yay blazing spear has just been nerfed again, thanks Zos!

SemiD4rkness · December 2015

If they keep listening to streamers BOL is next. I mean come on... just take a look at the forums for 1 minute. Not a single god damn complaint about templars being too strong/ having a too strong ability. Why xos? Why? Why the heel you keep nerfing this bugged and weak class. Do you really wan this to become elder scrolls nightblade vs sorcerer unlimited. All streamers want is you to nerf everything that wont allow them to win 1v10 encounters. Just ridiculous. Now stam dks are really strong atm and in a dueling tournament 3 out of the final 4 were stam Dks so be prepared for all streamers out there playing 1h/s & 2h

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

So im guessing they nerfed it because they consider it an overloaded ability with the stun? And its dmg was to close to lightning splash or something?

With the way cc immunity works particularly with our other class abilities, its a pretty terrible cc. It should be an aoe root like talons, in my view, particularly in light of the damage reduction.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2015

usmcjdking wrote: »

One more nerf to templars or tanks and I'm uninstalling.

So probably next week.

Don't do that. I personally can't see them nerfing Templar again. They've mutated/damaged the class so badly over the last year I can't even recognize it anymore... which tells me that eventually they're going to have to do something. This isn't like a game with 30 classes. They have 4 classes with a miniscule amount of skills in each. It can't be that hard to ultimately make it run smoothly. I recommend you mess about with another class for a while if Templar is upsetting you too much. I'm fortunate in that I have one of each v16 class so it gives me greater room to play.

zornyan · December 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

One more nerf to templars or tanks and I'm uninstalling.

So probably next week.

Don't do that. I personally can't see them nerfing Templar again. They've mutated/damaged the class so badly over the last year I can't even recognize it anymore... which tells me that eventually they're going to have to do something. This isn't like a game with 30 classes. They have 4 classes with a miniscule amount of skills in each. It can't be that hard to ultimately make it run smoothly. I recommend you mess about with another class for a while if Templar is upsetting you too much. I'm fortunate in that I have one of each v16 class so it gives me greater room to play.

The problem is many of us don't like other classes.

I've got 8 characters, three are templars, a magicka sorc, a stam sorc, a stam nb and 2 stam DK .

my problem is that I find it easy mode to go play sorc or nb, in pve and pvp the gsme is significantly easier in general.

But I don't like them, I don't have fun playing them, so why should I he forced to play another class because the one I enjoy is broken?

AfkNinja · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

One more nerf to templars or tanks and I'm uninstalling.

So probably next week.

Don't do that. I personally can't see them nerfing Templar again. They've mutated/damaged the class so badly over the last year I can't even recognize it anymore... which tells me that eventually they're going to have to do something. This isn't like a game with 30 classes. They have 4 classes with a miniscule amount of skills in each. It can't be that hard to ultimately make it run smoothly. I recommend you mess about with another class for a while if Templar is upsetting you too much. I'm fortunate in that I have one of each v16 class so it gives me greater room to play.

The problem is many of us don't like other classes.

I've got 8 characters, three are templars, a magicka sorc, a stam sorc, a stam nb and 2 stam DK .

my problem is that I find it easy mode to go play sorc or nb, in pve and pvp the gsme is significantly easier in general.

But I don't like them, I don't have fun playing them, so why should I he forced to play another class because the one I enjoy is broken?

Exactly, I love Templar. I only play Stam Sorc cause it performs faster and better for the most part. I vastly prefur the animations of Templar but it just feels broken half the time and I've seen a year of constant adjustments down while watching NB and Sorc get update after update of positive changes (and a few small nerfs). DK and Templar feel downright ignored.

Reverb · December 2015

I predict the next Templar "fixes":

Radiant Destruction and morphs: no more execution bonus, not eligible to crit, 40% chance of being reflected back at the caster. If reflected, does 300% bonus damage to caster and cannot be interrupted or purged.

Dark Flare: no longer grants Empower or Major defile. Cast time increased to 5 seconds.

Piercing Javelin and morphs: will cost 120% more. No longer has knockback effect but still grants cc immunity.

