Please nerf the Malubeth set

KenaPKK · July 2016

Ehhh I don't think that 30% bonus healing with a 200hps hot dependent on a breakable tether is op. It's the bug making the hot tick for 10k+ that's op imo.

Joy_Division · July 2016

The set does not need to be nerfed, it needs to be fixed. The difference is significant and ought to be emphasized. Find out what is causing it to get 10K heal procs as shown in the pics by @Sharee . When the set functions correctly, is it not nerfworthy.

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KenaPKK · July 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

The set does not need to be nerfed, it needs to be fixed. The difference is significant and ought to be emphasized. Find out what is causing it to get 10K heal procs as shown in the pics by @Sharee . When the set functions correctly, is it not nerfworthy.

What's the context around this screenshot? I'm wondering what made the set function correctly for you here but not in the other screenshot.

zyk · July 2016

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

KenaPKK · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

WreckfulAbandon · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

Why should Fasallas Guile and Maulbeth bypass the Major/Minor buff system that ZOS methodically forced every other buff/debuff to conform to?

That said, I just want a basic bug fix and we can see what we're left with after.

zyk · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

I don't think you know what a witch hunt is.

KenaPKK · July 2016

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

Why should Fasallas Guile and Maulbeth bypass the Major/Minor buff system that ZOS methodically forced every other buff/debuff to conform to?

That said, I just want a basic bug fix and we can see what we're left with after.

Malubeth is excused because it is an Undaunted set. They're designed as unique effects so that classes and builds aren't excluded from using them.

The exception to this being the crappy 2pc Major Ward + Resolve set coming out with the next patch. Good 1pc, but such a half-assed 2pc...

Fasalla's is excused because heals are overtuned. It was fully intended to stack from the beginning, and the fact that it does benefits the game.

zyk wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

I don't think you know what a witch hunt is.

Toss 'em in the lake! If they sink and drown, they're innocent. If they float, burn the witch!

Minalan · July 2016

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

Why should Fasallas Guile and Maulbeth bypass the Major/Minor buff system that ZOS methodically forced every other buff/debuff to conform to?

That said, I just want a basic bug fix and we can see what we're left with after.

I'm with this. Fix the bug, you'll see half the game stop using it.

Tower_Of_Shame · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

In addition to its bugs being fixed, its healing buff needs to be changed to Major Vitality IMO. Major Mending + Major Vitality + 30% is too much.

I'm not convinced the bug is new. I recall some 2.3 videos featuring Malubeth that seemed very off.

The witch hunt begins!

Why should Fasallas Guile and Maulbeth bypass the Major/Minor buff system that ZOS methodically forced every other buff/debuff to conform to?

That said, I just want a basic bug fix and we can see what we're left with after.

I'm with this. Fix the bug, you'll see half the game stop using it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOCD_Jzre3c

Most_Awesome · July 2016

I'm happy with the set, even with the 30% healing increase on the proc, but what's killing peoples will to live in PvP is the free Breath of Lifes the set is chucking out which is completely broken

KenaPKK · July 2016

Most_Awesome wrote: »

I'm happy with the set, even with the 30% healing increase on the proc, but what's killing peoples will to live in PvP is the free Breath of Lifes the set is chucking out which is completely broken

Someone make this man an Oprah meme.

Master_Kas · July 2016

Most_Awesome wrote: »

I'm happy with the set, even with the 30% healing increase on the proc, but what's killing peoples will to live in PvP is the free Breath of Lifes the set is chucking out which is completely broken

This. To much trash using this set right now.

I used it a bit when DB dropped, until I see the videos/pics posted on the forums and by friends. Then I dropped it.

#FixMalubeth

NeillMcAttack · July 2016

This set is painful. There are groups all over the sewers steamrolling the districts ALL now using this. I have it myself but it's one of those things that I can't bring myself to condone by running it myself.

The last thing PvP needed was for the "the golden" to sell this nonsense!!

Does anyone think we will see a hotfix for this? No, me neither!!

Neowit · July 2016

Lol, been trying to grind AP to buy this broken set at the Golden. But I keep getting slaughtered by people who already have this broken set.

Arthg · July 2016

PvP melee DoT builds were already quite tricky to play (but immensely fun imho).
Now that everyone and their Guar's mother-in-law wear Malu, they've become completely useless.

You know something's wrong when everybody starts wearing the same thing anyway.

Valencer · July 2016

Arthg wrote: »

You know something's wrong when everybody starts wearing the same thing anyway.

Now that's just too much common sense!

bardx86 · July 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Aenlir wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

I'm not debating that this set is OP or fair and square...

It is super strong on a templar because of major mending, especially when you have 2+ person on you.
In 1v1, unless you are fighting a DOT build, it's decent at best.

