How dare you heretics question Lord Wrobel's creations. He's the daedric lord of balance and seed spreading.
Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
What´s wrong with people of this game? It´s one thing that a set is broken and not working as indended, but when a player combine some sets in order to make a new powerfull build suddenly all those sets are broken and needs a nerf?? Isn´t it a part of an mmo to go for the best performing build?? This build is powerfull because there´s a good synergy between these sets nothing more.
Most people expect others to not theorycraft and just use non-set crafted items, if you don't do that and you actually use a strong setup, then KANKER KANKER!!
LeifErickson wrote: »Viper's sting and Velidreth are worse than Malubeth before it was fixed.
Malubeth still isn't fixed.
@ManDraKE - why are you defending those sets? everyone here agrees about how broken it is. what is your point?
KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
i'm tired of meta cookie-cutter 2h/bow with blackrose+2monster+vma weapon builds for stam. If the set is not broken, why should you nerf it? Is pretty clear that half of the people complaining here haven't tested anything, they see the death recaps and they call for nerf in an instant.
That shows how ZoS treats stam and magicka.
Stambuilds running vicecannon put a strong DoT if an attack is done form stealth. Any attack. (Paired with poison inject/morag tong that's an even stronger attack)... on top of that it has a 15 secs HoT
Magicka builds running Galerion need to accomplish with:
1- Six succesful basic attacks (yeah, in dodgeland)
2- They must be done within 15 secs (how many HA can you cast in 15 secs?)
3- After those 6 attacks, targets detonates for (and this is the best part) 4.5 K magic dmg, which is halved by BS and reduced even more by CPs
Velidreths (compared to Nerieneth or Skoria) just replicates the model shown above: Stam, easy mode; magicka, just nothing.
KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
That shows how ZoS treats stam and magicka.
Stambuilds running vicecannon put a strong DoT if an attack is done form stealth. Any attack. (Paired with poison inject/morag tong that's an even stronger attack)... on top of that it has a 15 secs HoT
Magicka builds running Galerion need to accomplish with:
1- Six succesful basic attacks (yeah, in dodgeland)
2- They must be done within 15 secs (how many HA can you cast in 15 secs?)
3- After those 6 attacks, targets detonates for (and this is the best part) 4.5 K magic dmg, which is halved by BS and reduced even more by CPs
Velidreths (compared to Nerieneth or Skoria) just replicates the model shown above: Stam, easy mode; magicka, just nothing.
Unsub, they won't be fired until there is some kind of financial pressure on ZOS.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
That shows how ZoS treats stam and magicka.
Stambuilds running vicecannon put a strong DoT if an attack is done form stealth. Any attack. (Paired with poison inject/morag tong that's an even stronger attack)... on top of that it has a 15 secs HoT
Magicka builds running Galerion need to accomplish with:
1- Six succesful basic attacks (yeah, in dodgeland)
2- They must be done within 15 secs (how many HA can you cast in 15 secs?)
3- After those 6 attacks, targets detonates for (and this is the best part) 4.5 K magic dmg, which is halved by BS and reduced even more by CPs
Velidreths (compared to Nerieneth or Skoria) just replicates the model shown above: Stam, easy mode; magicka, just nothing.
Both sets aren't that strong, Vice is now fixed and can be purged. Only viable on nightblades.
ebethke_ESO wrote: »These specific sets aren't really the point. It's the high proc damage (and ease of proc) of stamina sets compared to magicka sets.
ebethke_ESO wrote: »These specific sets aren't really the point. It's the high proc damage (and ease of proc) of stamina sets compared to magicka sets.
which is not the point of this thread. We know that most of the magicka sets sucks, but that have nothing to do with the point in question here. Hopefully with the gazillion new sets comming next patch, there would be good magika sets.
Remember when stam glass cannons had no sustain and stacked weapon damage?
Now, all they have to do is stack broken sets for their burst DPS.