Eclipse and morphs: only eligible for use against tier 1 NPCs 5 or more levels below the caster. Any attempt to cast on an ineligible target will result in an unbreakable 5-second stun, as a penalty for misuse.

Puncturing Strikes and morphs: no longer eligible for burning light or crit chance. If target initiates a block during the attack, caster will be knocked off balance and will have magicka and stamina pools reduced by 40% for 15 seconds.

Draxys · December 2015

EgoRush wrote: »

Impulse was doing too much AoE damage before, so they nerfed the range to 6 metres down from 8. Blazing Spear is now doing too much damage so they will nerf it too. Next it will be Steel Tornado (I mean how hasn't that happened yet already?) at 12.5 metres range and an auto-execute from 100% health.

Eventually they'll just say "let's reduce the range of all abilities to 0 metres so the game can become the true roleplaying fantasy world it was meant to be".

To be fair, steel tornado is actually kinda out of hand. It needs either its range toned down or to remove the execute (not both, but zos will no doubt go way too far with the nerf)

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Has anyone actually tested the damage since the nerf? For all we know, this was an adjustment from use with a specific set, or skill combination that caused it to do more damage than intended.

Asayre · December 2015

I looked at the value on the PTS 2.2.3 and the current Live 2.2.7 and the current Live version has the same initial damage and a higher DoT damage than the PTS but I have no idea what it was before in 2.2.6.

Evilie · December 2015

In addition to the completely unnecessary NERF of Blazing Spears, here is a list of Templar bugs and completely useless abilities posted by Springt-Über-Zwerge in another thread today:

"1. No 140% bonus on shields for jabs
2. Last hit of Jabs somtimes doesnt even hit
3. no execute damage for Jesus beam
4. Radiant sweep not hitting anything at all (also 5m radius for an ultimade is ridiculous)
5. eclipse bug
6. global cooldown on toppling charge
7. completely useless sun shield
8. completely useless backlash due to cap not scaling with spell/weapondamage
9. completely useless eclipse thanks to unnessesary nerf to 1 target
10. completely useless rite of passage thanks to barrier being 100 times better
11. completely useless healing ritual
12. completely useless radiant aura thanks to potion buffs
13. why is sun fire doing firedamage as only templar skill which forces me to either not use the skill because its crap since its missing the 25% from thaumaturge or put points in elemetal expert and weakening all my other abilities

Now to passives:

1. way lower proc chance of burning light than 25%
2. ballanced warrior being everything else than ballanced (missing spelldamage)
3. enduring rays rowering templar dps (backlash)
4. light weaver being completely useless thanks to rite of passage and healing ritual being useless
5. master ritualist soulgem return bugged
6. missing ressource sustain for Templars in the passives 4% is laughable (sorcs for excample have 5% plus 15% ult cost reduction plus 20% magicka and stam regen)

And why on earth would you double nerf blazing spear I cant see any logic in nerfing the dps of the class with the lowest dps

also give us back a good aoe CC like blinding flashes
Edited by Springt-Über-Zwerge on December 2, 2015 11:24AM"

Evilie

Slurg · December 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

So im guessing they nerfed it because they consider it an overloaded ability with the stun? And its dmg was to close to lightning splash or something?

With the way cc immunity works particularly with our other class abilities, its a pretty terrible cc. It should be an aoe root like talons, in my view, particularly in light of the damage reduction.

I'd be okay with it if they would go all the way and make it an AOE root. Then it would be useful to some people.

The only thing I can think of that explains all this is they are trying to force all Templars into playing support roles instead of being damage dealers. Better for the group finder tool with fewer players queuing as DPS. Even then, though, shouldn't they be buffing the support abilities instead of only nerfing damage abilities?

Joy_Division · December 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Has anyone actually tested the damage since the nerf? For all we know, this was an adjustment from use with a specific set, or skill combination that caused it to do more damage than intended.

Problem is I don't remember what the old values were so nothing to really compare it with.

I think what most people are (rightfully) upset about is the point. ZoS went out of their way to nerf a skill - again - which nobody had ever complained was doing too much damage while say DKs are stuck playing a broken class that isn't fun.

