This needs to stop AKA: Crown store Scam Tactic to turn game into luxury!

WalkingLegacy · December 2015

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

Peoplw work hard for their money.They shouldnt be knocked for whatever they choose to spend it on. If it was your money,fine,..gripe about it.Since it isnt,you have no right to criticize them. Police your own funds.
(said with kindness.) :}

Yes, and that was the point of my post on how little they value their hard work.

No one is policing anything. I have every single right to voice my opinion. Criticise isn't the right word. It's more like educate, and awareness. You disagree that's fine but don't put words into my mouth or make my post about anything other than what you quoted.

Example: Wasn't it in the 70s when the American people quit buying gasoline because the market was trying to raise the prices for more profit. How quick theu reversed that decision. Then you got nowadays where we, the people, just take price increases without a thought, with no resistance.

Get it?

clayandaudrey_ESO · December 2015

So you are comparing the crown store to the oil embargo OPEC started in 1973?

People didn't stop buying gas to make a statement. They couldn't afford it.

WalkingLegacy · December 2015

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

So you are comparing the crown store to the oil embargo OPEC started in 1973?

People didn't stop buying gas to make a statement. They couldn't afford it.

I have to spell it out how we control the market with our wallets?

clayandaudrey_ESO · December 2015

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

So you are comparing the crown store to the oil embargo OPEC started in 1973?

People didn't stop buying gas to make a statement. They couldn't afford it.

I have to spell it out how we control the market with our wallets?

No I just think you used an analogy that does not fit.

Smitch_59 · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

They've had two half-price crown discounts pretty close together, giving people the chance to buy all the crowns they need before Christmas. Add that on top of the crowns you get for subbing and it's really not as bad as you make it out to be, because let's be honest, you're not really paying a membership. You're just committing to buying 1,500 crowns a month, and in return you get a few bonuses as well.
If you don't like it, they've made it extremely easy to cancel your subscription. Please, stop complaining over things that aren't warranted.

^This. My wife and I each got bought 5500 crowns during the Black Friday sale, and spent some to get Orsinium. Also bought some XP scrolls while they were on sale, so in reality I saved twice on those. Then we each got another 5500 during the more recent sale. I got the snow bear cub, and I'm saving some for the senche-leopard mount.

I don't sub, I just buy crowns when they're on sale. No one forces me to buy any of these luxury items, I simply choose to do so.

vyrusb23 · December 2015

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

Peoplw work hard for their money.They shouldnt be knocked for whatever they choose to spend it on. If it was your money,fine,..gripe about it.Since it isnt,you have no right to criticize them. Police your own funds.
(said with kindness.) :}

Yes, and that was the point of my post on how little they value their hard work.

No one is policing anything. I have every single right to voice my opinion. Criticise isn't the right word. It's more like educate, and awareness. You disagree that's fine but don't put words into my mouth or make my post about anything other than what you quoted.

Example: Wasn't it in the 70s when the American people quit buying gasoline because the market was trying to raise the prices for more profit. How quick theu reversed that decision. Then you got nowadays where we, the people, just take price increases without a thought, with no resistance.

Get it?

So, in your opinion, you are just trying to educate people on how to spend their money wisely and how to value their hard work?

bryanhaas · December 2015

pysta wrote: »

I'll make it simple for everyone to understand;

Just this month;

Polar Bear Mount (recolor version of brown bear mount) 2500crown, 4 days to get it.
Polar Bear pet (recolor version of brown bear pet) 1000 crown, 4 days to get it.
Senche-Leopard (recolor version of any Senche) 2500 crown, 11 days to get it.

Total so far in less than 12 days; 6000 crown store cash which is approx. 60$ US, put that in Canadian right now around 80$ that you would expect people to pay in less than 12 days.

*Note I am not counting the 3 new Orc outfit or Female outfit because they have not said if yes or no they will be exclusive but for a female or a male it would probably add another; 2100-3000 crown of money to get them.

