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Potential cheating fix, crowdsourced and working
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Khajiit_Ri✭✭✭@yodased be sure to write a disclaimer stating something to the degree of "suspected cheaters.".0 -
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So if for some reason, this not 100% surething system fails, you might end up broadcasting to the whole zone that a honest player is cheating?Potential solution to memory hacking:
Create a java program that you would run alongside eso.exe similar to ohgma infinium that checks for known memory hacks. When you zone into pvp, check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
It's not foolproof, but it would keep the honest thieves honest.
Would you all use something like this? Would you run something that proved you were not using a cheat engine?
Do you like pina coladas? and getting caught in the rain?
no its a recursive check that needs to be 100% positive.
and its more for saying I am not cheating than to catch a cheater.
Basically its a crowdfunded policing software that simply checks known variables for cheaters and broadcasts that they are known to NOT be cheating
That word you are using; I do not think it means what you think it does.2 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
So if for some reason, this not 100% surething system fails, you might end up broadcasting to the whole zone that a honest player is cheating?Potential solution to memory hacking:
Create a java program that you would run alongside eso.exe similar to ohgma infinium that checks for known memory hacks. When you zone into pvp, check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
It's not foolproof, but it would keep the honest thieves honest.
Would you all use something like this? Would you run something that proved you were not using a cheat engine?
Do you like pina coladas? and getting caught in the rain?
no its a recursive check that needs to be 100% positive.
and its more for saying I am not cheating than to catch a cheater.
Basically its a crowdfunded policing software that simply checks known variables for cheaters and broadcasts that they are known to NOT be cheating
That word you are using; I do not think it means what you think it does.
Thanks for the meaningless correction of a colloquial term you obviously knew was mistakenly typed instead of crowd sourced. We are all now significantly more intelligent and I have been properly chastised.
Back to the point
Http://esocheaters.com is a thing now, it will only continue to grow and be as good as the community who rallies around it.
Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.2 -
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✭I'll chime in on a few things here:
On the addition of a 3rd party addon - as discussed before, I view this as an alibi program, or a lie detector program. It will scan ESO for any cheat programs as it runs and if connected to an external website, logs that when it's on. That can be an invaluable tool to a lot of good players and duelers that want to show "look, I'm not running any sort of script kiddie program on my system". @Sypher @FENGRUSH take notice
On the negative side, cheaters will work to bypass this the same way they stepped around ESO's security. A constant update of code may be necessary to prevent such issues, but unlike ZOS you could be dedicated enough to keep a constant update. This also isn't going to catch all cheat methods, certain ones still need to be captured and exploits will be undetected, but you can only fix what we know.
Over all I think it's another layer of security some of us can use, but it's not a silver bullet.
As for the website - Naming and shaming is against the forum rules, not for external sites. But that being said I recommend some guild lines that no one is labeled a cheater without definitive proof, such as youtube or screenshots. Folks not using the addon you may label dubious, but my gut gives folks the benefit of the doubt that they may not know of it, trust it, or understand it enough to run it. I think this site works better when someone asks:
"huh, that player used execute awful fast... oh yeah he has the addon working, he's probably not speed hacking."
As opposed to:
"oh, there is that high AP guy on the boards, let's check him name on the site.... nope not running it, obvious hacker"
So both seem to be right in some ways, but I worry the purpose is slightly off.0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You know me by now, I am always willing and wanting to get input on these things.
I wish I didn't have to even think about these things, but it is what it is.
I never want to claim to 'fix' cheating, i just want a game that I can play without wondering how the hell someone can do that?Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
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✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, it's a glorified "Naming & Shaming" in the Zone chat.
Won't work.check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
- The 3rd party app can be easily duped. The app has to compare memory values against a list of know good memory values. The attack angle would be simple, change what the 3rd party app believes to be "known to be good".
- A lot of the hacks change number in memory offsets that change on a regular basis anyways. So simply looking for a change won't work.
- Java is probably the worst possible language to use, you can use an off the shelf java decompiler to get the source code back, making it stupidly easy to hack.
This is a circular argument. You're simply moving the client side validation from one app to another. Adding one more step does nothing to make this more secure.
The *only* way to get rid of the client side cheating is to eliminate all and any client side trust.
But I'm not just trusting the client, this will check for processes running and then check for an expected response verified by the server.
I am not trying to stop the cheating from being possible here, just giving the community the ability to at least potentially identify those who are.
Which also happens to be against the ToS for the game.
Just saying.
Naming and shaming on properties they control is against their terms of service. They can't stop me from creating my own list of players that are known cheaters and broadcasting that to the planet, as long as I'm not infringing on their IP.
Great.
Now that you have your own website, this will be awesomesauce!!!!
/sarcasm
Slander and Libel are very real. This is where I see your "website" heading.