Blazing was *barely* worth putting on the bar before this and more importantly the burning Light proc nerf. The combination of the two has made it a joke

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

mateoz wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Most infuriation part about this is how Toppling Charge + Radiant Oppression execute proc still remains bugged. Takes months to get crucial key abilities fixed.

But than they have all the time in the world to nerf/fix a low dmg PBAoE, that's mainly used for support. What the hell?

On top of that there are others bug most templar are not aware of let alone zos.
Entropy major sorcery buff decrease DPS by 50% instead of increase
Potion major sorcery buff decrease DPS by 50% instead of increase
Regular magika pot decrease DPS
Execute range from 4 to 30k per tick under 50% (acknoledge by zos)
Toppling charge still bug after what 1 year

To get most of my templar I'm done using entropy and im not using pots anymore.

How are pots and entropy decreasing dps?

I guess it's accidentaly set to decrease instead of increase, regardless of what the info says, had a fun bug in another game that made fighting from the top of a hill vs someone charging up it give an advantage to the one charging up instead of the one defending the hill, pretty much the same thing, but different situations. xD

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Has anyone actually tested the damage since the nerf? For all we know, this was an adjustment from use with a specific set, or skill combination that caused it to do more damage than intended.

Problem is I don't remember what the old values were so nothing to really compare it with.

I think what most people are (rightfully) upset about is the point. ZoS went out of their way to nerf a skill - again - which nobody had ever complained was doing too much damage while say DKs are stuck playing a broken class that isn't fun.

Blazing was *barely* worth putting on the bar before this and more importantly the burning Light proc nerf. The combination of the two has made it a joke

Yeah, I don't even use this on my Templar outside of PVE. But i can't understand getting so angry when no one can even say what was changed.

zornyan · December 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Has anyone actually tested the damage since the nerf? For all we know, this was an adjustment from use with a specific set, or skill combination that caused it to do more damage than intended.

Problem is I don't remember what the old values were so nothing to really compare it with.

I think what most people are (rightfully) upset about is the point. ZoS went out of their way to nerf a skill - again - which nobody had ever complained was doing too much damage while say DKs are stuck playing a broken class that isn't fun.

Blazing was *barely* worth putting on the bar before this and more importantly the burning Light proc nerf. The combination of the two has made it a joke

Yeah, I don't even use this on my Templar outside of PVE. But i can't understand getting so angry when no one can even say what was changed.

We can, damage was reduced.

Look back two weeks ago, when they changed the amount of background ticks on attacks they increased damage values to make up for it, people had screenshots of the change to tooltip damage, blazing spears went up a bit, radiant destruction got cut in half.

But they didn't account for burning light procs, so although damage went up a small percentage because of less procs it lowered the total damage.

Then they've reduced the base damage on it a bit, so now it does a bit less damage than it used to, and ticks less causing less burning light procs.

Qizax · December 2015

Evilie wrote: »

In addition to the completely unnecessary NERF of Blazing Spears, here is a list of Templar bugs and completely useless abilities posted by Springt-Über-Zwerge in another thread today:

"1. No 140% bonus on shields for jabs
2. Last hit of Jabs somtimes doesnt even hit
3. no execute damage for Jesus beam
4. Radiant sweep not hitting anything at all (also 5m radius for an ultimade is ridiculous)
5. eclipse bug
6. global cooldown on toppling charge
7. completely useless sun shield
8. completely useless backlash due to cap not scaling with spell/weapondamage
9. completely useless eclipse thanks to unnessesary nerf to 1 target
10. completely useless rite of passage thanks to barrier being 100 times better
11. completely useless healing ritual
12. completely useless radiant aura thanks to potion buffs
13. why is sun fire doing firedamage as only templar skill which forces me to either not use the skill because its crap since its missing the 25% from thaumaturge or put points in elemetal expert and weakening all my other abilities

Now to passives:

