Rook_Master wrote: »There is now a hard counter to shield-stacking and Sorcs act like the sky is falling.
For months I heard sorcs argue that shields are fine, because "any class can shield stack, don't pay any attention to Hardened Ward lol"
Well, Shieldbreaker can hit any shields, don't pay any attention to Hardened Ward lol.
Not sure what feminism has to do with it but..
If I saw that correctly the sorc's Hardened Ward is 15k. That is.. larger than most.
Some people will watch this and think every sorc has that.
Puts into perspective the amount of skill needed for less endowed sorcs.
This video is a pretty excellent representation of what's so frustrating about sorcs. It never really made much sense to me why a self-described 'glass cannon' class has the strongest shield in the game, which also happens to scale off of magicka. What's so glass cannon about a 20-30k shield? Idk, I just can't see the downside to sorc at all when you can be at range, stack shields to double your health and escape at whim when you're threatened.
Sorcs have:
1) Mobility
2) Tankiness
3) Damage
And no other class has all three. NBs lack the tankiness and DK's & Temps lack mobility. Just totally nonsensical.
What's so glass cannon about a 20-30k shield? Idk, I just can't see the downside to sorc at all when you can be at range, stack shields to double your health and escape at whim when you're threatened.
LegendaryChef wrote: »What's so glass cannon about a 20-30k shield? Idk, I just can't see the downside to sorc at all when you can be at range, stack shields to double your health and escape at whim when you're threatened.
Maybe your point here would have been valid in 1.6 but the way things are right now my hardened and harness = 17k shield and I have 20k health without emp buff.
You also mentioned escape when your threatened, if you have played sorc in this patch and tried to "escape at whim" after the stacking cost got introduced then you will understand that your point here, is also invalid. All it takes is 1 of the players to have a gap closer (which 90% of players in cyrodill do) then streaking away is just pointless due to the root spam from ambush etc.
Rook_Master wrote: »There is now a hard counter to shield-stacking and Sorcs act like the sky is falling.
For months I heard sorcs argue that shields are fine, because "any class can shield stack, don't pay any attention to Hardened Ward lol"
Well, Shieldbreaker can hit any shields, don't pay any attention to Hardened Ward lol.
Yes, because it's sets a bad precedent. you don't want this kinda crap in the game. I don't know what class you play. but imagine a set the completely countered your classes main strength with little effort or thought required, it would suck and it does suck.
I've said many times. taking out a sorc with superior DPS and excellent timing, is skill. This set on the other hand is is lack of it. it's a bad set to add to the game pure and simple.
LegendaryChef wrote: »What's so glass cannon about a 20-30k shield? Idk, I just can't see the downside to sorc at all when you can be at range, stack shields to double your health and escape at whim when you're threatened.
Maybe your point here would have been valid in 1.6 but the way things are right now my hardened and harness = 17k shield and I have 20k health without emp buff.
You also mentioned escape when your threatened, if you have played sorc in this patch and tried to "escape at whim" after the stacking cost got introduced then you will understand that your point here, is also invalid. All it takes is 1 of the players to have a gap closer (which 90% of players in cyrodill do) then streaking away is just pointless due to the root spam from ambush etc.
Your pool: 17K + 20K = 37K
Average non-sorc health: 20-25k
Nearly double. Come on now.
Also, most sorcs I know are able to get their magicka pools to above 40k. So if you're telling me you can only bolt once and its a completely ineffective escape because of the stacking nerf, well, I just don't believe you. I think you should easily be able to use this skill 3 times without going oom. Sure, you may not be able to use it 5,6,7 times in a row like before --- but that's called balance.
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I love these suggestions from Alcast ("Have you tried S&B with some stamina?", "Have you tried blocking?") which reminds me very much of Araxleon's thread ("Why do Sorcs refuse to think outside the box?") or even DDuke's posts before that. When none of them have actually ever played Sorc and they are talking to people who main Sorcs and have tried countless of combinations to try and balance survivability with damage output.
Reminds me of this gif
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I love these suggestions from Alcast ("Have you tried S&B with some stamina?", "Have you tried blocking?") which reminds me very much of Araxleon's thread ("Why do Sorcs refuse to think outside the box?") or even DDuke's posts before that. When none of them have actually ever played Sorc and they are talking to people who main Sorcs and have tried countless of combinations to try and balance survivability with damage output.
Reminds me of this gif
This so much.
By the way, sorcs are very killable even without the shield breaker set. I still see stam DKs and NBs putting out massive bursts from stealth in shorts amount of time. A 12k hardened ward doesn't stand up against a 17k heavy attack, 11k wrecking blow spam, 10k surprise attack spam. It was always a l2p issue it just needs to be said now. Shield breaker is broken and should have never been implemented. @ZOS_RichLambert
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I love these suggestions from Alcast ("Have you tried S&B with some stamina?", "Have you tried blocking?") which reminds me very much of Araxleon's thread ("Why do Sorcs refuse to think outside the box?") or even DDuke's posts before that. When none of them have actually ever played Sorc and they are talking to people who main Sorcs and have tried countless of combinations to try and balance survivability with damage output.
