This seems a little complicated and a waste of DLC, in my opinion It also kinda sounds like a partial Auction House, haha. Probably just me!

I like the idea. except for the stealing part lol. You are going to make this the only way your stuff can be stole from you, no one would do it.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

here we go again....

answer this one question....

given that there are four ways that all player can buy and sell things why should zos divert resources to create a fifth?

please, if you are going to answer it, try to do it in a coherent manner..... so we all can understand.

Without text chat with a trading channel on consoles it can be frustrating competing with crying children and dub step music playing in the background with all the other conversations trying to sell wax for 3k.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

phaseadept wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

here we go again....

answer this one question....

given that there are four ways that all player can buy and sell things why should zos divert resources to create a fifth?

please, if you are going to answer it, try to do it in a coherent manner..... so we all can understand.

Without text chat with a trading channel on consoles it can be frustrating competing with crying children and dub step music playing in the background with all the other conversations trying to sell wax for 3k.

i take you point and i have some sympathy with console players.... but hey, you get what you pay for. text chat is, allegedly, coming to consoles in 10 days time i think... 16th isn't it?

Allegedly .

I don't have an issue with trade guilds, other than the upkeep costs of joining most of them, and the secrecy of the bids, and the trade guild leaders colluding on prices.

I don't sell much, and when I do it's for the benefit of other players. I can understand those who want access to the market though.

Somebody just needs to make a website for eso trading like d2jsp for diablo 2.

Damn dude, still going on about this nonsense? What you're asking for doesn't make any kind of sense realistically, and what's more this system is perfectly good as it is and is in need of only minor tweaks at the most.

The two things you complain about most are paying taxes/dues to trade guilds and having to hoof it all over looking for what you want, but you fail to understand economics at all by complaining about taxes and dues, and not having a global search function is a feature that should absolutely stay as it is. You're not supposed to find what you want easily (it devalues loot if it's too easy to find and buy it when you're supposed to actually be playing the game to acquire most of your loot), and you're supposed to have to be at the trader in person to know what he has or what prices he has things at.

I have suggested before that I'm happy with Guild Leaders setting minimum prices for everything that can be sold across the board and then allowing non-members to post items at a significantly higher cut to the Guild, like 33% or some such. So anyone who wants to make use of the Traders could sell all they want and not even need to be members, allowing them to make use of the prime selling locations (while at the same time being unable to undercut actual members because of the price minimum set by the Guild Leader).

You just want everything to be cheap and easy to buy, and what's more you want to sell without having any regard for how economics actually work, so of course your suggestions are all gibberish.

Also just FYI, I'm a Guild Leader technically but it's a tiny guild with just me and a friend as active members and we don't have a trader or anything like that, the only guilds I have traders in are guilds in which I'm a member but not in any position of authority that makes decisions about things like raffles or dues or anything like that. I pay 10,000 a month to be a Senator in Imperium (don't need to be a Senator to sell but I like supporting the guild, they're good people and not annoying kids as you seem to think), 3000 per week in Coldharbour Trading Co (+a couple raffle tickets for another 1000 each just for good measure), 5000 per week in Secret Sauce, and 10,000 per week in XpTheGuildxp (that last one is struggling to get a trader, it's my PvP guild and we mostly just PvP, amd anyone that can afford it contributes towards a trader, myself included), and I more than make back my money in sales, a LOT more.

I'm also 28 by the way, so not a kid, and neither are most people who run Trading Guilds, they don't just pocket the money either. They use the money as giveaways for raffles to keep people buying tickets, but mainly they use it to buy a Trader in a good location (and you can't afford the good locations if people are stingy and don't contribute)

So you're being antisocial and are vehemently against Trading Guilds all for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, the Guilds and the people who lead them/inhabit them are not the villains you make them out to be, and you're just being lazy like so many others when you ask for things like a global search function and centralized selling. It's not supposed to be easy to find anything you want at a consistently cheap price, the game is not trying to be like Walmart and it never will be or should be.

Of course the current system is the only system anyone has been able to come up with that is any good at all and that also doesn't completely violate lore and shatter immersion, and as long as you keep complaining about things that aren't actually problems you have no ground to stand on when arguing against this system.

You are just being whiny for no good reason and should grow up already and get over it (LMFAO at you complaining about these "kids" and their trading guilds when you're the only one acting like a petulant child), I've responded to your posts with multiple rebuttals that have entirely shot down everything you suggest, and all you've done is ignore me because you know I'm right and that you would fail miserably at trying to argue against me, and right you are about that much at least, even if nothing else.

Just grow up dude and let it go, it's not going to happen, seeing all these threads and now your signature devoted to this is just sad. And what's with all the caps? Seriously dude, capitalize one or two words for emphasis, entire sentences capped just makes you look childish and foolish even more than your arguments do on their own (which is plenty to be getting on with I can assure you).

No
If anything...the crafting system should instead of writs for junk, be player requests

Problem solved partially
This would be mats and items in these writs instead of random things gathered and crafted only to go into the NPC void.

@Lucius_Aelius You are officially my ESO hero.

I loved your argument just one small issue you left out....
This kid, @esometric wants these solo stalls to sell for, in a different thread it was 10 mil now he's dropped it to 5 mil! How exactly are players used to come up with such large amount of gold without using the current guild trading system you violently hate so much?

And since I have you attention, or so I hope, maybe you will answer my question I ask you a thousand times. Please present a logical coherent argument against the current system.

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

@Lucius_Aelius You are officially my ESO hero.

I loved your argument just one small issue you left out....
This kid, @esometric wants these solo stalls to sell for, in a different thread it was 10 mil now he's dropped it to 5 mil! How exactly are players used to come up with such large amount of gold without using the current guild trading system you violently hate so much?

And since I have you attention, or so I hope, maybe you will answer my question I ask you a thousand times. Please present a logical coherent argument against the current system.

Quite right I missed that part in my comments on this thread. As I said in another thread my issue with stalls is that either everyone would be selling from the same ones and it would basically be an AH, especially with the global search function, or that everyone would have different stalls and there'd be a million of them all over. The former would be a horrible change for reasons I've stated, and the latter is just utterly impractical quite apart from any price that the stalls would cost. Also it's easy enough to adjust the cost without changing his idea at it's core, and it's the core of his suggestion that I have an issue with, which is why I never bothered arguing that point about stall costs specifically.

I personally just find the cost to be quite funny.

And frankly, his idea would just completely crash the servers. This game can't handle a busy area with people spamming skills, how can he expect it to handle a bunch of solo stores? That's a lot of info the server would have to be able to pull.