1. way lower proc chance of burning light than 25%
2. ballanced warrior being everything else than ballanced (missing spelldamage)
3. enduring rays rowering templar dps (backlash)
4. light weaver being completely useless thanks to rite of passage and healing ritual being useless
5. master ritualist soulgem return bugged
6. missing ressource sustain for Templars in the passives 4% is laughable (sorcs for excample have 5% plus 15% ult cost reduction plus 20% magicka and stam regen)

And why on earth would you double nerf blazing spear I cant see any logic in nerfing the dps of the class with the lowest dps

also give us back a good aoe CC like blinding flashes
Edited by Springt-Über-Zwerge on December 2, 2015 11:24AM"

Evilie

^This x10,000. With none of the above addressed, nor most even commented on (to my knowledge); instead you nerf Blazing Spear.

I mean .. really? ...

EgoRush · December 2015

I took screenshots of the tool tip fully buffed before the update and will redo this later to compare:

Before update

I'll try to post here again after work once I take the updated screenshot.

Johngo0036 · December 2015

Shame!,

Now you know how DK's must feel,
Nerf after nerf after nerf,

EgoRush · December 2015

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Shame!,

Now you know how DK's must feel,
Nerf after nerf after nerf,

You know in a PvE context DK are still pulling top DPS other than short Overload Sorc bursts. Stamina and magicka. I've seen magicka DK hit >30K on Manti, and a stamina DK hit nearly 28K on the Serpent. Your nerfs haven't made your class near redundant as a DPS at least

in PvP I can see that DK needs a bit of love though.

Kaliki · December 2015

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Shame!,
Now you know how DK's must feel,
Nerf after nerf after nerf,

Difference is DKs actually were a really good class overall for a long time.
Templars got most of their huge nerfs before something good even even hit live, eg before launch, before 1.6? (OP Jabs damage on pts) etc.
Only thing we ever had was the month or so with bugged op sun shield.

Bogdan_Kobzar · December 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

....
every body else just needs to "L2P" but translated it's "play how I am playing or don't play at all". That's all any ESO streamer is some guy trying to force there play style on every one else.
...

This now makes sooo much sense. It would be like Matrix Revolutions with everyone being Agent Smith.
Quick, everyone dress-up / roll-up a toon to be an exact clone of <insert streamer's nym >
Cyrodiil would implode in moments.

KingYogi415 · December 2015

Reverb wrote: »

I predict the next Templar "fixes":

Radiant Destruction and morphs: no more execution bonus, not eligible to crit, 40% chance of being reflected back at the caster. If reflected, does 300% bonus damage to caster and cannot be interrupted or purged.

Dark Flare: no longer grants Empower or Major defile. Cast time increased to 5 seconds.

Piercing Javelin and morphs: will cost 120% more. No longer has knockback effect but still grants cc immunity.

Eclipse and morphs: only eligible for use against tier 1 NPCs 5 or more levels below the caster. Any attempt to cast on an ineligible target will result in an unbreakable 5-second stun, as a penalty for misuse.

Puncturing Strikes and morphs: no longer eligible for burning light or crit chance. If target initiates a block during the attack, caster will be knocked off balance and will have magicka and stamina pools reduced by 40% for 15 seconds.

I main a very fun magicka templar, and i would quit

tplink3r1 · December 2015

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Shame!,

Now you know how DK's must feel,
Nerf after nerf after nerf,

Wthat are you talking about? Templars have been nerfed nonstop since beta.

Digiman · December 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

Don't worry fellow Templars.. it's to prepare us for the upcoming class balance changes, which are going to be awesome... AWESOME!! So awesome that they already need to tone down a couple of things now!

</sarcasm>

I expect Wrobel to shoot magicka combat DPS in the knee with an arrow while giving stamina melee DPS all the fun DPS numbers.

Tdroid · December 2015

Digiman wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Don't worry fellow Templars.. it's to prepare us for the upcoming class balance changes, which are going to be awesome... AWESOME!! So awesome that they already need to tone down a couple of things now!

</sarcasm>

I expect Wrobel to shoot magicka combat DPS in the knee with an arrow while giving stamina melee DPS all the fun DPS numbers.