This set won't make you survive agains't 2+ good player at the same time.
But it will definitely help.

People don't seem to realize that when it procs, the beam breaks after 10 meters..

Considering that this set is especially strong on templars and that templars are slow as $h!t....
Just dodge roll away from the templar and voilà.

Otherwise, the said templar will simply puncturing sweep you to death while healing himself ridiculously.

If you guys really want to talk about cheese, let's talk about Templar Sun Shield build. I've seen these some guys surviving with 10-12 people on them.

PS: I am a Malubeth user on my Templar, not hiding it. I have been before everyone started complaining about it and I don't intend to stop using it.

I find it really funny that 90% of the persons that I'm fighting do not attempt to break the beam... just like most people instead of interrupting the Dwarven from Engine Guardian when he's healing just continue to attack their opponent, uh?

I'll repeat one last time... Break the beam, guys... ; )

It's not only OP, it's broken...
Can't defend it.

You know something is OP and broken when everyone in Cyrodiil is using it xD

I am kinda glad the helm can be bought now. Means everyone in cyro can have it (the shoulder was already on sale a month ago). The more prominent the issue, the faster it will be fixed.

Hahahahahaha hahahahaha! *Falls over laughing*. It's been broken for months, the devs won't fix it. At this point they either can't find it (not smart enough) or they just don't care (about PVP that is).

Professionals, like SWTOR and WOW developers fix this kind of thing right away. Days, not weeks or months. @Wrobel is a little kid picking his nose and wetting himself in comparison.

KenaPKK wrote: »

It's not op, and people shouldn't be banned for using it. The set worked just like its tooltip says for months and months, and not one peep from the community. Heck, I rarely saw anyone else using it aside from myself.

The set is broken since the DB patch. Something in the calculations is clearly not working properly and is resulting in 12k+ heals from the tether, which has never been and should not be the case. It just needs a bug fix. The more you forumtards push for anything else, the more likely ZOS is to nerf the range or duration into oblivion and never fix the bug, leaving the set useless for eternity.

My guess? Something in the code is taking the CP count (501) instead of the level (50) as a parameter.

It's a bonehead mistake, but they need to consider reducing the base set effectiveness as well. It's currently 'too good' for Templars under battle spirit.

Why bother to nerf healing 50% and then give most of it right back? Again with ZOS idiocy.

love it

Qbiken · July 2016

ESO community logic: Tanking and surviving against multiple people is a sin, but bursting people down in 3 - 4 hits and then having mobility is balanced. Mmmkay.

Most spot on I´ve read in a long time *hat off*

Paraflex · July 2016

Take it to Nerf City Please

svartorn · July 2016

<forumcrybabies>Nerf everyting. </forumcrybabies>

Rec · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Please run the numbers to see how common this set is becoming. Whether it's bugged or OP, its rate of use should show you that it needs to be addressed ASAP.

Most people running malubeth are leaning towards tanking setups from my experience. I just wanted the general nerf statements to have more context. That is, heavy armor was made extremely viable again which is a significant reason why any tank class stands its ground now. Most glass cannons are up in arms now. They dont shred everyone and to be honest why should they be able to shred a well played and geared tank? Unfortunately zos has made their game in a way that requires the constant changing of gear and although I love so many builds it gets boarderline ridiculous on having to respec so often etc. I know in pvp you MUST update your builds with patches to counter all the changes to include the new tankier builds. Yes, killing tanks is hard and frustrating but I ask, why shouldn't they be? At this point Bloodspawn is second to Malubeth for survivalist butit is still an outstanding option. Factor in 5 plus heavy armor impen pieces with block mitigation and now you are talking. I firmly disagree with the "everyone uses it" so nerf it approach. More often than not if zos listens to these cries they Just end up nerfing the item, class or skill to worthlessness and history tells this take time and time again! There are way more factors involved. I play a DK tank both magic and stamina. Ive used Malubeth for a long time (since v12 was cap). Please just keep an open mind and to be honest I am just thankful I can play my DK again my prefered play style. Im afraid they will go off like a bad barber......You ask for a little off the top and you come out looking like you are ready to ship off to bootcamp or something. +cheers+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d02jwoZvN8I

zyk · July 2016

Rec wrote: »

<snip>I firmly disagree with the "everyone uses it" so nerf it approach. More often than not if zos listens to these cries they Just end up nerfing the item, class or skill to worthlessness and history tells this take time and time again! There are way more factors involved. I play a DK tank both magic and stamina. Ive used Malubeth for a long time (since v12 was cap). Please just keep an open mind and to be honest I am just thankful I can play my DK again my prefered play style. Im afraid they will go off like a bad barber......You ask for a little off the top and you come out looking like you are ready to ship off to bootcamp or something. +cheers+

Whether this set is broken is not debatable anymore. It clearly is. Whether it was OP before is another question entirely. I hope you can still enjoy your preferred playstyle when this set isn't ridiculously broken.

