Dodging while facing the opposite direction? How is that possible

MonkeyD · August 2016

Hey all, im heavily frustrated with pvp at the moment. Let me explain you why..
So in the last time i spent a lot of time in Cyrodil trying to improve my experience to get better in pvp, i'm playing a mag Sorc .

So here's the problem:
I fight someone and cast my procced Cfrag's at him and he is able to dodge every single one of them. Last Night i had a fight vs a Stamplar, the fight went for about 3 mins i guess everything totally fair nothing outrageous happend. He was very good at dodging what i can understand , all the time he faced in my direction, so he could see my Cfrags coming.
So now to the part i can't understand at all. After those 3 mins he started to run away, i don't know why, in my feeling he had the upperhand on the fight and while he ran away i casted min 5 Cfrag's on him and he could dodge them all. I mean he was running away so he faced in the opposite direction, he couldn't see what i throw at him but he could perfectly dodge all of my frags. Every other attack hit him but the Cfrags were avoided perfectly.

So maybe a lot of you think ok it was just one guy get over it but no i see it all the time when i play openworld PvP. A enemy runs away from several other guys trying to chase him down but no every hard cc is avoided perfectly and you can't stop him. And to be clear i don't talk about Immovable pots i'm speaking of roll dodging. Maybe i should add it's 99% stamina players i see this doing.
I'm sure there are players outside who played that much pvp so they can "feel" when something is thrown at them when they face the opposite direction but i feel there are more and more of them every day. It is hard enough for a magicka class to face stamina players nowaday but this really frustrates me a lot.

So long story short is there a AddOn outside that notifies players when something will CC them? i mean like this PvE AddOn which shows you what attack a Boss will do next?

Would be great if someone could enlighten me:)

Dagoth_Rac · August 2016

Does Crystal Frags make a sound when cast? Maybe they are dodging based on aural cues, not visual cues.

juhasman · August 2016

If You'll hold mouse scroll You can move camera around separately from movement keys , so You can run forward and see what's behind You.

Sharee · August 2016

There are two possibilities. Either he was simply dodge rolling preventively, maybe to give himself the speed boost from the bow line passive, or your frags missed him because of the 20% evasion chance from the shuffle buff.

Minnesinger · August 2016

Isn´t there an addon that says block or something when Crystal Frags are cast? I have seen some addons with floating texts saying what needs to be done.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

Minnesinger wrote: »

Isn´t there an addon that says block or something when Crystal Frags are cast? I have seen some addons with floating texts saying what needs to be done.

Psychic hotline Add-On ?

MonkeyD · August 2016

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Does Crystal Frags make a sound when cast? Maybe they are dodging based on aural cues, not visual cues.

So if you cast Cfrag manually it has a sound but i was talking about procced Cfrags and even if they have a slight sound i can't imagine someone can hear that who is running away from other players. I mean i had to put the volume of my sound really loud to hear it.

Sharee wrote: »

There are two possibilities. Either he was simply dodge rolling preventively, maybe to give himself the speed boost from the bow line passive, or your frags missed him because of the 20% evasion chance from the shuffle buff.

That sounds ok if all of them would wear a bow but i've seen a lot of people who can do this and they don't use a bow

The 20% from shuffel ofc but if he would have dodged it anyway cause of shuffel why he should dodge than? It's really hard for me to explain it the way i want cause english is not my first language but it's just every time i see it i shout out "wtf".

juhasman wrote: »

If You'll hold mouse scroll You can move camera around separately from movement keys , so You can run forward and see what's behind You.

Ok that may be the solution for my problem but i tried it with my mouse and i can't do it

KisoValley · August 2016

1. He can look backwards you know...

2. It has a sound I'm pretty sure?

3. Good reaction times lol, not hard to dodge a crystal frag it's travel time is slow, even running away and facing the wrong way if he sees it behind him he can dodge it with semi decent reaction times

Manoekin · August 2016

Frags travel slow. Many times I've been able to block them not hearing/seeing them until they show up in my field of view, well over half their traveled distance. I imagine someone could dodge it that way too.

fastolfv_ESO · August 2016

people use addons and just dodge when it says dodge. Try sneaking up on a stam build and start casting frags out of sneak, the second its cast they will dodge max range away facing the opposite direction

