Please make deployed siege only usable by the one deploying it

Leandor · June 2016

It is freely tradeable, you can hand it over anytime, there is absolutely no reason why we still have deployed siege being taken over by people who are either too cheap to buy their own or leech off from those that actually know how, when and where to deploy it.

I can't count how many battles I have lost just because some random person took over the siege that was deployed to actually have a chance against the blue tide and refused to check out even after being told.

@Wheeler please make it happen.

NordSwordnBoard · June 2016

Leandor wrote: »

It is freely tradeable, you can hand it over anytime, there is absolutely no reason why we still have deployed siege being taken over by people who are either too cheap to buy their own or leech off from those that actually know how, when and where to deploy it.

I can't count how many battles I have lost just because some random person took over the siege that was deployed to actually have a chance against the blue tide and refused to check out even after being told.

@Wheeler please make it happen.

I want to be able to lend my friends siege sometimes.

How about making it so the owner/deployer can boot any player off an engine that they didn't deploy? In other words, you go to use it in your 2-3 engine rotation and just push the freeloader aside without interruption. It would hopefully annoy them!

Leandor · June 2016

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

It is freely tradeable, you can hand it over anytime, there is absolutely no reason why we still have deployed siege being taken over by people who are either too cheap to buy their own or leech off from those that actually know how, when and where to deploy it.

I can't count how many battles I have lost just because some random person took over the siege that was deployed to actually have a chance against the blue tide and refused to check out even after being told.

@Wheeler please make it happen.

I want to be able to lend my friends siege sometimes.

How about making it so the owner/deployer can boot any player off an engine that they didn't deploy? In other words, you go to use it in your 2-3 engine rotation and just push the freeloader aside without interruption. It would hopefully annoy them!

That's a good one as well. Mind, I do not want them bound, they need to continue to be tradeable. It just sometimes is important that it is actually ready to be fired immediately.

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

InB4 I set 20 trebs down to troll my faction and keep them from being able to siege a keep.

Darkestnght · June 2016

Yep I agree 100%. Tired of someone jumping on my siege. "Buy your own" is what I told someone once and he/she said I'll use your siege if I want I do not see your name on it and there is not s*** you can do about it. He/She is s right, there is nothing I can do.

zyk · June 2016

It's too exploitable to make them locked to one player.

I know it's annoying, but my advice is to let it go and drop another or find something else to do. It will drive you mad otherwise.

Stratforge · June 2016

I drop siege expressly so our lowbies have something to do. I don't want to be forced to man all the siege myself. I feel your pain when someone comes and turns your siege around but the alternative is worse.

Leandor · June 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

InB4 I set 20 trebs down to troll my faction and keep them from being able to siege a keep.

Could be handled simply by making it so that only manned/reloading siege count for the limit, not those just standing there.

DjSolJAH · June 2016

Negative. A good group always lays down as many siege as possible (20) and let the rest of the group siege with it.

That could be exploited so easily by one player or multiple setting up a bunch of siege so others couldn't attack a wall

Darkestnght · June 2016

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Negative. A good group always lays down as many siege as possible (20) and let the rest of the group siege with it.

That could be exploited so easily by one player or multiple setting up a bunch of siege so others couldn't attack a wall

Good point.

Armitas · June 2016

Give us the opportunity to self detonate our siege instead. As in blow up whoever just took my siege and started hitting the postern house.

Reverb · June 2016

I'd like to see it restricted to group members, and/or the ability to boot people off of siege we place.

Draxys · June 2016

Absolutely not. What happens when people forget to buy siege? What happens when you need to meatbag or oil a group but the one who set it down died and there's no more room where you need it? Plus, good luck getting zos to successfully program something like that.

redspecter23 · June 2016

Armitas wrote: »

Give us the opportunity to self detonate our siege instead.

Perhaps the ability to pack up any siege you own even if you're not manning it? Similar to your proposed idea but you don't potentially lose something harder to get like a cold fire balista.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Handing siege out to randoms is one of favorite things to do. I counted yesterday and I was carrying 52 of them.

I could see if this is a problem if you were only carrying a few but let's be real. If you're PVPing a lot having less than 10 is bad form.

Slurg · June 2016

Maybe they should award the points for anyone who happens to be killed by siege to the owner instead of the operator?

I also like the idea of allowing the owner to pack it up and take it even if someone else is using it.

