Please nerf the Malubeth set

maxjapank · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

I'm confused as to why Joy's data shows Deep Breath Heals, and yet this one doesn't. Where are the Deep Breath heals? Are they included in the Scourge Heals? I'm clearly too tired to make heads or tails of this.

Sharee · July 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

I'm confused as to why Joy's data shows Deep Breath Heals, and yet this one doesn't. Where are the Deep Breath heals? Are they included in the Scourge Heals? I'm clearly too tired to make heads or tails of this.

The deep breath you see on my screenshot is the explosion. The heal happened when the spell was initially cast, 2.5 seconds before the explosion, and thus is off-screen in the log.

zyk · July 2016

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Please consider disabling Malubeth ASAP if you are unable to fix it soon. Everywhere I went last night, there was Malubeth cheese ruining gameplay.

maxjapank · July 2016

Sharee wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

I'm confused as to why Joy's data shows Deep Breath Heals, and yet this one doesn't. Where are the Deep Breath heals? Are they included in the Scourge Heals? I'm clearly too tired to make heads or tails of this.

The deep breath you see on my screenshot is the explosion. The heal happened when the spell was initially cast, 2.5 seconds before the explosion, and thus is off-screen in the log.

Thanks. I see. But now I have one more question.

In the log, you are being healed for 11.5k four times within two seconds. Just what kinda damage are you taking to be healed 50k? I can't see that much damage happening in the log you posted. Was there other damage happening from somewhere else, besides the B A D T player?

kuro-dono · July 2016

you can be healed from most of the healing sources even if you are at 100% health.

Ryuho · July 2016

Reactive set + Malubeth + Templar = GG

Francescolg · July 2016

Anyone can pick a picture, where a %-chance proc goes off a few times. But nobody will post a combat log where the set did not proc for minutes. But that is what occurs in game! Procs can (luckily) go off a few consecutive times.. That is what your picture shows, nothing else. In real life, some states have even declared war to other states because of such a "picture of pure & true evidence", just remember...

Now to Malubeth: If you have sets in the game, which can hurt people (AE) with 6-15k damage, you have to offer sets which can heal the same amount, AT the same rate of the damaging sets. This is called balance.

MOLAG KENA can be hold up constantly (for example in a weapon-attack based build) and, YES, 500 spell/weapon dmg is a little bit imbalanced and unfair..
The same applies to NERIENTH and V.SKORIA sets. ----> WE COULD POST COMBAT LOGS WHERE NERIENTH and V.SKORIA proc continuously (or all 4 seconds) and YES, this CAN happen but it doesn't happen all the time! I can come to this forums and post a picture of too-high-weapon attacks and all other forms of pure DPS-builds, which are in the game live, and nobody will care because everybody and their grandmas are using them.
The current meta is too much based on weapon attacks, and, that is why you will always need a counter-set to all that %-damage-procs which bring people to 5k weapon/spell damage, which make even their pure weapon attacks too powerful. The Maulbeth Set is only one possible counter!

What's next? Will you complain about the Engine Guardian Set? When it procs it also offers a second target and therefore (deviation) it is too powerful?

You know, in this game, there are groups of 2 people (stamina classes for example) who can bring down a bomplar in under 10 seconds. That not all people can do this, is just a proof of their lack of skill.

Chuga_Rei · July 2016

I lost my damn screen shots. But I ran this in vMSA to do some testing. As a stage 4 vamp i was able to tank crematoriam guards with no problem rocking maulbeth and reactive. If my DPS wasnt low I could see you just running the whole instance with this set tanking it with no real difficulty.

I couldnt care less if someone is feeling froggy and wants to come into my keep, leap sucker. But fighting people with this is so obnoxious its unreal, and I can purify/flare it.

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2016

Everyone on Ps4 is currently using this set. Mission control, we have a problem.

This set should be disabled until fixed.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Ling · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

^ this + a 10-20 secs cooldown!!!

then is everthing fine again

Ishammael · July 2016

Last night was the first time I had a true rage-induced moment with this set.

Beast, Cory, and I executed a perfect Banner/Nova/Fire siege drop on the top of a resource tower against ~10 EP. The entire lot of them hit 10% health in seconds. Then I counted no less than 4 Malubeth procs. Every, single, one of them lived.

Yes, I have a video. Maybe I'll post it. Not sure what its worth though.

FENGRUSH · July 2016

Francescolg wrote: »

Anyone can pick a picture, where a %-chance proc goes off a few times. But nobody will post a combat log where the set did not proc for minutes. But that is what occurs in game! Procs can (luckily) go off a few consecutive times.. That is what your picture shows, nothing else. In real life, some states have even declared war to other states because of such a "picture of pure & true evidence", just remember...