Now let's look at the definition of a game;

1.a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

Where does it say in any official dictionary that a game is suppose to be a form of luxury? You expect people to enjoy playing their Role play from MMORPG "RP; Roleplaying" to be able to afford these luxury every month because the problem it's not the money it cost in a way but the short amount of time your put them in the game and the stress you give people to make them rush and spend every month for these items that should be IN the game yes SHOULD BE because it's what make the game alive, the game what it is. Have you ever seen in any other Elder Scrolls a vendor for pets or mount that tells your in 4 days its gone, maybe forever! You should rush, make money, not sleep and get it because next month I'll have another exclusive outrageous expensive pet/mount/outfit just for you!

Let's imagine it would be there and stays for good in the crown store and that every month I pay a subscription, eventually I would be able to afford one then another and it would make me feel happy to ACHIEVE it almost like, I grind or level, do a dungeon to get some rewards in the end. But here... it's not even about having fun, not even about a form pleasure, competition according to rules and decide by skill, strength or luck. It's about stealing as much money you can from people Yes I said stealing it's outrageous how low the world of gaming as become a world of luxury and money making for big company. It's not about giving people fun, pleasure but it's now about finding new way to take AS MUCH money from people.

Can I afford this during Christmas? No, can I afford it in a course of a few month? Maybe yes it's possible since I pay a subscription every month to already SUPPORT YOU but all does it do now at this point is making me feel NOT wanting to play the game today because I am not a rich boy who can afford to spend in one game so much money every month. People don't realize the game is not free to play, they know people will want the new contain because in the end it's what we want to achieve some sort of reward to play games.

I see it like this: We are all doing a marathon and the one to get to the end win the chance to PAY for the trophy to get back home because remember! Someone has to pay for this marathon and to build the trophy.

Here's another; Your favorite football team won the cup or whatever you call it I don't watch these but to get the cup/trophy they need to pay for it to bring it back home or hey we will throw during the event some copies of the trophy to buy instead of you having to get to the end and win! just pay 25000$ you go home with a copy of the trophy!

In short games become a luxury and sometime like these strategy a scam... a shame... I feel bad for everyone and yes even for me to want these to enjoy in-game but can't afford these because remember we all need to eat, to have a roof over our head, a transport, cloths etc in real life. Then you come back home sit down to your favorite game to find out you need to open your budget files to see IF you can afford enjoying new things like everyone else who would be in the game.

You expect people to pay during Christmas... 60 000 crown up to 90 000 crown store money or hope people are stupid enough to do this which is up to 90$ US, 120$ Can again during Christmas and Christmas is about caring, giving? And in a game.... we already purchased and purchasing DLC and subscribing every month. I already buy the volume of Tamriel in real life. This is how much I love this universe but not your Monetary Scam to turn this game a luxury.

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1000crown for a recolor version of a bear pet... wtf *at this point I'll use this word*.

If they stopped then people would complain there are not enough choices. End of the day it is cosmetic, don't like the price then don't buy. If it were too expensive people wouldn't buy and the price would go down clearly that is not happening.

JamilaRaj · December 2015

bryanhaas wrote: »

If they stopped then people would complain there are not enough choices. End of the day it is cosmetic, don't like the price then don't buy. If it were too expensive people wouldn't buy and the price would go down clearly that is not happening.