Elder Dawnbreakers Online: Stamina Unbalanced.
Sandman929 wrote: »ebethke_ESO wrote: »These specific sets aren't really the point. It's the high proc damage (and ease of proc) of stamina sets compared to magicka sets.
which is not the point of this thread. We know that most of the magicka sets sucks, but that have nothing to do with the point in question here. Hopefully with the gazillion new sets comming next patch, there would be good magika sets.
Considering the OPs question "is it just me, or is Viper and Velidreth over the top?" I'd say it is relevant to compare mag set proc damage VS. these stam set procs.
And the answer is yes, they are over the top.
Sandman929 wrote: »ebethke_ESO wrote: »These specific sets aren't really the point. It's the high proc damage (and ease of proc) of stamina sets compared to magicka sets.
which is not the point of this thread. We know that most of the magicka sets sucks, but that have nothing to do with the point in question here. Hopefully with the gazillion new sets comming next patch, there would be good magika sets.
Considering the OPs question "is it just me, or is Viper and Velidreth over the top?" I'd say it is relevant to compare mag set proc damage VS. these stam set procs.
And the answer is yes, they are over the top.
if we are going to nerf things compared on how balanced they are vs magika, we need to nerf a plethora of set/skills/ultimates/evasion/etc. Compare these set relative to their alternatives, magika sets being bad is a complete diferent issue.
KisoValley wrote: »Force-Siphon wrote: »Stamina is completely over performing at the moment, I agree it has a lot to do with the sets they have access too and the lack of counter sets as compared to things that counter mag builds. If you compare Stam vs mag on every class stam is winning and it's not really close.
I want to have hope for update 12 balancing this out but it's been the trend for a long time.
Magplar is stronger than any stam class atm. Stamplar is joint top with stamblade though in terms of stam builds.
Sandman929 wrote: »ebethke_ESO wrote: »These specific sets aren't really the point. It's the high proc damage (and ease of proc) of stamina sets compared to magicka sets.
which is not the point of this thread. We know that most of the magicka sets sucks, but that have nothing to do with the point in question here. Hopefully with the gazillion new sets comming next patch, there would be good magika sets.
Considering the OPs question "is it just me, or is Viper and Velidreth over the top?" I'd say it is relevant to compare mag set proc damage VS. these stam set procs.
And the answer is yes, they are over the top.
if we are going to nerf things compared on how balanced they are vs magika, we need to nerf a plethora of set/skills/ultimates/evasion/etc. Compare these set relative to their alternatives, magika sets being bad is a complete diferent issue.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
That shows how ZoS treats stam and magicka.
Stambuilds running vicecannon put a strong DoT if an attack is done form stealth. Any attack. (Paired with poison inject/morag tong that's an even stronger attack)... on top of that it has a 15 secs HoT
Magicka builds running Galerion need to accomplish with:
1- Six succesful basic attacks (yeah, in dodgeland)
2- They must be done within 15 secs (how many HA can you cast in 15 secs?)
3- After those 6 attacks, targets detonates for (and this is the best part) 4.5 K magic dmg, which is halved by BS and reduced even more by CPs
Velidreths (compared to Nerieneth or Skoria) just replicates the model shown above: Stam, easy mode; magicka, just nothing.
Both sets aren't that strong, Vice is now fixed and can be purged. Only viable on nightblades.
I'm amazed people think one shotting with stamina builds is somehow new to this game.
The Methods change but the result is still the same.
It's not about one shotting or even ganking, the set is legitimately bugged. When you combo it with a few other sets, you can literally have no stats except maybe regen for maximum trolls and overwhelm people with such insane damage. The thread is about a broken set, not ganking.
Joy_Division wrote: »
ZoS: the company that brings its customer the armor set DoT procs that do more damage than actual skills.
Wearing clothes is the acumen of skill.Joy_Division wrote: »
ZoS: the company that brings its customer the armor set DoT procs that do more damage than actual skills.