LOL @ Nerf Demands

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

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Nifty2g · December 2015

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

vma is full of bugs because solo play really shines it out, there are a lot of class diviersity because the game wasn't designed for solo play. thus people ask for nerfs, not only should vma be nerfed but it shouldn't even exist as a solo instance, make it a 2man arena, it was clearly designed for that

also you make a good point. completing content shouldn't resolve around minmaxed champion points, going for top score should resolve around minmaxed champion points

there is a valid reason people are asking for nerfs

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

vma is full of bugs because solo play really shines it out, there are a lot of class diviersity because the game wasn't designed for solo play. thus people ask for nerfs, not only should vma be nerfed but it shouldn't even exist as a solo instance, make it a 2man arena, it was clearly designed for that

It clearly was not designed to be a 2 man arena, it was designed to be a solo arena and that's why it IS solo.... If you can't beat it, invest more time into your character, that's what I'm doing.... it wasn't meant for some fresh vr16 to go into and walk through it without any problems... and the game was designed for solo play as well as group play, if it weren't, then why is ALL of the main quest solo?

vamp_emily · December 2015

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play.

Me too.

What is really sad is when they get tired of crying nerf on several threads, they come up with some game changing "Theorycrafting" nerf suggestion that will save the game. They will post a wall of text on how eso should change something but if you really read into it.. its just another way they cry nerf.

I decided not to participate in any nerf thread.

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

also you make a good point. completing content shouldn't resolve around minmaxed champion points, going for top score should resolve around minmaxed champion points there is a valid reason people are asking for nerfs

There is a requirement for this to give people something to work toward.... Content like this shouldn't be made easy and simple to complete because where is the challenge in that? If the first time I went into VMA I walked through it without any problems, what then? Its over, it's not challenging, it's not hard and it would get boring. I would have nothing to work toward getting better.

Nifty2g · December 2015

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

vma is full of bugs because solo play really shines it out, there are a lot of class diviersity because the game wasn't designed for solo play. thus people ask for nerfs, not only should vma be nerfed but it shouldn't even exist as a solo instance, make it a 2man arena, it was clearly designed for that

It clearly was not designed to be a 2 man arena, it was designed to be a solo arena and that's why it IS solo.... If you can't beat it, invest more time into your character, that's what I'm doing.... it wasn't meant for some fresh vr16 to go into and walk through it without any problems... and the game was designed for solo play as well as group play, if it weren't, then why is ALL of the main quest solo?

The facts are there man lol, do you really think all of those mechanics were meant for one person?
In the lobby there are 10 heads, the baron is one of them; final boss (removed because it was probably only able to be completed with 2 people, thats why we get a -15000 deduction at the end).
There are also a lot of healing debuff effects on you. Take a look at the arena as a whole, check out the mechanics each round, you'll start to realise they had a 2man arena in mind but for some reason took it out. Main quest has nothing to do with arena lol, I take it you're new to game, it was designed for group play, it was advertised as an MMO to play with friends that's why so many skills have synergies and group effects even the announcement trailer said this "Salvation cannot come from one, but from many"

I'm personally not asking for a nerf but in it's current state it sort of needs one, it takes months for a perfect run for a perfect score to work around the current design bugs.

Actually during an ESOLive they were teasing arena having 3 modes, normal, veteran and a mode we have never seen before, we didn't hear anything about that from that point on and no mention of it in future updates, speculation from my end is the 2man version.

p.s. i've beaten it several times, check signature next time

Rylana · December 2015

So, OP, let me pose to you this question then.

What if I play every class? What if I have a high AvA (at least 20) in every class, have completed as much PvE content as interests me or i felt like purchasing... (undaunted 9 on five toons, all trials, dragonstar, craglorn, quest zones til i was blue in the face, just never did orsinium cause i aint dropping 30 bucks on something thats a one-off)

Can I call for nerfs? because I assure you, about 10 different things in this game need nerfed, badly, across all the classes, some things need buffs and reverts, a lot of mechanics need straight up changes, content toned up or down, among other things, and theres no bias coming out of me. I mean since your whole premise is "no touchie cause you doesnt understandz mah class"

Maxed out 501 CP full legendary rank 32 Sorc as one char, pretty sure i know your class.