How cute.booksmcread wrote: »
Won't work.check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
- The 3rd party app can be easily duped. The app has to compare memory values against a list of know good memory values. The attack angle would be simple, change what the 3rd party app believes to be "known to be good".
- A lot of the hacks change number in memory offsets that change on a regular basis anyways. So simply looking for a change won't work.
- Java is probably the worst possible language to use, you can use an off the shelf java decompiler to get the source code back, making it stupidly easy to hack.
This is a circular argument. You're simply moving the client side validation from one app to another. Adding one more step does nothing to make this more secure.
The *only* way to get rid of the client side cheating is to eliminate all and any client side trust.
But I'm not just trusting the client, this will check for processes running and then check for an expected response verified by the server.
I am not trying to stop the cheating from being possible here, just giving the community the ability to at least potentially identify those who are.
The argument against your idea is not so much that it's impossible. You are venturing into a very sophisticated and fast-moving area of technology. Writing a tamper-proof piece of software that you plan on handing to you adversaries and letting them run on their own hardware is one of the most difficult tasks in software engineering. Apple has billions of dollars in motivation and world class engineers and they can't even shut down the iPhone jailbreaks.
Alas, I have to try. Fail or not, I'm going to *** do SOMETHING.
As far as I can tell, it's more than what ZOS is doing.
Because he can't see behind the scenes to see Zenimax employees typing code on their computers, they must be doing nothing about the issues...
The only other option is; because they can't go in and fix the issue immediately with a wave of a magick wand and a snap of the fingers, they must be doing nothing...
Which is it?
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The solution wouldn't change anything. The engine would be looking for known 3rd party applications. Change whatever tag it's looking for and it doesn't find anything.
Keeping honest people honest doesn't change anything either. Any real fix can only come from Zos.1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The solution wouldn't change anything. The engine would be looking for known 3rd party applications. Change whatever tag it's looking for and it doesn't find anything.
Keeping honest people honest doesn't change anything either. Any real fix can only come from Zos.
Well actually I have a way around searching for known 3rd party applications and processes only, but its still theory, coding is tonight.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Well they could sue me, but the language of the service dictates that I am not accusing anyone of cheating, simply providing a service for people to discuss, see ripoffreport.comTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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See website name: esocheaters.comUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Well they could sue me, but the language of the service dictates that I am not accusing anyone of cheating, simply providing a service for people to discuss, see ripoffreport.com
The very name of the site implies that the people listed are cheaters.
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good luck suing me on something you inferTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.2 -
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✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Just a note: getting a libel or slander lawsuit to stick in the US is incredibly difficult. You must not only show that the defendant circulated false information about you, but that they knew the information was false and shared it with malicious intent to damage your reputation. Getting a judgement against someone hosting a site that links to videos from an MMO would be next to impossible unless @yodased started doxxing players and making wild accusations about their RL actions.Edited by wayfarerx on June 8, 2016 8:31PM@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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And/or started posting it on a website...Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Just a note: getting a libel or slander lawsuit to stick in the US is incredibly difficult. You must not only show that the defendant circulated false information about you, but that they knew the information was false and shared it with malicious intent to damage your reputation. Getting a judgement against someone hosting a site that links to videos from an MMO would be next to impossible unless @yodased started doxxing players and making wild accusations about their RL actions.
twitch.tv/vampire_nox
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And/or started posting it on a website...Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Just a note: getting a libel or slander lawsuit to stick in the US is incredibly difficult. You must not only show that the defendant circulated false information about you, but that they knew the information was false and shared it with malicious intent to damage your reputation. Getting a judgement against someone hosting a site that links to videos from an MMO would be next to impossible unless @yodased started doxxing players and making wild accusations about their RL actions.
Look I get it, you either don't like me or my idea, but the idea that someone is going to even take a lawsuit on that says someone else accused me of cheating in a video game on a website is absurd.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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Ok.Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
And/or started posting it on a website...Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Just a note: getting a libel or slander lawsuit to stick in the US is incredibly difficult. You must not only show that the defendant circulated false information about you, but that they knew the information was false and shared it with malicious intent to damage your reputation. Getting a judgement against someone hosting a site that links to videos from an MMO would be next to impossible unless @yodased started doxxing players and making wild accusations about their RL actions.
Look I get it, you either don't like me or my idea, but the idea that someone is going to even take a lawsuit on that says someone else accused me of cheating in a video game on a website is absurd.
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HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
See website name: esocheaters.comUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Doesn't matter.@uriel_nocturne you are very correct sir, that slander and libel are very real and that is why this system is a video upload/sharing system that allows for voting and discussion of a person thought to cheat, none of which is allowed here.
It's not a witch hunt where you can simply accuse someone of cheating and then thats that they are a cheater.
Are you opposed to the concept of a self policed community until the cheating can be fixed?