Prices may change, but as this is a virtual market, some usual assumptions do not apply.
If they were selling real animals, they would be compelled to decrease prices, because procuring them and keeping them in stock would cost money and at some point these accumulated costs would become so high that occasional sale to a whale for inflated price would not be worth it. They would instead attempt to get rid of animals cheaply to curb these costs, even if it meant to sell them at a loss or mill into sausages.
However, mounts are purely virtual and past the first specimen, which itself is relatively cheap, especially if it is mountable version of already existing animal, let alone repainted version of existing mountable animal, cost zero to produce and upkeep, so they can afford to wait indefinitely for some whales (and expensive, therefore somewhat exclusive mounts will make them all the more happy and primed for future spending).
If it was not a virtual market, there would be also a threat of somebody else stepping in and selling the same more cheaply, with still nice margin. But it is, it is all theirs and even though many would be able and willing to create and sell cheaper mounts, nobody can (at least server side/wide). No pressure on prices here either.
Also because it is all theirs, they do not have to worry about players buying something else instead; their money will still end up in ZOS's pockets. Players could buy something in other games, but, after all, their time is limited and they play this game; there is no point in having mounts in some other game they have little to no time to play (could be tricked though). Or they could save, but, well, people with some money to spend on hobbies, used to spending it, will likely spend it.
Last but not least, because they are gods of their little universe, if players do not buy fluff, they can roll out X any time and make it arbitrarily difficult to play without it and at the same time arbitrarily difficult to get outside of the cash shop.

From another point of view, the reason why cash shops are so popular (with companies, that is) is that unlike flat subscription, it allows companies to milk exactly all money a player can be milked for. $15/month fee is okay, but there are players who can only afford $5 and on the other hand players who can afford $100. If there is just subscription, there is no way to get that $5 and $85. If there is subscription and cash shop (or just cash shop), players who can only afford $5 will hand over $5, players who can afford $15 will hand over $15 and players who can afford $100 will hand over $100. Then all a company has to do is a) make sure there is something to spend on (which implies that there will never be only so much goods a player will have it all for $20/month) and b) enough of more or less brutal incentives that will make players open the cash shop and pay (which implies that regardless of whether a player pays, or how much, he will end up with a crippled game).

LBC_Demon · January 2016

OMG people cried when it was pay to play and now it's free and people cry that they are trying to make money with cosmetic stuff.

Get over it. It's just a reskinned bear. You don't have to buy everything. I'm glad that they make so much because most of it I don't care for and then sometimes they come out with something I gotta have.

Arkhaniir · January 2016

TL;DR. Seriously. Don't buy them then. They are COSMETIC Items which means you will not sacrifice any gameplay by not buying them. I'm quite happy that they are pouring so many cosmetic items into Crown Store because those who can afford them are buying it and that keeps the wheels turning for new content. Meanwhile, I'm saving my limited money to buy DLCs or items I like A LOT.

As long as they don't fall into the path of Pay to Win, I'm okay with them pouring re-skinned limited time pets/mounts into the crown store for whatever price they want. If you can afford them, you buy them. If you can't afford them, you don't buy them. Its simple. You don't need to own EVERYTHING that is out there.

Arshiya · January 2016

What Arkhaniir said, I honestly am amazed how people expect things for free. Game development costs enormous money, such investment needs to pay off you know else running the game is pointless. Game development industry is not charity.
Plus the crown store isn't mandatory. Only thing you have to do is buy the game, everything else is optional.
You think that monthly subscription is going to make a difference? No, not really. Every MMO adopting free to play concept has to make up for expenses used to develop it. Other mmos don't require you to buy the game, you register on a site download it and play. I can't see that happening at a title which tradition and origins goes way back to previous century.
I am a die hard fan yes I admit it, but what reason is there to create an mmo if you won't generate funds to maintain it? For instance daily upkeep of Warcraft servers costs up to 137K. I imagine ESO eats up less maybe but it still does. Honestly I had to save up to buy few crown packs so I can access Imperial city for example but I personally don't regret it. What actually needs improvement is developers attention, yes I'd say it bluntly ESO needs more parental love. But then again, the more love it receives, the more funds it will eat up.

Earmack · January 2016

Jesus so moan.....dont like price, dont buy.
I like example dont buy everything even I can, but if i see nice costume or mount and i like it why not?

Like example I still hope i can buy ice horse skyrim (i missed in summer).

And its good eso give u choose, and lots of people enjoy. And btw this is just cosmetic and not change any gamelay for anyone

Xqluded · January 2016

Rant #1:
The perks of graduating college and becoming successful in your career:

- You can afford to pay for the outrageously priced items.