Now to Malubeth: If you have sets in the game, which can hurt people (AE) with 6-15k damage, you have to offer sets which can heal the same amount, AT the same rate of the damaging sets. This is called balance.

MOLAG KENA can be hold up constantly (for example in a weapon-attack based build) and, YES, 500 spell/weapon dmg is a little bit imbalanced and unfair..
The same applies to NERIENTH and V.SKORIA sets. ----> WE COULD POST COMBAT LOGS WHERE NERIENTH and V.SKORIA proc continuously (or all 4 seconds) and YES, this CAN happen but it doesn't happen all the time! I can come to this forums and post a picture of too-high-weapon attacks and all other forms of pure DPS-builds, which are in the game live, and nobody will care because everybody and their grandmas are using them.
The current meta is too much based on weapon attacks, and, that is why you will always need a counter-set to all that %-damage-procs which bring people to 5k weapon/spell damage, which make even their pure weapon attacks too powerful. The Maulbeth Set is only one possible counter!

What's next? Will you complain about the Engine Guardian Set? When it procs it also offers a second target and therefore (deviation) it is too powerful?

You know, in this game, there are groups of 2 people (stamina classes for example) who can bring down a bomplar in under 10 seconds. That not all people can do this, is just a proof of their lack of skill.

Lol this man loves his malubeth

Totally quoted the wrong person. Fixed~

LeifErickson · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Amusing how this bug has singlehandedly created a tank meta.

Namely a magplar tank meta.

Like if you're playing anything else you're at a notable disadvantage.

@LeifErickson What time is it??

It's templar time.
@BurritoESO

Erock25 · July 2016

I must be using this set wrong because I don't see these huge heal numbers.

Sharee · July 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

I must be using this set wrong because I don't see these huge heal numbers.

They certainly are not super-common. I've been playing with the set for the past 2 hours and checked the combat log after every fight. I did not see any more 10K heals, altho there were several in the 3500-4000 range. Overall i would say about 80% of the time it procs, it does regular healing (500-1500 range). The rest of the time the numbers can be out of whack.

It's almost as if the game assigned a random multiplier to the scourge heal everytime it procs, anywhere from 1x to 10x, with the higher multipliers being more rare.

WreckfulAbandon · July 2016

Francescolg wrote: »

Anyone can pick a picture, where a %-chance proc goes off a few times. But nobody will post a combat log where the set did not proc for minutes. But that is what occurs in game! Procs can (luckily) go off a few consecutive times.. That is what your picture shows, nothing else. In real life, some states have even declared war to other states because of such a "picture of pure & true evidence", just remember...

Now to Malubeth: If you have sets in the game, which can hurt people (AE) with 6-15k damage, you have to offer sets which can heal the same amount, AT the same rate of the damaging sets. This is called balance.

MOLAG KENA can be hold up constantly (for example in a weapon-attack based build) and, YES, 500 spell/weapon dmg is a little bit imbalanced and unfair..
The same applies to NERIENTH and V.SKORIA sets. ----> WE COULD POST COMBAT LOGS WHERE NERIENTH and V.SKORIA proc continuously (or all 4 seconds) and YES, this CAN happen but it doesn't happen all the time! I can come to this forums and post a picture of too-high-weapon attacks and all other forms of pure DPS-builds, which are in the game live, and nobody will care because everybody and their grandmas are using them.
The current meta is too much based on weapon attacks, and, that is why you will always need a counter-set to all that %-damage-procs which bring people to 5k weapon/spell damage, which make even their pure weapon attacks too powerful. The Maulbeth Set is only one possible counter!

What's next? Will you complain about the Engine Guardian Set? When it procs it also offers a second target and therefore (deviation) it is too powerful?

You know, in this game, there are groups of 2 people (stamina classes for example) who can bring down a bomplar in under 10 seconds. That not all people can do this, is just a proof of their lack of skill.

Maulbeth, as is, is OP and broken, you don't need to read combat logs to tell this when you fight people using it and can clearly see the purple beam saving their lives multiple times during a fight.

And for the record I would call Engine Guardian OP, but everyone else seems to have accepted that it's in the game and here to stay. I seem to remember people complaining about infinite resources but everyone seems to forget to mention EG in those discussions. Not to mention, with the crap targeting system, I've had Dwarven Spheres pop up and eat Frag procs or even Meteors. I do use the set from time to time, but I've always considered it cheesy and would have no problem with just making it a great regen set or something.

kit_sune · July 2016

#nerfmagDK

Vanzen · July 2016

This set is the Mag DK saviour.