I'm more in the camp of thinking that magicka DPS will skyrocket again and stamina will simply be an inferior choice. Again. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it took quite a while before stamina DPS even became kinda good and now that there are strong PvP stamina builds, I expect them to get hammered down really hard in the name of balance. Though, with the amount of complaints about the Sorc(I would say at least some of them are valid too), maybe they too will get stomped.

Or, if we are really lucky, ZOS will scratch the classes as we know them and start over with roughly the same principles in mind so we don't need to have so many vestigial limps from the time of no Champion Points and with soft-caps to stats(by Talos I miss the soft-caps keeping thigns from going too crazy).

AfkNinja · December 2015

Tdroid wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Don't worry fellow Templars.. it's to prepare us for the upcoming class balance changes, which are going to be awesome... AWESOME!! So awesome that they already need to tone down a couple of things now!

</sarcasm>

I expect Wrobel to shoot magicka combat DPS in the knee with an arrow while giving stamina melee DPS all the fun DPS numbers.

I'm more in the camp of thinking that magicka DPS will skyrocket again and stamina will simply be an inferior choice. Again. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it took quite a while before stamina DPS even became kinda good and now that there are strong PvP stamina builds, I expect them to get hammered down really hard in the name of balance. Though, with the amount of complaints about the Sorc(I would say at least some of them are valid too), maybe they too will get stomped.

Or, if we are really lucky, ZOS will scratch the classes as we know them and start over with roughly the same principles in mind so we don't need to have so many vestigial limps from the time of no Champion Points and with soft-caps to stats(by Talos I miss the soft-caps keeping thigns from going too crazy).

Magicka DPS is already stronger due to penetration passives and Nirnhoned swords.

In this thread it was noticed Puncturing Sweeps is crushing Biting Jabs despite having almost identical stats. ZOS has confirmed things are working correctly. On top of this Magplar gets healing from that dmg.....why play Stamplar at all?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230260/weapon-damage-broken-again-puncturing-sweeps-vs-biting-jabs/p1

Springt-Über-Zwerge · December 2015

AfkNinja wrote: »

Tdroid wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Don't worry fellow Templars.. it's to prepare us for the upcoming class balance changes, which are going to be awesome... AWESOME!! So awesome that they already need to tone down a couple of things now!

</sarcasm>

I expect Wrobel to shoot magicka combat DPS in the knee with an arrow while giving stamina melee DPS all the fun DPS numbers.

I'm more in the camp of thinking that magicka DPS will skyrocket again and stamina will simply be an inferior choice. Again. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it took quite a while before stamina DPS even became kinda good and now that there are strong PvP stamina builds, I expect them to get hammered down really hard in the name of balance. Though, with the amount of complaints about the Sorc(I would say at least some of them are valid too), maybe they too will get stomped.

Or, if we are really lucky, ZOS will scratch the classes as we know them and start over with roughly the same principles in mind so we don't need to have so many vestigial limps from the time of no Champion Points and with soft-caps to stats(by Talos I miss the soft-caps keeping thigns from going too crazy).

Magicka DPS is already stronger due to penetration passives and Nirnhoned swords.

In this thread it was noticed Puncturing Sweeps is crushing Biting Jabs despite having almost identical stats. ZOS has confirmed things are working correctly. On top of this Magplar gets healing from that dmg.....why play Stamplar at all?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/230260/weapon-damage-broken-again-puncturing-sweeps-vs-biting-jabs/p1

This is for pve but adding physical damage reduction will not affect pve dps. Pvp is something completely different you cant really compare. Mobs dont have harness magicka which completely sucks up puncturing sweep and makes it to magicka while biting jabs just ignores the shield while there is no compareable shield against physical damage

Drewzi · December 2015

I'm just gonna say this. As a stamplar before this *** hit I was doing 18-23kish (mob depending) single target damage, talking vet16 WGT and ICP. Now I Max out at 15k no matter what. Gear wise it's all V16 gold divines, 5 hundings 1 molag kena, 3 night mother, 3 agility all weapon power everything Max stamina. I currently have 236 champ points, running dw and 2h. This nerf pisses me off so much because I lost dps and don't have anything else to slot to make up for it.