Rec wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

Sounds about right.

Your name rings a bell.

https://youtu.be/ey8AOcAZqYc

I whispered you after saying I got health desynced and you completely ignored me.

LeifErickson wrote: »

Rec wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

Sounds about right.

Your name rings a bell.

https://youtu.be/ey8AOcAZqYc

I whispered you after saying I got health desynced and you completely ignored me.

Gf man. Don't remember a whisper. Cheers.

Rec wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Rec wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

Sounds about right.

Your name rings a bell.

https://youtu.be/ey8AOcAZqYc

I whispered you after saying I got health desynced and you completely ignored me.

Gf man. Don't remember a whisper. Cheers.

I'm not really sure what your intent was with posting that video here but here is mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPCJPPrF1jQ

Watch at least that first clip. I'm sure you remember it well.

And yes it was a good fight up until I got health desynced.

Needs to be fixed, proccs too often from dots and direct hits and heals way too much

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Hey, if anyone has doubts about this set being broken... im a leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRUKKpYepdc

I watched that, and one of the guys there was doing nothing but light attacks... If you're on pc and using a console controller I would be interested in seeing what the real breakdown is. Saptanks are strong enough to pull what was in that video, unless the monster set was providing its 10k+ heals I doubt it really helped much vs a swarm of lemmings.

@CP5

Did you consider that at the very start of the video the amount of damage she was taking? Just because the CP of these players was low does not mean there wasn't a significant amount of damage being dealt against her.

Also what would you do in that situation if you saw 10+ people wailing into 1 person and they are surviving? I'm assuming some people gave up and just started light attacking.

Yes, a SAP tank is capable of similar results you see in the video. They have many HoT abilities and the increased healing alone from Malubeth would make SAP tank's very sustainable.

However, i do not think any SAP tank heals are capable of producing 7.5k none crits. It's possible a ward could achieve this but if you compare the frequency these high valued ticks were being received.. i think it's unlikely and its Malubeths work here. You can see these ticks happening around 0:20 - 0:30 in the video (switching the video quality to 720pHD would help alot).


I just want to state that i'm not trying to under value the strength of a good SAP tank build. I just think this video is a good example (that is current) to showcase the healing ticks produced from the Malubeth set proc. Especially since this video showcases the best case scenario environment for the set.

Overall, i'm really just trying to see this set taken to a controlled environment and tested.. but so far i have not seen any videos on the forums doing so.

maxjapank wrote: »

. I will wait to comment. Need bigger screen. Lol.

its more so about the ticks of healing being received. the video is a good showcase of sap tanking.

LeifErickson wrote: »

Rec wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Rec wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

BurritoESO wrote: »

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

Sounds about right.

Your name rings a bell.

https://youtu.be/ey8AOcAZqYc

I whispered you after saying I got health desynced and you completely ignored me.

Gf man. Don't remember a whisper. Cheers.

I'm not really sure what your intent was with posting that video here but here is mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPCJPPrF1jQ

Watch at least that first clip. I'm sure you remember it well.

And yes it was a good fight up until I got health desynced.

Watched! I was really glad to get my revenge on you.
https://youtu.be/ey8AOcAZqYc

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

(A)CP5

Did you consider that at the very start of the video the amount of damage she was taking? Just because the CP of these players was low does not mean there wasn't a significant amount of damage being dealt against her.

Also what would you do in that situation if you saw 10+ people wailing into 1 person and they are surviving? I'm assuming some people gave up and just started light attacking.

Yes, a SAP tank is capable of similar results you see in the video. They have many HoT abilities and the increased healing alone from Malubeth would make SAP tank's very sustainable.

However, i do not think any SAP tank heals are capable of producing 7.5k none crits. It's possible a ward could achieve this but if you compare the frequency these high valued ticks were being received.. i think it's unlikely and its Malubeths work here. You can see these ticks happening around 0:20 - 0:30 in the video (switching the video quality to 720pHD would help alot).


I just want to state that i'm not trying to under value the strength of a good SAP tank build. I just think this video is a good example (that is current) to showcase the healing ticks produced from the Malubeth set proc. Especially since this video showcases the best case scenario environment for the set.

Overall, i'm really just trying to see this set taken to a controlled environment and tested.. but so far i have not seen any videos on the forums doing so.

Watched the video again at .25 speed and kept an eye on what skills were being cast and what incoming heals were taken. All i can say is yes, combat logs are showing this set is providing heals that are stronger than intended, but that video isn't one of them. All I see, again, is a swarm of people willingly procing the monster set, on a tank designed to feed off of large groups of enemies. Those DC were their own worse enemy, so many of them were just, there, and sap essence, just like inhale and jabs, heals for more based on an increased pool of enemies. If I was looking to tank a group like that would be what I would look for. All willing to deal low damage, continuously proc one of my self healing buffs, and stand well within range of my life steal aoe. Malubeth was simply a piece of a good build, and the only exploit was that blob of enemies who couldn't quite figure out how to put them down.

