyes. Normally I'd be worried it would end up with everything good locked behind a paywall, but they won't take away the dyes from already existing achievements, so it wouldn't be so bad.
Honestly I'd like nothing better than for everyone to be able to use all of their dyes on everything. I'm simply trying to work within the existing framework ZOS has set out on this. The ability to dye costumes as freely as armor is a subscription perk. My suggestion has it remain one. Those who won't sub for whatever reason, are just not going to have all the perks a sub has. I'm largely okay with that.
I'm a little confused. How does it remove the "fun?" And how does it render your accomplishments useless?
Ah, then this an argument about sub perks vs. non-subs and their lack of perks. Which is really another conversation entirely. I do sub and I've always felt the dye system, even when originally implemented, was poorly done because it limited character customization for no good reason. It was the lazy way to get out of making achievements ACTUALLY matter. There is no real reward for them. Indeed, for most you don't even get a color at all, let alone anything else. Of all the things to keep from non-subscribers. The ability to freely dye costumes really shouldn't be a sub perk. So I'd be just as happy if they'd remove that barrier and simply add a new tier of crown store only colors for people to purchase and unlock.
I actually don't mind unlimited costume dying being a sub perk, I can easily live without it. I just don't like how extremely restrictive the system is to non-subs, to the degree that I'd sooner subscribe for a month to dye all my costumes than buy dye stamps. Which might have been Zenimax's goal all along, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with this strategy. If ESO can't be sub-based, I wish it was at least an honest B2P game instead some weird mix of "sub strongly encouraged, but we'll suck you dry with our crown store too". *sigh*MornaBaine wrote: »The sentence I originally quoted. No achievement dyes on costumes for non-subs. We earn the rewards, but we can't use them because it would somehow hurt subscribers.MornaBaine wrote: »Your solution removes all the fun out of it, though. It renders our accomplishments useless. That's not a good feeling and not something I expected a roleplayer to support.MornaBaine wrote: »So you want to prevent me from using what I legitimately acquired in the game through my time and effort? How is this any better than the current system? Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer Danikat's method of fixing dye stamps.MornaBaine wrote: »DragonSamurai360 wrote: »I would just prefer if you can buy the dyes from the Crown store that if you buy them they are attached to each and every character on the account and on the server permanently, meaning it would act like a secondary option to the normal dyes, but exclusive to the crown store. In order to prevent bypassing the dyes associated with achievements they could add different dyes entirely. .
And to keep ESO plus attractive on this score I'd say sure go ahead and make it to where ONLY the crown store dyes can be used for costumes if you are not subscriber.
I don't mind if we get crown dyes in addition to achievement dyes. Normally I'd be worried it would end up with everything good locked behind a paywall, but they won't take away the dyes from already existing achievements, so it wouldn't be so bad.
Honestly I'd like nothing better than for everyone to be able to use all of their dyes on everything. I'm simply trying to work within the existing framework ZOS has set out on this. The ability to dye costumes as freely as armor is a subscription perk. My suggestion has it remain one. Those who won't sub for whatever reason, are just not going to have all the perks a sub has. I'm largely okay with that.
I'm a little confused. How does it remove the "fun?" And how does it render your accomplishments useless?
Ah, then this an argument about sub perks vs. non-subs and their lack of perks. Which is really another conversation entirely. I do sub and I've always felt the dye system, even when originally implemented, was poorly done because it limited character customization for no good reason. It was the lazy way to get out of making achievements ACTUALLY matter. There is no real reward for them. Indeed, for most you don't even get a color at all, let alone anything else. Of all the things to keep from non-subscribers. The ability to freely dye costumes really shouldn't be a sub perk. So I'd be just as happy if they'd remove that barrier and simply add a new tier of crown store only colors for people to purchase and unlock.
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