I had abandonned all hope before and went stam that I hate, then I got the set and sloted dragon blood for the first time in months.

And then everything was so great again.

Honnestly this set is a blessing for the average player (that I am ...)

It will fundamentaly change nothing. The great players will still be ahead.

Its just that pvp becomes so much more relaxing with this set.

What it does its giving you more time to adapt and react to a situation.

zyk · July 2016

Vanzen wrote: »

This set is the Mag DK saviour.

I had abandonned all hope before and went stam that I hate, then I got the set and sloted dragon blood for the first time in months.

And then everything was so great again.

Honnestly this set is a blessing for the average player (that I am ...)

It will fundamentaly change nothing. The great players will still be ahead.

Its just that pvp becomes so much more relaxing with this set.

What it does its giving you more time to adapt and react to a situation.

Post of the year. Ugh.

WreckfulAbandon · July 2016

Vanzen wrote: »

This set is the Mag DK saviour.

I had abandonned all hope before and went stam that I hate, then I got the set and sloted dragon blood for the first time in months.

And then everything was so great again.

Honnestly this set is a blessing for the average player (that I am ...)

It will fundamentaly change nothing. The great players will still be ahead.

Its just that pvp becomes so much more relaxing with this set.

What it does its giving you more time to adapt and react to a situation.

I understand it might be a breath of fresh air to some, but for the health of PvP you need to let this set (as it currently is) go. Please look beyond yourself and see that this set is promoting some toxic gameplay and attitudes in Cyrodiil.

BurritoESO · July 2016

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

KenaPKK · July 2016

Vanzen wrote: »

This set is the Mag DK saviour.

I had abandonned all hope before and went stam that I hate, then I got the set and sloted dragon blood for the first time in months.

And then everything was so great again.

Honnestly this set is a blessing for the average player (that I am ...)

It will fundamentaly change nothing. The great players will still be ahead.

Its just that pvp becomes so much more relaxing with this set.

What it does its giving you more time to adapt and react to a situation.

zyk wrote: »

Vanzen wrote: »

This set is the Mag DK saviour.

I had abandonned all hope before and went stam that I hate, then I got the set and sloted dragon blood for the first time in months.

And then everything was so great again.

Honnestly this set is a blessing for the average player (that I am ...)

It will fundamentaly change nothing. The great players will still be ahead.

Its just that pvp becomes so much more relaxing with this set.

What it does its giving you more time to adapt and react to a situation.

Post of the year. Ugh.

Doesn't make it balanced. Why not learn from mistakes, talk with some better players about builds and tactics, and improve your own play? Sorry but I have little sympathy for complacency, or for buggy sets carrying people.

Most_Awesome · July 2016

I cant wait for the next DLC when I don't know....Reactive set procs on everything and that becomes the new meta, and people come to defend it as working fine as it finally allows them to 1vX and be Pro lol

juhasman · July 2016

Rec wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

Ok that's insane. I have never ever healed like that while running malubeth. Was that before the patch? I sure as hell dont get that return or anywhere close. ?

Before patch it would be 15k

juhasman · July 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

I must be using this set wrong because I don't see these huge heal numbers.

Have You ever had major manding and major vitality together while malubeth proc on You? That's mostly when the magic starts to happen. But even without those 2 buffs i had 5-7k ticks on stam sorc.

Rec · July 2016

So if someone is healing to much what do you think you should be doing? It's not endless complaining on forums IMO. Sorry

Erock25 · July 2016

juhasman wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I must be using this set wrong because I don't see these huge heal numbers.

Have You ever had major manding and major vitality together while malubeth proc on You? That's mostly when the magic starts to happen. But even without those 2 buffs i had 5-7k ticks on stam sorc.

No. I generally don't have either buff, ever. I'll keep a closer eye on my heal tracker, but I've had a bunch of hours with malubeth now and have not noticed any malubeth heals above 2k.

LeifErickson · July 2016

BurritoESO wrote: »

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

Sounds about right.

KenaPKK · July 2016

BurritoESO wrote: »

@LeifErickson @KenaPKK
Heavy armor malubeth magicka Templar and the stam DK that leeches our honor the deads time.

shame I can't be there haha miss youuu

DHale · July 2016

I love that ppl are dawn breaking ppl after empowering for 18k plus, incap strikes for 13 k plus radiating ppl at 100 health for 14 k plus and reverse slicing ppl for 9700 and then worry about a set that heals you and kills... no one. We have battle spirit because of the 2 second fights. Does anyone like battle spirit?