I don't know how people are coming up with the 6k per second tick, I'm wearing malebuth and the only time I see a tick even that big is when I force proc my rally when malebuth is chaining. Oh and if there are 4 people hitting me my malebuth procs on all of them and gives me a total of 2.5k to 3k heals pet tick cause I got 4 beams coming out of it. On a 1v1 it never ticks for more that 400-500. Unless I use igneous for the extra healing buff.

Edit: oh and it's especially hard to notice the hp drop cause of the black rose set as well. That set is a beast when combined with fasallas. Heal debuff on enemy heal buff for yourself.

sluice wrote: »

I also can't seem to recreate those ridiculous heals mentioned here with the set.
It's a pain to test on console thought, without any way to keep logs of combat data.

I've spent an hour trying to proc this set in a 1v1 with a friend.

This set procs really easily (albeit too easy) when hit with DOTs..
Sit in a Ritual of Retribution or Caltrops? It will proc, it won't be long.
Things like Puncturing Sweep/Jabs will make this set proc like crazy as well.

So, say you are sitting in a opponent Ritual of Retribution and your are hit with Puncturing sweep.
It will proc like a mother.....

Suggestion
Nothing surprising here... but let's pretend this set is in fact not broken, a potential good nerf idea would be to change the set so DOT don't proc it? Not sure if it's easily doable with the current system in place.
Or simply put a cooldown of 5 seconds between each proc. When beam is broken, set can't proc for another 5 seconds.

Question: @Barlthump, We can have more than 1 active beam at a time? Can anyone else confirm this?

Yeah making it not proc off dots is a bad idea cause it usually doesn't out heal the DoT. A 5 seconds cooldown is way too insane if you are caught in a 1vx situation. I mean the only people that wear the set and survive long are tanks and shafting us again would seriously demoralise anyone.

I think you can have more then one beam at a time. I see multiple purple beams out of my face sometimes. It could be my freezing computer screen though.

sluice wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I also can't seem to recreate those ridiculous heals mentioned here with the set.
It's a pain to test on console thought, without any way to keep logs of combat data.

I've spent an hour trying to proc this set in a 1v1 with a friend.

This set procs really easily (albeit too easy) when hit with DOTs..
Sit in a Ritual of Retribution or Caltrops? It will proc, it won't be long.
Things like Puncturing Sweep/Jabs will make this set proc like crazy as well.

So, say you are sitting in a opponent Ritual of Retribution and your are hit with Puncturing sweep.
It will proc like a mother.....

Suggestion
Nothing surprising here... but let's pretend this set is in fact not broken, a potential good nerf idea would be to change the set so DOT don't proc it? Not sure if it's easily doable with the current system in place.
Or simply put a cooldown of 5 seconds between each proc. When beam is broken, set can't proc for another 5 seconds.

Question: @Barlthump, We can have more than 1 active beam at a time? Can anyone else confirm this?

Yeah making it not proc off dots is a bad idea cause it usually doesn't out heal the DoT. A 5 seconds cooldown is way too insane if you are caught in a 1vx situation. I mean the only people that wear the set and survive long are tanks and shafting us again would seriously demoralise anyone.

I think you can have more then one beam at a time. I see multiple purple beams out of my face sometimes. It could be my freezing computer screen though.

Why should it out heal the Dot, anyway?

That said, you may be right that 5 seconds is too long. It would need to be deeply tested in different scenarios.

Is it even possible for the set to proc when the beam is already active?
If so, perhaps a potential fix would be to simply make the set not proc when the beam is active.

Or simply having a cooldown like I suggested earlier of 1 - 5 seconds. Depending on what is fair.

Could the big heals come because of the set proccing when the beam is active?

Say you have major mending + the increased 30% from Malubeth... And the set procs again:
Your heal from the second Malubeth proc will be augmented by your major mending AND your 30% from malubeth, etc.

I don't think the set procs it's 30% more than once, you can however have multiple beams. Remember there is also a PvE portion of the game that has DoTs and malebuth proc there is quite a good thing to have. It would suck if I can't hold my ground against bogdan white fire on the floor when a member of my party goes down.

Erock25 wrote: »

I spent three hours pvping last night and tracked total healing done. Malubeth proc'd around 380 times and had an average heal of 750. There must be some bug with stacking healing buffs, because I have none besides CP and I get normal malu heals.

This is excellent information. Did you track outliers? In other words, did Malu proc with these massive heal ticks at all for you, or were all heal ticks in the 3 digits?