Rant #2:
Learn to be happy and grateful:

- This one bugs me more than anything. It's official that people will complain about ANYTHING.....Is it to get attention on the forum? Well first off it's working. Your getting the attention of possible newcomers to our game that could end up a lifelong friend or adventure buddy. Could sell you that last piece of gear you need much cheaper than normal because he forgot to lookup pricing for his item. Far fetched example but it's to prove a point.

Last year mmorpg.com had a poll and the question was "Do you research an MMO before buying? If so, what is the key deciding factor to your decision?"

Almost unanimously the winning vote was "Forum posts from the community of current subscribers to that MMO". Heaven forbid someone look at our forums....So many people have probably already been turned off by ridiculous QQ threads....kinda like this one.

Rant #3:
You asked, you begged, you demanded, they have so far fulfilled.

- Everyone begged, threatened, demanded and cried out for absolutely NO pay to win items in the Crown Store. They have so far followed through and made me quite proud of them for not selling out to make quick money from lazy players. Sure the XP potions were just teetering on that line, but I think it's a good addition. Keep making complaints like this and watch what they put in the Crown Store. I've seen it oh so many times. WoW for example (please flame me for saying WoW) has boosts to start at lvl 100.....If you would like people in your group that pay for their characters, have no idea how to play the class and frankly did what took some of us months or, if the Crown Store gets real bad, years to accomplish, you may want to accept these items with open arms.

P.S.

I bought all of it. Not because I could, but because I liked them.

Jailbirdy · January 2016

QUOTE
"15$ a month you pay, let say they have a minimum of 10 000 customers playing that give them just for a month 150 000$ US. In theory it's almost 100 employee paid each month"
END QUOTE

Wow, in what world does a company get 100 employees for $150,000?

Sorry, but that statement just made me laugh out loud.

khele23eb17_ESO · January 2016

LBC_Demon wrote: »

OMG people cried when it was pay to play and now it's free and people cry that they are trying to make money with cosmetic stuff.

I have a feeling people are becoming annoyed that theres no (or very little) new cosmetic rewards to be obtained in game. Most new cool looking stuff goes to the shop.

xericdx · January 2016

I see some stuff in the Crown Store. If the balance between how much are they worth to me and the money I have is good I buy them. If not, I continue playing the game as if nothing happened.

Those who have the money and like the content they buy it. Money goes to ZOS and some of it is reinvested in making the game better for everyone (well, they try

) .

I honestly don't see why we continue to send so much anger for this.

Anyway, not worth adding much to what has already been written. Just to say that I support the current system and this is one of the reason why I bought some stuff in the Crown Store.

mtPrimo · January 2016

I was looking to get the expansions but, 39,99$ its R$161,87, so its a no-go. You are lucky enough to have it on your own coin, btw.

Abeille · January 2016

mtPrimo wrote: »

I was looking to get the expansions but, 39,99$ its R$161,87, so its a no-go. You are lucky enough to have it on your own coin, btw.

They are lucky enough that their country's economy isn't FUBAR like ours.

Anyways, I suggest that you subscribe for a few months if you really want the DLCs. It hurts less when you pay monthly instead of all at once, especially if you depend on your monthly paycheck to be able to afford it. You get to play the DLCs for the time your subscription is active and you get 1500 crowns per month that you can use later to buy the DLCs once you stop paying for the subscription. Also, two highly anticipated DLCs are coming this semester, so maybe you will want to wait to see which ones you want.

DRXHarbinger · January 2016

I think what the OP is saying really is that they launched Orsinium with the regular bear mount, killed us with crown sales for the regular bear mount and then brought out a new one a few weeks later because Xmas apparently...... we all know that had they been available both at the same time we wouldn't have bought both of them, however after getting everyone excited about the bear mount they release one and then later on another, so potentially if 50% of the regular bear mount owners bought the snow bear it's very good business for them, much better than selling them both side by side, very clever tactic by ZOS, really we should have had the option to trade in the bear for the snow bear, I'm pretty sure people used to sell their horses and still do now to buy another one rather than let it starve and be neglected.