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

I'm on mobile, I can't see your signature nor do I care. I never said you hadn't completed it. The whole point around me bringing up the main quest is because you said the game wasn't made for solo play.... Do you even read what you are saying? I have personally seen a person with the perfect run title on PS4 NA already.... as I said, I haven't been able to complete it yet, I don't want a nerf still even then. I want a challenge, not a game made for a 3 year old.

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Rylana wrote: »

So, OP, let me pose to you this question then.

What if I play every class? What if I have a high AvA (at least 20) in every class, have completed as much PvE content as interests me or i felt like purchasing... (undaunted 9 on five toons, all trials, dragonstar, craglorn, quest zones til i was blue in the face, just never did orsinium cause i aint dropping 30 bucks on something thats a one-off)

Can I call for nerfs? because I assure you, about 10 different things in this game need nerfed, badly, across all the classes, and theres no bias coming out of me.

I never said some things didn't need changed, I'm saying people need to stop demanding nerfs. Zenimax is well aware of issues like this, you don't think they don't have people that play and report to them directly? Instead of QQ'ing on the forums?

Septimus_Magna · December 2015

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

vma is full of bugs because solo play really shines it out, there are a lot of class diviersity because the game wasn't designed for solo play. thus people ask for nerfs, not only should vma be nerfed but it shouldn't even exist as a solo instance, make it a 2man arena, it was clearly designed for that

It clearly was not designed to be a 2 man arena, it was designed to be a solo arena and that's why it IS solo.... If you can't beat it, invest more time into your character, that's what I'm doing.... it wasn't meant for some fresh vr16 to go into and walk through it without any problems... and the game was designed for solo play as well as group play, if it weren't, then why is ALL of the main quest solo?

To give players the feeling that they're special and that they are the one that make the difference.

Judging classes by how well they perform solo is a slippery slope imo, a templar healer might be weak solo but the entire group is weak without their heals. If ZOS starts to balance classes based on solo performance the balance in groups will probably be destroyed.

Nifty2g · December 2015

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I'm on mobile, I can't see your signature nor do I care. I never said you hadn't completed it. The whole point around me bringing up the main quest is because you said the game wasn't made for solo play.... Do you even read what you are saying? I have personally seen a person with the perfect run title on PS4 NA already.... as I said, I haven't been able to complete it yet, I don't want a nerf still even then. I want a challenge, not a game made for a 3 year old.

The game was advertised as a group experience, you'd know this if you participated in Beta and followed the game and not some console player thinking they know everything. Take a look at the history and maybe read into some other classes and realise how group synergy works in this game. Get out of here with your Skyrim Online nonsense

You also don't understand the concept of a perfect run, it doesn't mean a flawless one. Competitive wise my fastest complete is 49:35, going for a perfect run will take months for everything to line up and get your best possible score.

Asking for a nerf you also fail to realise what that even means, nerfing it as a whole or nerfing certain elements? I believe certain things need to be toned down for the average player to be able to complete it especially archers since we can't mitigate physical damage, that's why bleed damage hits so hard in there.

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I just wanted to put my 2 cent in. Either play the game or don't, quit crying over nerfs... Because it's an endless cycle.... You nerf this, then we want this nerfed now... Cool you nerfed this skill, now we want this one nerfed.... so on and so forth.... They will nerf what they feel they need to, they aren't reading these 1000000000 threads of people crying for nerfs. Anyway, I'm off here, back to playing the game. Enjoy and good luck

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I'm on mobile, I can't see your signature nor do I care. I never said you hadn't completed it. The whole point around me bringing up the main quest is because you said the game wasn't made for solo play.... Do you even read what you are saying? I have personally seen a person with the perfect run title on PS4 NA already.... as I said, I haven't been able to complete it yet, I don't want a nerf still even then. I want a challenge, not a game made for a 3 year old.

