Everyone on the moderation team is well-versed with ESO.
The primary purpose of the Moderators is to help maintain a safe and welcoming environment for the community to discuss the games. We aren't involved in communicating deeper game discussion, and leave those conversations to the Community Managers and Developers. We do work closely with the CMs, and we're also more involved in the support sections.
Blocking a term can create its own problems. These are often used in an inflammatory or trollish manner, but this isn't always the case, and out of the context of MMO discussion they're unproblematic.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »I would like to propose filtering stereotypical slang on these forums. The following words and pair of words would be censored if this happens:
KramUzibra wrote: »I would take it as a compliment if someone called me an elitist! Why ban a positive stereotype?
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »I would take it as a compliment if someone called me an elitist! Why ban a positive stereotype?
Stereotyping is never positive. Ever. Also the term elitist was made for those that condescend others they consider beneath them. It is in no way used to tell someone they are a metagamer or hardcore gamer.
If knowing that you still consider being called an elitist a compliment then I pity you...
KramUzibra wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »I would take it as a compliment if someone called me an elitist! Why ban a positive stereotype?
Stereotyping is never positive. Ever. Also the term elitist was made for those that condescend others they consider beneath them. It is in no way used to tell someone they are a metagamer or hardcore gamer.
If knowing that you still consider being called an elitist a compliment then I pity you...
This is precisely why we shouldn't ban these words. Your personal understanding of stereotypes is not universally understood or accepted by everyone. I myself believe there can be positive and negative stereotypes. I would be proud and fully accept the term elitist. clearly you would not and that's ok.
I agree. Increased interaction outside of moderation is important, but also carries a risk that we'll be misinterpreted as the game developers themselves, which can cause problems. We do post in some "fluff" threads, and you'll likely see this become more common in the future.BlackSparrow wrote: »The most friendly, supportive forums I've been on were the ones where the moderators played an active role in the community--not just posting to note disciplinary actions or a carefully-worded customer service statement... they respond to the fluff community threads like "What's your favorite XX" or "What boss did you find the hardest?" Threads that need no interaction in a moderator capacity, but nonetheless help promote a sense of community.
Moderation is not done arbitrarily. If you feel there's a discrepancy in our moderation, please submit a ticket to highlight this so we can review the issue.The problem with this forum is the mods are biased. They hand out moderations arbitrarily. They close threads rather then foster a community.
Wreuntzylla wrote: »It seems to me that "L2P," "Git Gud," and similar comments should land a warning when not accompanied by any concrete advice on how to do so. The only reason these terms are used is to demean and lower perceptions of self-worth.
I am as thick skinned as they get and don't like the use of the terms because if directed at me, my response would surely invite a warning...
Out of curiosity, is there a method to work off warnings? For example, in most states you can have criminal offenses expunged from your record after so many years. I think it might be wise to drop a warning every 3-6 months for good behaviour.
GreenhaloX wrote: »@ZOS_AlanG, how do I or we do editing on the first main post of a discussion/thread? I know with editing of follow-on posts/comments on any discussion/thread, there's that setting icon on the upper right of the box that you click on to get edit, but no such icon or edit showing for the first or main box that starts off a discussion or topic.
SocialAssassin wrote: »This my response to "stereotyping" it's a part of all gaming , and if you don't like the stereotyping then you perhaps you should find a new hobby and quick? It's like that episode of South Park ,"In My safe space" [link removed do to inappropriate languge]
IF you can't stand the site of "blood" then don't swim with the sharks. And besides try playing DCUO , now that's 1,000 times more toxic then anything this game could dish out.
SocialAssassin wrote: »Removing posts because simply ESO didn't agree with them? That's censorship , plain and simple. And I am talking about an actual discussion and not trolling, flaming etc.. There needs to be a place to discuss off topic thing's , because not everyone lives or plays ESO 24/7. And I have noticed how this forum hates anyone to have an actual dialogue. People are going to be people , no matter what. And they're going to disagree and argue with each other. Because that's human nature.
We don't remove content simply because it disagrees with us, or is critical - and if you look around the forums, there's a lot of disagreement out there. Critical comments are valued, but it is important that criticism be kept civil and constructive, which is why this thread was originally created. The same is true for debate, disagreement, or arguing.SocialAssassin wrote: »This my response to "stereotyping" it's a part of all gaming , and if you don't like the stereotyping then you perhaps you should find a new hobby and quick?
While it is perfectly fine to discuss moderation in general, if you have questions about specific situations please keep this to PM. In this case I can clarify matters: while that thread had been locked for necromancy, it was reversed shortly thereafter and is currently open.Valen_Byte wrote: »Recently, I have noticed that several very populare threads were comented on and locked by a mod for being necroed. One of which was the "what do you look like thread."
What I dont unerstand is, why is it a necroed thread? To me a necro is a thread that is no longer relevant. That thread in particular will never be irrelevant. Therfore, it should be just fine for a thread like that to go a month without a comment and not be considered "necroed" or "irrelevant."
KramUzibra wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »I would take it as a compliment if someone called me an elitist! Why ban a positive stereotype?
Stereotyping is never positive. Ever. Also the term elitist was made for those that condescend others they consider beneath them. It is in no way used to tell someone they are a metagamer or hardcore gamer.