Volkodav · January 2016

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

If eso+ gave me a mount a month and access to DLC that would be fine, but I had to fork out for 12k crowns just so I don't miss out.

I would go a bit further and suggest that all mounts should be only for one month. At this rate, there will be eventually so many mounts that people who will want to ride something exotic and unlike what everyone else has (imagine common brown horse - very exotic, unique style!) will simply recycle one of their old mounts instead of buying the current one. It is really short sighted from ZOS to sell mounts once to be ridden forever. They got planned obsolescence right with DLCs; new (paid) zones supersede the old, which are no longer worth of playing for various reasons such as inferior rewards. Mounts can only fall out of fashion, but will eventually rebound! They need to die of old age or something!!!

Naaaah.I worked long and hard on my Black horse,paid for with ingame gold,..$42,000 mind you.If they decided I couldnt keep him,I'd not be very happy.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

It's amazing to see how social economics is ruining the market. People are so willing to not only justify overspending on items/services/ etc but defend a company for overly pricing said items/services/etc with such zealotry.

People have so little regard to the value of their time to make money. I'm all for supporting, I sub and buy chunks of crowns but I don't throw away my money at over valued convenience or cosmetics.

Peoplw work hard for their money.They shouldnt be knocked for whatever they choose to spend it on. If it was your money,fine,..gripe about it.Since it isnt,you have no right to criticize them. Police your own funds.
(said with kindness.) :}

Yes, and that was the point of my post on how little they value their hard work.

No one is policing anything. I have every single right to voice my opinion. Criticise isn't the right word. It's more like educate, and awareness. You disagree that's fine but don't put words into my mouth or make my post about anything other than what you quoted.

Example: Wasn't it in the 70s when the American people quit buying gasoline because the market was trying to raise the prices for more profit. How quick theu reversed that decision. Then you got nowadays where we, the people, just take price increases without a thought, with no resistance.

Get it?

Im not saying anything others here havent.So dont get your feathers ruffled.Also,if you have the right to post your opinion in a public forum,I also have the right to voice my own opinion,since you put your own out there for everyone to comment on.
Plus,how is it that you think you havve the right to educate other people on how you think they should spend their money.It doesnt belong to you and you arent their mother.
Not being rude,just replying to your comment to me.

Jayne_Doe · January 2016

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

They will come back, don't worry. Like the Black Senche, since I started playing 1 year ago, it has come back 3 times.

That's an exaggeration. I've been playing since Beta, and the Black Senche has been offered exactly twice. Once, before console release, and second, this past holiday season.

So, yes, limited time items will be released again, but not as often as 4 times in one year.

Eleusian · January 2016

If someone is strapped so much on money they shouldn't be gaming. Get a better job , or a job. Spending money is choice of the consumer on what the spend it on.

TheDracojan · January 2016

Lets all stop paying for stuff then, see how much will the game improve.
I'm quite pleased to see that many people still throw money at this game, it's a sign that it won't stall and content will still be coming our way.

Argurios · January 2016

pysta wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

In other words you're mad at a company for selling items that don't negatively affect your gameplay or anyone else's at all because you don't like how they price them or their methods for getting people to buy them?

Sounds like someone needs their pacifier.

For a moment I forgot how people are selfish in our generation. Thank you for reminding me of your humanity.

Mate, you sound like a spoilt child that is the point.

No one cares if you want to own every store item the game throws at you. If you are that gullible, thats your issue, no one elses.

Buying anything in the crown store is a choice and nothing there affects your game, so your even making this thread is ridiculous. That is why you are getting so much grief.

Grow up?

Argurios · January 2016

Jitterbug wrote: »

Crazy story.
Last night I logged in, played for several hours and had a great time in both PvE and PvP, and even some PvDoor.
All of this fun was achieved without a single albino mount.
Go figure...

Ha ha, classic.