The game was advertised as a group experience, you'd know this if you participated in Beta and followed the game and not some console player thinking they know everything. Take a look at the history and maybe read into some other classes and realise how group synergy works in this game. Get out of here with your Skyrim Online nonsense

You also don't understand the concept of a perfect run, it doesn't mean a flawless one. Competitive wise my fastest complete is 49:35, going for a perfect run will take months for everything to line up and get your best possible score.

Asking for a nerf you also fail to realise what that even means, nerfing it as a whole or nerfing certain elements? I believe certain things need to be toned down for the average player to be able to complete it especially archers since we can't mitigate physical damage, that's why bleed damage hits so hard in there.

Never claimed to know everything and I did participate in beta.... So now who is the one claiming they know it all?

Nifty2g · December 2015

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I just wanted to put my 2 cent in. Either play the game or don't, quit crying over nerfs... Because it's an endless cycle.... You nerf this, then we want this nerfed now... Cool you nerfed this skill, now we want this one nerfed.... so on and so forth.... They will nerf what they feel they need to, they aren't reading these 1000000000 threads of people crying for nerfs. Anyway, I'm off here, back to playing the game. Enjoy and good luck

Your thread lacks constructive thought to it. You need to expand on what you mean by nerf because right now it's a broad statement and hasn't gotten any sense of coherence to it.

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DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I just wanted to put my 2 cent in. Either play the game or don't, quit crying over nerfs... Because it's an endless cycle.... You nerf this, then we want this nerfed now... Cool you nerfed this skill, now we want this one nerfed.... so on and so forth.... They will nerf what they feel they need to, they aren't reading these 1000000000 threads of people crying for nerfs. Anyway, I'm off here, back to playing the game. Enjoy and good luck

Your thread lacks constructive thought to it. You need to expand on what you mean by nerf because right now it's a broad statement and hasn't gotten any sense of coherence to it.

I don't need to be coherent to say people need to stop demanding nerfs, Demanding!

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Rylana · December 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

vma is full of bugs because solo play really shines it out, there are a lot of class diviersity because the game wasn't designed for solo play. thus people ask for nerfs, not only should vma be nerfed but it shouldn't even exist as a solo instance, make it a 2man arena, it was clearly designed for that

It clearly was not designed to be a 2 man arena, it was designed to be a solo arena and that's why it IS solo.... If you can't beat it, invest more time into your character, that's what I'm doing.... it wasn't meant for some fresh vr16 to go into and walk through it without any problems... and the game was designed for solo play as well as group play, if it weren't, then why is ALL of the main quest solo?

To give players the feeling that they're special and that they are the one that make the difference.

Judging classes by how well they perform solo is a slippery slope imo, a templar healer might be weak solo but the entire group is weak without their heals. If ZOS starts to balance classes based on solo performance the balance in groups will probably be destroyed.

Pretty much this

The only thing I would change of your statement to fit my view is "all classes should be able to fill each of the three roles, have a defining skillset that makes them vital to group play, and have strengths and weaknesses therein"

Sort of like a DK that runs as a support healer. Could it be done? In stam builds its actual powerful as hell, especially since they can also DPS like crazy, they just have the drawback of being a bit glassy themselves. But we arent yet to the point that this build/diversity is ready for primetime meta, its still very niche (sort of like nightblade heals, stam sorc, and stam DK were back in the day, doable but not optimal, now we have come to a point where 2 of those 3 are literally beastmode and at the top of the meta)

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I just wanted to put my 2 cent in. Either play the game or don't, quit crying over nerfs... Because it's an endless cycle.... You nerf this, then we want this nerfed now... Cool you nerfed this skill, now we want this one nerfed.... so on and so forth.... They will nerf what they feel they need to, they aren't reading these 1000000000 threads of people crying for nerfs. Anyway, I'm off here, back to playing the game. Enjoy and good luck

