Either of those classes have alternatives to WB. Surprise Attack is much better coupled with Ambush for a NB and Heavy/Jabs weave is usually better for a Templar predicated on a Blinding Javelin/Stampede combo.

Wrecking Blow is good though. However you will get more mileage out of the alternative I mentioned depending on your build and whether or not you are any good at PvP.

WB distance to hit needs a check. Sometimes it hits from something that seems like 10-12 meter. Its fubar.

On the nightblade I would highly recommend that you use Surprise Attack over WB in pvp. WB is easier on your stamina bar and will do roughly equal DPS assuming you can just spam it back to back, but remember that players can think and react. Nightblade is a squishy class and relies a lot on mobility and cloak to prevent damage, but WB is a 1s channel that leaves you vulnerable. There are plenty of NBs successfully using WB as their main DPS, but they're going to be vulnerable to players who know how to counter it by canceling the cast with runthroughs.

Alternately, you could run WB when you're pvping in a group, and surprise attack when solo. It's much easier to land WB on distracted foes in a melee with several other players.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um .... If you would read some post WB is all any one does in PvP and tons of players are calling for it's balance cause it is from what I read is broken to hit 20 meters away can be animation cancel to insta cast and can do all the way up to 10K damage even after mitigation.

WB is a broken cheap exploitable skill so yes it is very good in PvP only way to pvp is to exploit broken mechanics and skills.

This is nonsense.
And "if you would read some post" you would *** your ability to think clearly and stack garbage on top of knowledge. Seriously, the forums are a cesspool.

@Strider_Roshin is correct in the above post.

I would also add that WB is not insta cast even when weaved into a Heavy Attack. More importantly the only way it's going to do 10k damage (after mitigation) is against a fully debuffed player from a fully buffed player likely 4kish Weap Dmg with Empower.

You are also wrong about it being exploitable broken mechanic. There are several abilities in game currently that do just as much or more damage that are instant cast. You really don't know what you are talking about.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um .... If you would read some post WB is all any one does in PvP and tons of players are calling for it's balance cause it is from what I read is broken to hit 20 meters away can be animation cancel to insta cast and can do all the way up to 10K damage even after mitigation.

WB is a broken cheap exploitable skill so yes it is very good in PvP only way to pvp is to exploit broken mechanics and skills.

Stop being bad, and scared. Then get better, or stick to quest grinding. Kill the nonsense.

Kutsuu wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

WB distance to hit needs a check. Sometimes it hits from something that seems like 10-12 meter. Its fubar.

There could be some lag involved in experiences you've had where it seemed to hit from too far away, but the range is not bugged. It's a very common mistake that people try to move away from WB when they see the wind up. It has a pretty large cone and a pretty long range - your absolute best counter is to run through the player. The moment you are out of their frontal cone, it will cancel the cast and they will have to start channeling again.

I appreciate your candor and attempt to rationally explain, however it is bugged, if you start the cast while someone is within 5m and they blink or roll away but are still in front of you it will still land. I've had it hit me and I've hit other players from as far as 18m, the key is that you have to start the cast while they are still in 5-7m range. This issue as best I've heard it described is that the range check is only on the initiation of the cast, now you can roll/bolt escape out of the cone and you can run through them. However if you are slowed and they start the cast at max range you will not be able to run through them, you will have to roll/bolt escape, CC them, or use an immovability pot. The key to WB spamming is actually keeping your opponent slowed while staying at max range and strafing, it is highly effective and will beat at least 60% if not more of the players you encounter in pvp. This is not the only issue with WB as you can be "bounced" to death without ever being able to break free or get up, sometimes without hitting the ground. This however is extremely rare and I attribute to lag.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

WB distance to hit needs a check. Sometimes it hits from something that seems like 10-12 meter. Its fubar.