Rate of use is definitely a metric that ZOS devs should always be aware of. It is a *sign* that an ability/set *may* be OP. Anyway, in this case, we now know why this set is extremely popular: because it is extremely broken.

Rec · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

Rec wrote: »

<snip>I firmly disagree with the "everyone uses it" so nerf it approach. More often than not if zos listens to these cries they Just end up nerfing the item, class or skill to worthlessness and history tells this take time and time again! There are way more factors involved. I play a DK tank both magic and stamina. Ive used Malubeth for a long time (since v12 was cap). Please just keep an open mind and to be honest I am just thankful I can play my DK again my prefered play style. Im afraid they will go off like a bad barber......You ask for a little off the top and you come out looking like you are ready to ship off to bootcamp or something. +cheers+

Whether this set is broken is not debatable anymore. It clearly is. Whether it was OP before is another question entirely. I hope you can still enjoy your preferred playstyle when this set isn't ridiculously broken.

Rate of use is definitely a metric that ZOS devs should always be aware of. It is a *sign* that an ability/set *may* be OP. Anyway, in this case, we now know why this set is extremely popular: because it is extremely broken.

You didn't state anything to support your statement though bud? Saying it's clearly OP and that rate of use is evidence of this is just so hard for me to accept? Even if zos nerfs it to dirt ill use bloodspawn!! Thanks for the reply. Ill be curious to see if zos takes the nerf bait !-:-) :-)

zyk · July 2016

Rec wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Rec wrote: »

<snip>I firmly disagree with the "everyone uses it" so nerf it approach. More often than not if zos listens to these cries they Just end up nerfing the item, class or skill to worthlessness and history tells this take time and time again! There are way more factors involved. I play a DK tank both magic and stamina. Ive used Malubeth for a long time (since v12 was cap). Please just keep an open mind and to be honest I am just thankful I can play my DK again my prefered play style. Im afraid they will go off like a bad barber......You ask for a little off the top and you come out looking like you are ready to ship off to bootcamp or something. +cheers+

Whether this set is broken is not debatable anymore. It clearly is. Whether it was OP before is another question entirely. I hope you can still enjoy your preferred playstyle when this set isn't ridiculously broken.

Rate of use is definitely a metric that ZOS devs should always be aware of. It is a *sign* that an ability/set *may* be OP. Anyway, in this case, we now know why this set is extremely popular: because it is extremely broken.

You didn't state anything to support your statement though bud? Saying it's clearly OP and that rate of use is evidence of this is just so hard for me to accept? Even if zos nerfs it to dirt ill use bloodspawn!! Thanks for the reply. Ill be curious to see if zos takes the nerf bait !-:-) :-)

I did not say it's clearly OP. I said it is extremely broken. L2R.

Before there was a clear example of how broken it is, I suggested that its rate of use should be a red flag to ZOS. Since then, we've seen evidence to support what I and everyone else have observed in Cyrodiil. Well, almost everyone. It seems there are those who believe their recent performance in this set stems from how awesome they are and not the mammoth bugged heals it provides.

Never have I stated it is clearly OP when working as intended. IMO, the 30% bonus to healing is also situationally OP (when stacked with major mending and major vitality), but that is a different discussion entirely.

Have you even read this thread? Do you not know that Malubeth is bugged?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno Have you guys read this thread? Have you seen the screenshot of 40k+ healing in two seconds? Now that the cat is out of the bag, many players have confirmed this is normal since at least 2.4. Everyone in Cyrodiil knows it is broken. Does ZOS?

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2016

As I said before it's not that the set is OP or broken (well maybe depending on how you see it) it is that it easily allows a player to negate battle spirit and as I found out that 30% healing boost isn't major or minor mending it really isn't and major/minor buff which means it can and will stack with major/minor mending meaning that the healing receive a player can get when the set procs is insane .

So either the set needs to be changed to be major mending or reduce the healing receive bonus to like 10% or just removed all together.

zyk · July 2016

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

Rec · July 2016

zyk wrote: »

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

Ok that's insane. I have never ever healed like that while running malubeth. Was that before the patch? I sure as hell dont get that return or anywhere close. ?

Sharee · July 2016

Rec wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Via @Sharee:

Clearly and extremely broken. This isn't an outlying example.

Ok that's insane. I have never ever healed like that while running malubeth. Was that before the patch? I sure as hell dont get that return or anywhere close. ?

The screenshot was made couple of hours after the merchant in cyro started selling the helm.

KenaPKK · July 2016

Amusing how this bug has singlehandedly created a tank meta.

Namely a magplar tank meta.

Like if you're playing anything else you're at a notable disadvantage.

@LeifErickson What time is it??