Your thread lacks constructive thought to it. You need to expand on what you mean by nerf because right now it's a broad statement and hasn't gotten any sense of coherence to it. 1v1 me

Ill 1v1 you in real life kid. I don't need to be coherent to say people need to stop demanding nerfs, Demanding! So stfu kid

When I read you played console I knew saying 1v1 would trigger you. Thank you for providing laughs to myself

I'm a PC gamer bro, I play ESO on console because my girlfriend does, something you wouldn't know about. Enjoy your day, I'm off here, got better things to do than argue with a scrub that thinks he's better than everyone else... Elitist machoism at it's finest. I never claimed to have all the answers and I never said things didn't need to be nerfed, I said people need to stop demanding them so l2p and l2read

vamp_emily · December 2015

Allot of these nerf threads are a learn to play issue. You might disagree and say something like "I've been playing since beta lol @ L2P".

Well I play PvP non stop for many hours a week. I get my tush hurt over and over. Sometimes it is discouraging, but instead of crying Nerf, I've been doing other things.

I started looking at my build, asking experienced players for suggestions.
I've been grinding CPs.
I'm looking at and trying new skills.
I'm looking at different potions and how I can use them to benefit my game.
I'm trying different types of armor.

For example, allot of people have been talking about nerfing WB lately. I've never used WB but I assure you i have died plenty of times from it. However, from learning how to play, I have improved my odds of survival. Just last night I walked away from several WB attempts. I got caught by a few because it turned into a 1vx situation and I died.

I'm far from perfect and i am still learning how to play the game. But really, from my experience, allot of these cry for Nerfs are L2P issues.

Arthur_Spoonfondle · December 2015

Nerf, nerf, nerf. I'm sick of it too, whatever happened to class diversity?

Perhaps the PVPers should just agree on a favourite class and all play that one class in PVP, then they will all be on an even playing field. PVEers will then still have the class diversity and the PVPers can stop whingeing.

Justice31st · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

I love it when I come into forums and see more discussions about nerfs.... Everyone wants something nerfed it seems so why don't we do this.... Nerf everyones damage so they can't kill, then boost everyone's defense so they can't die, then nerf every dungeon and mob in the game so we can 1 shot them with any light attack, including all bosses? I think this would make everyone happy.....

I agree that some of the dungeons are extremely difficult, I still can't complete VMA but that's because I'm not ready for it yet.... I'm not complaining that it's too difficult and I don't think it needs nerfed, I just need more CP considering I'm already running full legendary vr16 julianos and torugs with willpower jewelry. I'm a sorc btw...

Just sick of seeing everyone demanding nerfs on other classes that they don't play. You don't hear a dk saying nerf dks or a sorc asking for a sorc nerf... I agree nightblades are a bit ridiculous currently, but power will come and go as zenimax desires it... but then again I've seen plenty of DKs that 4 people or more couldn't kill him. I've seen sorcs last against 4 people, I've seen night blades last against 4 people, I've seen templars last against 4 people.... before demanding a nerf, how about considering your build, gear and CP allocation? You are not going to be a god in this game and some classes are better equipped to handle others... it's just the way it goes so please, stop with all the complaining before no class can deal damage....

vma is full of bugs because solo play really shines it out, there are a lot of class diviersity because the game wasn't designed for solo play. thus people ask for nerfs, not only should vma be nerfed but it shouldn't even exist as a solo instance, make it a 2man arena, it was clearly designed for that

also you make a good point. completing content shouldn't resolve around minmaxed champion points, going for top score should resolve around minmaxed champion points there is a valid reason people are asking for nerfs

^This.

ZOS_KaeylaW · December 2015

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Tyrion87 · December 2015

The only things I would like to be nerfed are the prices in the crown store. Nothing else.
The only thing I would like to be buffed is my IRL remuneration...

DeadlyPhoenix · December 2015

@ZOS_KaeylaW please close this thread, it was never meant for an argument.

Takes-No-Prisoner · December 2015

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Need to get this shirt for myself one day.