I mean I am not trying to present this as a solution to the overall problem, I hope you see that. I am simply trying to keep honest thieves honest by putting their b.s. on blast.
A Slander or Libel suit could easily destroy you, the people who post this stuff on your site, and any other associated sites.
Besides, the supposed "cheaters" have an easy defense:
How exactly do you intend to prove that the person was actually sitting behind their computer? All tehy have to say is that their account was hacked that day, and they successfully sue you because you can't prove beyond doubt that it was them behind that computer screen.
Think on that.
Well they could sue me, but the language of the service dictates that I am not accusing anyone of cheating, simply providing a service for people to discuss, see ripoffreport.com
The very name of the site implies that the people listed are cheaters.
Its more of a discussion, posting a video there asking "wtf is this" and other folks seeing if it's a cheat, exploit, or something explainable in game. It's no different than most other game forums out there. The difference here is we can't freely post any links of individuals, even blatant hackers, on the ESO forums.
The name is a negative one I'll give you that, but think of it like a factcheck.org or carfax.com site; you can check up information on a player or submit a report and get some feedback like "no, this guys legit, it's this type of combo" or "no, looks like a hack, better bug ZOS about this one."Edited by HeroOfNone on June 8, 2016 8:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Would you like it better if I bought DoYouThinkThisPersonIsCheatingAtESO.com?Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
booksmcread✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »
So, it's a glorified "Naming & Shaming" in the Zone chat.
Won't work.check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
- The 3rd party app can be easily duped. The app has to compare memory values against a list of know good memory values. The attack angle would be simple, change what the 3rd party app believes to be "known to be good".
- A lot of the hacks change number in memory offsets that change on a regular basis anyways. So simply looking for a change won't work.
- Java is probably the worst possible language to use, you can use an off the shelf java decompiler to get the source code back, making it stupidly easy to hack.
This is a circular argument. You're simply moving the client side validation from one app to another. Adding one more step does nothing to make this more secure.
The *only* way to get rid of the client side cheating is to eliminate all and any client side trust.
But I'm not just trusting the client, this will check for processes running and then check for an expected response verified by the server.
I am not trying to stop the cheating from being possible here, just giving the community the ability to at least potentially identify those who are.
Which also happens to be against the ToS for the game.
Just saying.
Naming and shaming on properties they control is against their terms of service. They can't stop me from creating my own list of players that are known cheaters and broadcasting that to the planet, as long as I'm not infringing on their IP.
Great.
Now that you have your own website, this will be awesomesauce!!!!
/sarcasm
Slander and Libel are very real. This is where I see your "website" heading.
How cute.booksmcread wrote: »
Won't work.check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
- The 3rd party app can be easily duped. The app has to compare memory values against a list of know good memory values. The attack angle would be simple, change what the 3rd party app believes to be "known to be good".
- A lot of the hacks change number in memory offsets that change on a regular basis anyways. So simply looking for a change won't work.
- Java is probably the worst possible language to use, you can use an off the shelf java decompiler to get the source code back, making it stupidly easy to hack.
This is a circular argument. You're simply moving the client side validation from one app to another. Adding one more step does nothing to make this more secure.
The *only* way to get rid of the client side cheating is to eliminate all and any client side trust.
But I'm not just trusting the client, this will check for processes running and then check for an expected response verified by the server.
I am not trying to stop the cheating from being possible here, just giving the community the ability to at least potentially identify those who are.
The argument against your idea is not so much that it's impossible. You are venturing into a very sophisticated and fast-moving area of technology. Writing a tamper-proof piece of software that you plan on handing to you adversaries and letting them run on their own hardware is one of the most difficult tasks in software engineering. Apple has billions of dollars in motivation and world class engineers and they can't even shut down the iPhone jailbreaks.
Alas, I have to try. Fail or not, I'm going to *** do SOMETHING.
As far as I can tell, it's more than what ZOS is doing.
Because he can't see behind the scenes to see Zenimax employees typing code on their computers, they must be doing nothing about the issues...
The only other option is; because they can't go in and fix the issue immediately with a wave of a magick wand and a snap of the fingers, they must be doing nothing...
Which is it?
That's not what I said at all. But thank you for your...interesting...response.
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✭How exactly is this slander or libel? Someone gonna sue because someone else is accusing a video game character of cheating? Someone's in game video game character reputation is damaged so it's a violation of law? Lol. the only case I could see is if yodased called someone a cheater and their paying account got wrongfully banned. However, that suit would be against Zos not yodased since Zos implemented the ban.
This conversation about suing and libel is ubsurd. Who ever got sued over over a video game reputation?