MonkeyD · August 2016

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

people use addons and just dodge when it says dodge. Try sneaking up on a stam build and start casting frags out of sneak, the second its cast they will dodge max range away facing the opposite direction

Exactly that's what i mean i cast a procced Cfrag and even animation cancel it, yep i try my best to learn and improve on animation cancling, the moment i use my frag they dodge.
I don't want to accuse anyone or anything but it just looks unhuman.
And to be honest when Cfrag travels slow i'd like to know a range skill that travels faster i don't know any^^
And if i run like 10-15m behind you and cast a instant frag like 5 times and everyone is dodged i don't know i just don't know.
Sure i'm just a beginner and far far away from the skill of the big names from ESO pvp but just like i said in my opinion it's just unhuman to dodge 5 instant frags the moment i send them out.

Btw to the guy said it's possible to run and look behind you it works now even left and right is just the other way now and really irritating^^ but thanks a lot i learn everyday something new

caeliusstarbreaker · August 2016

You can zoom your view back pretty far, frags are fairly slow moving, if he is running and sees a purple rock of doom flying from the bottom of his screen he certainly can just dodge.

Sandman929 · August 2016

So wait...was it an active dodge roll, or a dodge due to shuffle or another increase dodge chance skill?

QuebraRegra · August 2016

Minnesinger wrote: »

Isn´t there an addon that says block or something when Crystal Frags are cast? I have seen some addons with floating texts saying what needs to be done.

*recodes addon to execute macro roll dodge*

good times

MonkeyD · August 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

You can zoom your view back pretty far, frags are fairly slow moving, if he is running and sees a purple rock of doom flying from the bottom of his screen he certainly can just dodge.

I definetly believe that but i don't talk about dodging if the frag appears on their screen, i talk about dodging the moment i realease it

sry like i said earlier my english is not the best and i struggle to find the right words to decribe it the way i want

btw "purple rock of doom" you gave me a good laugh

Sandman929 wrote: »

So wait...was it an active dodge roll, or a dodge due to shuffle or another increase dodge chance skill?

I'm talking about an active dodge roll

Telel · August 2016

There's also the crusader armor which adds 0.3 seconds to your dodge time after a dodge is executed.

Telel is also known to be quite the dodge monkey and can confirm that with proper timing it is not to difficult to manage a few dodge rolls if all a sorceror does is toss frags out at people. It's basically the same tactic used to frustrate snipe spammers.

In the end it all comes down to counting to four, and keeping either mirage or shuffle up. Possibly while running forward momentum, immovable, or using immovable potions.

Minnesinger · August 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Minnesinger wrote: »

Isn´t there an addon that says block or something when Crystal Frags are cast? I have seen some addons with floating texts saying what needs to be done.

Psychic hotline Add-On ?

There it is download it for psychic hotline add-on experience known generally as Combat Cloud

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info281-CombatCloud.html

caeliusstarbreaker · August 2016

MonkeyD wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

You can zoom your view back pretty far, frags are fairly slow moving, if he is running and sees a purple rock of doom flying from the bottom of his screen he certainly can just dodge.

I definetly believe that but i don't talk about dodging if the frag appears on their screen, i talk about dodging the moment i realease it sry like i said earlier my english is not the best and i struggle to find the right words to decribe it the way i want
btw "purple rock of doom" you gave me a good laugh

Sandman929 wrote: »

So wait...was it an active dodge roll, or a dodge due to shuffle or another increase dodge chance skill?

I'm talking about an active dodge roll

My apologies for the misinterpretation. That can likely be explained by just a stam players tendency to intermittently dodge roll upon repositioning, to include used with a bow.

Added: glad you got a laugh out of it.

Crispen_Longbow · August 2016

All this dodge rolling makes you work up a sweat. I prefer to work up a sweat pursing other activities! Maybe on a lake beach house

, but I digress. Shouldn't we move back to simpler mechanics such as gentlemen duels?

God_flakes · August 2016

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

All this dodge rolling makes you work up a sweat. I prefer to work up a sweat pursing other activities! Maybe on a lake beach house , but I digress. Shouldn't we move back to simpler mechanics such as gentlemen duels?

Is it proper form for a lady to ask a gentleman to duel?