There could be some lag involved in experiences you've had where it seemed to hit from too far away, but the range is not bugged. It's a very common mistake that people try to move away from WB when they see the wind up. It has a pretty large cone and a pretty long range - your absolute best counter is to run through the player. The moment you are out of their frontal cone, it will cancel the cast and they will have to start channeling again.

I appreciate your candor and attempt to rationally explain, however it is bugged, if you start the cast while someone is within 5m and they blink or roll away but are still in front of you it will still land. I've had it hit me and I've hit other players from as far as 18m, the key is that you have to start the cast while they are still in 5-7m range. This issue as best I've heard it described is that the range check is only on the initiation of the cast, now you can roll/bolt escape out of the cone and you can run through them. However if you are slowed and they start the cast at max range you will not be able to run through them, you will have to roll/bolt escape, CC them, or use an immovability pot. The key to WB spamming is actually keeping your opponent slowed while staying at max range and strafing, it is highly effective and will beat at least 60% if not more of the players you encounter in pvp. This is not the only issue with WB as you can be "bounced" to death without ever being able to break free or get up, sometimes without hitting the ground. This however is extremely rare and I attribute to lag.

Not sure if you realize this but this works with a lot of attacks and skills.

Take Bow for example. Test this yourself. Take out your bow and find a target and begin a heavy attack. Mid animation turn and face the opposite direction, once you are facing the other way, let your attack go. You will still hit your target. Same concept really.

Wrecking Blow*

Wrecking Blow takes really good timing to pull off in PvP. Will it destroy someone? Absolutely. But being able to reliably use it is another story. I find ganking with one other is the real way to pull it off with any success. Anytime I'm caught by it is when I'm ambushed by 2 people and don't have enough time to react.

Waffennacht wrote: »

blur wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Um .... If you would read some post WB is all any one does in PvP and tons of players are calling for it's balance cause it is from what I read is broken to hit 20 meters away can be animation cancel to insta cast and can do all the way up to 10K damage even after mitigation.

WB is a broken cheap exploitable skill so yes it is very good in PvP only way to pvp is to exploit broken mechanics and skills.

This is nonsense.
And "if you would read some post" you would *** your ability to think clearly and stack garbage on top of knowledge. Seriously, the forums are a cesspool.

@Strider_Roshin is correct in the above post.

I would also add that WB is not insta cast even when weaved into a Heavy Attack. More importantly the only way it's going to do 10k damage (after mitigation) is against a fully debuffed player from a fully buffed player likely 4kish Weap Dmg with Empower.

You are also wrong about it being exploitable broken mechanic. There are several abilities in game currently that do just as much or more damage that are instant cast. You really don't know what you are talking about.

Lol I can get wrecking blow far higher than that, hell my tooltip value is at 16k+, pve people have recorded 60k+ hits. Especially from stealth..

Of course, but we are talking about PvP not PvE. I know WB can do over 10k, I main a Stam Sorc remember? It's my bread and butter offensive attack. However saying its insta cast and able to go over 10k after mitigation is just horseshit.

Um you realize like our whole class is gonna take over 10k after mitigation right?

Let's say I did have boundless and aegis on, given me another 9ish% mitigation, that WB would still be hitting me for over 10k.

That's with me running vet 16 gear, light 5 medium and heavy, the typical sorc dps line up.

So yeah it does hit over 10k with mitigation on the whole sorc dps light armor builds.

Again, I never said it doesn't hit for over 10k. What you are ignoring that I did say is that said WB is also empowered and buffed and you are likely being hit with a maul thus taking armor penetration and likely affected by CP which also penetrates armor. I also stated above I get 10k+ WBs on my sorc. I don't know any Stam Sorc in game that has higher damage than me as I have max CP and have the most AP possible on a Stam Sorc. That said, I can tell you that my average WBs are not always over 10k. In fact I have seen true mitigated WB crits do 7k. So let's stop trying to act like WB always hits over 10k even after mitigation, this is false. More importantly, I was mostly speaking out against the 20m insta WB, that is truly horseshit.