Robbmrp · June 2016

Repair it while they are on it and wait for them to die from siege fire. If your heals, don't heal them, let them die while standing in stupid while you move away. They will eventually hop off it, if they survive that is.... and if their dead, problem solved!

Capsaica · June 2016

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

How about making it so the owner/deployer can boot any player off an engine that they didn't deploy? In other words, you go to use it in your 2-3 engine rotation and just push the freeloader aside without interruption. It would hopefully annoy them!

This is similar to GW2 (or at least how it was a while ago). Anyone can use siege, but the owner can boot anyone else off of the siege. Siege weapons cannot be packed up and stuck back in inventory though for GW2, so the mechanics are a bit different.

KenaPKK · June 2016

You sound like children.

"Mommy, she's touching my stuff!"

"Nuh uh! I can play with it too!"

Grow up, put down another siege, or do something else constructive with your time like heal allies taking fire or provide fire back to defenders on the wall. There's plenty to do, and it's not like the dude on your siege isn't firing.

Armitas · June 2016

redspecter23 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Give us the opportunity to self detonate our siege instead.

Perhaps the ability to pack up any siege you own even if you're not manning it? Similar to your proposed idea but you don't potentially lose something harder to get like a cold fire balista.

Oh no I mean actually detonate and blow up whoever took my siege. Send them back to the rez at my own volition for using my siege to hit the postern house.

Leandor · June 2016

There are several well thought out proposals here, that I can very much agree with. I also have to admit that I didn't think of the troll potential properly.

The reason I dumped the rant was a specific situation, outnumbered defence of bleakers against a large mass of attackers, several times over.

We had a couple good players and a couple of apparently less good players.

This went to and fro several times. We had a chance as long as we could properly use ground siege. We lost every time one of the lesser qualified players took over one of the sieges, sitting on it until overrun.

This is what I would like to prevent. Cam amyone come up with a good, less exploitative solution?

hammayolettuce · June 2016

I hate sieging. If someone wants to take that over for me, awesome. Just make sure you don't noob it up and hit the wrong wall.

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

I hate sieging. If someone wants to take that over for me, awesome. Just make sure you don't noob it up and hit the wrong wall.

I agree, hitting wrong walls is for noobs. Everyone knows the proper way to take over someone's siege is to turn it around 180 and engage RP emotes.

Jules · June 2016

I can think of like 50 more important things than locked siege.

Cody · June 2016

I fully expect people to man my sieges. I often end up placing more than one at a time; sometimes a great distance apart, and it can be difficult to manage them. Let someone else use it and save me the risky run back and forth.

PeggymoeXD · June 2016

Nah. If anything just implement a way to kick someone off of it if you own it. Every siege I am apart of I lay down multiple trebs for randoms to use. I mean if you spend any decent amount of time in Cyrodiil you should have more than enough AP for siege..

DisgracefulMind · June 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

You sound like children.

"Mommy, she's touching my stuff!"

"Nuh uh! I can play with it too!"

Grow up, put down another siege, or do something else constructive with your time like heal allies taking fire or provide fire back to defenders on the wall. There's plenty to do, and it's not like the dude on your siege isn't firing.

Have you ever had precious coldfire siege stolen? I'm guessing not. It's enraging.

Turelus · June 2016

I would rather a system where when looking at it or operating it you can toggle it between open/locked.

There are a lot of times in the past I have provided siege for raids and just dropping them and saying "grab a siege" is faster than trading.

Leandor · June 2016

Turelus wrote: »

I would rather a system where when looking at it or operating it you can toggle it between open/locked.

There are a lot of times in the past I have provided siege for raids and just dropping them and saying "grab a siege" is faster than trading.

Good one. I could go with this. Maybe implement the other proposal and have three toggles: Locked, Group only, FFA

Make it so you can preset the option you want for your own siege in options and have "f" while on siege be the toggle key.

JodaGreyhame · June 2016

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

How about making it so the owner/deployer can boot any player off an engine that they didn't deploy? In other words, you go to use it in your 2-3 engine rotation and just push the freeloader aside without interruption. It would hopefully annoy them!

This is a good idea. It is annoying when you set down coldfire siege and have someone else jump on it and you can't pack it up

Kas · June 2016

on pc, the number of people shooting wrong things (postern etc) is very low now. i don't really mind. I really want to keep putting up sieges everywhere when defending an inner keep severely outnumbered. i'll use it when i come by and it's ready, if grouped my peers will, and i'm perfectly happy if randoms use it as well.