Now the only other case I could see is if the person who is accused of being a cheater is a full time twitch streamer and relies on streaming for income. If yodased falsely accuses a guy who relies on twitch income and twitch guy can prove that he is losing subscribers due to Yodased false accusation than maybe there is s case.Edited by LegacyDM on June 8, 2016 10:42PMLegacy of Kain
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✭✭✭✭✭Defamation of video game character . That's gotta be worth a least 2 million gold . Pain and suffering behind the keyboard not included .0 -
Lyrander✭✭✭Potential solution to memory hacking:
Create a java program that you would run alongside eso.exe similar to ohgma infinium that checks for known memory hacks. When you zone into pvp, check for hacks and then broadcast to zone if memory is altered by a third party hook.
It's not foolproof, but it would keep the honest thieves honest.
Would you all use something like this? Would you run something that proved you were not using a cheat engine?
Do you like pina coladas? and getting caught in the rain?
Right, because someone smart enough to alter the game client in-memory probably couldn't do the same to a 3rd party app.
actually most CE-users barely know what they are doing.
the tool makes it so easy for them.
they dont have to know *** or have to be clever.
so yea...most of them couldnt do it 0 -
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✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The only other option is; because they can't go in and fix the issue immediately with a wave of a magick wand and a snap of the fingers, they must be doing nothing...
Which is it?
Nice trolling.....
Google Cheat Engine ESO and you can easily find posts and the software being available 2 years ago. Z0$ incompetence banned what 50 people?, just to un-ban some (That i know of). How do these numbers make any sense to anyone?. Before it was brought to light by endless meteors in Cyro, by a player, not by ESO staff, how many peoples gaming experiences were ruined?
Plenty of people were running CE and some still are. You think banning 50 people and letting them back, was in anyway a deterrent for cheating?. The kids working in ESO making these choices are making them with greed in the forefront of there mind, no doubt.
Also blatantly leaving racial passive exploit in game, from being documented and reported on the PTS coupled with a crown sale is shameful.
@yodased - Fair play for doing something man, i have no doubt the amount of work you have already put in for anti-cheating is more than Z0$ ever will.
EDIT: I checked out the website, i like this idea a lot. Since Z0$ is suspending players and closing topics through shameful tactics on these forums in the hope of damage limitation through censorship, more and more players i know are using 3rd party sites where the information is much more accurate and truthful.
Video content of exploiting and cheating is there for all too see, rather than spending the time to fill out a ticket, send all information away, never to be heard of again. Someone posts a video of cheating, i think 100 people should send in a ticket and spam Z0$ in the hopes they take cheating seriously one day.
I fully believe it should be name and shame policy for breaking the TOS, why spend energy in protecting a players username identity when they blatantly circumvent the rules that are they to give a fair playing field. If you get caught for a crime, your name is in the local newspaper, society does this for many reasons and i think the game should emulate this.
Edited by KingMagaw on August 13, 2016 6:15PM0 -
Hammy01✭✭✭✭✭Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »The only other option is; because they can't go in and fix the issue immediately with a wave of a magick wand and a snap of the fingers, they must be doing nothing...
Which is it?
Nice trolling.....
Google Cheat Engine ESO and you can easily find posts and the software being available 2 years ago. Z0$ incompetence banned what 50 people?, just to un-ban some (That i know of). How do these numbers make any sense to anyone?. Before it was brought to light by endless meteors in Cyro, by a player, not by ESO staff, how many peoples gaming experiences were ruined?
Plenty of people were running CE and some still are. You think banning 50 people and letting them back, was in anyway a deterrent for cheating?. The kids working in ESO making these choices are making them with greed in the forefront of there mind, no doubt.
Also blatantly leaving racial passive exploit in game, from being documented and reported on the PTS coupled with a crown sale is shameful.
@yodased - Fair play for doing something man, i have no doubt the amount of work you have already put in for anti-cheating is more than Z0$ ever will.
EDIT: I checked out the website, i like this idea a lot. Since Z0$ is suspending players and closing topics through shameful tactics on these forums in the hope of damage limitation through censorship, more and more players i know are using 3rd party sites where the information is much more accurate and truthful.
Video content of exploiting and cheating is there for all too see, rather than spending the time to fill out a ticket, send all information away, never to be heard of again. Someone posts a video of cheating, i think 100 people should send in a ticket and spam Z0$ in the hopes they take cheating seriously one day.
I fully believe it should be name and shame policy for breaking the TOS, why spend energy in protecting a players username identity when they blatantly circumvent the rules that are they to give a fair playing field. If you get caught for a crime, your name is in the local newspaper, society does this for many reasons and i think the game should emulate this.
I am going to put on my "Tin Foil Hat" now because I think it is highly strange that we have had now 2 Crown items that could be exploited and exploited hard...
I wonder how many people bought crowns during the latest sale with the intentions of buying up racial swaps so they can bug out their characters and have Emp like stats!!
Hammy!!0