If knowing that you still consider being called an elitist a compliment then I pity you...
This is precisely why we shouldn't ban these words. Your personal understanding of stereotypes is not universally understood or accepted by everyone. I myself believe there can be positive and negative stereotypes. I would be proud and fully accept the term elitist. clearly you would not and that's ok.
Ourorboros wrote: »Sure would like a better explanation of the difference between constructive criticism and bashing of the game and company. Am I bashing if I offer the opinion that crown store items are a bad value? Can I say it's unethical for game changes to make it very difficult to find crown store items that are also in game, regardless of whether it's a legitimate business practice? What's the line that makes it bashing when complaining about how the customer base is treated by the company?
... If a particular person frequently annoys you, you should also consider adding them to your ignore list.
Taking Better Advantage of the Forums Available
We have a wide variety of forums here to help keep discussion organized, and make it easier to find topics relevant to your interest or question. However, many of these spaces are neglected in favor of simply posting in General Discussion. Before posting a thread, we ask that you take a moment to review the forums available, to see which is the best place to post it.
Some topics can fit in various forums – choose the one you feel fits it best. For example, discussion of skills and balance generally belong in Combat & Character Mechanics or PvP Combat & Skills forums. Although if you’re talking about changes on PTS, then the Public Test Server Forum would be preferable.
As part of this, moderators will now be actively moving misplaced threads they come across, in any of the forums. We’re also happy to hear any feedback on ways we can further increase organization on the forums.
Continued Discussion
We are leaving this thread open for any questions or feedback about moderation and forum organization. We’re happy to hear your thoughts on how we can keep this forum a great place to visit and participate.
However, please do not post any questions related to specific moderation actions. These will be removed. If you have questions, they should be submitted via PM, or as a support ticket.
Since these forums opened, we’ve worked to foster a welcoming place for the community to discuss the game, and provide feedback. We wanted to take a moment to discuss this goal in greater depth and we can maintain this. Additionally, while the Community Rules are not changing, we are making a few adjustments to how we moderate the forums.
A big part of making this community great is to remember to be constructive and respectful. We recommend reading our guide on How to be an ESO Community Hero to achieve this end. We also have an awesome group of Community Ambassadors here that help maintain the welcoming atmosphere. They do a great job helping people out and participating in discussions, and they’re worth keeping an eye on if you want to help too.
Avoiding Problems, and Keeping Criticism and Disagreements Constructive
Most problems on forums stem from a disagreement, but disagreement and debate also results in some of the most productive and engaging discussion a forum can have. To keep these on track, please keep your comments civil, constructive, and on topic.
Feedback for the game is another area that is extremely important, but can also attract problems – sometimes because it results in disagreement and debate. It is perfectly fine to critique the game, criticism is quite valuable, but as above this needs to be civil and constructive. The moderatos are here to help promote this; we have no interest in quieting any particular topic. You are welcome to post your suggestions, complaints, and frustrations – but to keep this productive it shouldn’t resort to bashing the game, devs, or members of the community.
It is important to always remain respectful when posting on the forums. You don’t have to treat everyone like a dear friend, but everyone is allowed their opinion, and it is not acceptable to attack or demean someone you disagree with. If you see someone breaking the rules, please report them rather than responding. Responding risks escalating the situation. Being provoked also doesn’t excuse breaking the rules yourself. If a particular person frequently annoys you, you should also consider adding them to your ignore list.
Changes to Moderation
We are expanding our forum’s strike system, and we will now issue three formal warnings rather than two before considering a permanent ban. Any warning may also carry with it a temporary suspension. This increase gives us more flexibility, and bring us into alignment with the BethSoft and Bethesda.net forums.
Especially egregious offences may result in one’s account being immediately banned.
If someone is banned, they are not allowed to come back with another account. If we identify an account as such, it will be closed.
If you have questions about any moderation action, or wish to appeal an action, you can PM a moderator to discuss the matter, or submit a ticket. If you're submitting a ticket, be sure to state at the beginning that your message is in regards to the forums, so it can be properly escalated.
Taking Better Advantage of the Forums Available
We have a wide variety of forums here to help keep discussion organized, and make it easier to find topics relevant to your interest or question. However, many of these spaces are neglected in favor of simply posting in General Discussion. Before posting a thread, we ask that you take a moment to review the forums available, to see which is the best place to post it.
Some topics can fit in various forums – choose the one you feel fits it best. For example, discussion of skills and balance generally belong in Combat & Character Mechanics or PvP Combat & Skills forums. Although if you’re talking about changes on PTS, then the Public Test Server Forum would be preferable.
As part of this, moderators will now be actively moving misplaced threads they come across, in any of the forums. We’re also happy to hear any feedback on ways we can further increase organization on the forums.
Continued Discussion
We are leaving this thread open for any questions or feedback about moderation and forum organization. We’re happy to hear your thoughts on how we can keep this forum a great place to visit and participate.
However, please do not post any questions related to specific moderation actions. These will be removed. If you have questions, they should be submitted via PM, or as a support ticket.
Other forums I have been a part of have had members of high esteem that are recognized become moderators under those who run the site. They organize forums better because the members regulate each other telling each other if a thread has already been created and suggesting posting there instead of creating new threads. Just a suggestion.