Reminds me of this gif
This so much.
By the way, sorcs are very killable even without the shield breaker set. I still see stam DKs and NBs putting out massive bursts from stealth in shorts amount of time. A 12k hardened ward doesn't stand up against a 17k heavy attack, 11k wrecking blow spam, 10k surprise attack spam. It was always a l2p issue it just needs to be said now. Shield breaker is broken and should have never been implemented. @ZOS_RichLambert
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I love these suggestions from Alcast ("Have you tried S&B with some stamina?", "Have you tried blocking?") which reminds me very much of Araxleon's thread ("Why do Sorcs refuse to think outside the box?") or even DDuke's posts before that. When none of them have actually ever played Sorc and they are talking to people who main Sorcs and have tried countless of combinations to try and balance survivability with damage output.
Reminds me of this gif
This so much.
By the way, sorcs are very killable even without the shield breaker set. I still see stam DKs and NBs putting out massive bursts from stealth in shorts amount of time. A 12k hardened ward doesn't stand up against a 17k heavy attack, 11k wrecking blow spam, 10k surprise attack spam. It was always a l2p issue it just needs to be said now. Shield breaker is broken and should have never been implemented. @ZOS_RichLambert
You can't crit on shields, so 10k surprise attack on a 12k hardened ward, both recastable every single second, isn't realistic.
Heavy attack of 17k only from stealth so I'm not counting that in.
Wrecking blow got a cast time and is melee, you're a sorc.. If you get hit then shame on you
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I love these suggestions from Alcast ("Have you tried S&B with some stamina?", "Have you tried blocking?") which reminds me very much of Araxleon's thread ("Why do Sorcs refuse to think outside the box?") or even DDuke's posts before that. When none of them have actually ever played Sorc and they are talking to people who main Sorcs and have tried countless of combinations to try and balance survivability with damage output.
Reminds me of this gif
This so much.
By the way, sorcs are very killable even without the shield breaker set. I still see stam DKs and NBs putting out massive bursts from stealth in shorts amount of time. A 12k hardened ward doesn't stand up against a 17k heavy attack, 11k wrecking blow spam, 10k surprise attack spam. It was always a l2p issue it just needs to be said now. Shield breaker is broken and should have never been implemented. @ZOS_RichLambert
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I love these suggestions from Alcast ("Have you tried S&B with some stamina?", "Have you tried blocking?") which reminds me very much of Araxleon's thread ("Why do Sorcs refuse to think outside the box?") or even DDuke's posts before that. When none of them have actually ever played Sorc and they are talking to people who main Sorcs and have tried countless of combinations to try and balance survivability with damage output.
Reminds me of this gif
This so much.
By the way, sorcs are very killable even without the shield breaker set. I still see stam DKs and NBs putting out massive bursts from stealth in shorts amount of time. A 12k hardened ward doesn't stand up against a 17k heavy attack, 11k wrecking blow spam, 10k surprise attack spam. It was always a l2p issue it just needs to be said now. Shield breaker is broken and should have never been implemented. @ZOS_RichLambert
Biting Jabs isn't burst damage, that's your problem, whittle their shields down with DoTs or Jabs and then smack them with Burst, either Dawnbreaker, Meteor, Take Flight for DKs, and immediately follow up with a animation canceled execute. Shield Breaker is a colossally broken set.... Can't hate you for using it for easy kills but that video proves you can spam jabs and fail to kill a Sorcerer, which is... Not an accomplishment on either end.
Every decent sorc cant be killed if you do not use shieldbreaker, no matter what class you play.
With shieldbreaker however, the situation changes quite a lot, burst him down to 10-30% HP then he spams shields and that is where you spam shieldbreaker = RIP sorc
tho you need a Bow for that, otherwise he Bolts away like a chicken
How do you expect a sorc to fight shieldbreaker bow light attack spam. You can´t outheal the dmg with anything but illustrous healing which negates all mobility you have in the process.
I want a set that enables me to bypass reflect. Let´s see how your dk likes that one.
Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »Biting Jabs isn't burst damage, that's your problem, whittle their shields down with DoTs or Jabs and then smack them with Burst, either Dawnbreaker, Meteor, Take Flight for DKs, and immediately follow up with a animation canceled execute. Shield Breaker is a colossally broken set.... Can't hate you for using it for easy kills but that video proves you can spam jabs and fail to kill a Sorcerer, which is... Not an accomplishment on either end.
Every decent sorc cant be killed if you do not use shieldbreaker, no matter what class you play.
With shieldbreaker however, the situation changes quite a lot, burst him down to 10-30% HP then he spams shields and that is where you spam shieldbreaker = RIP sorc
tho you need a Bow for that, otherwise he Bolts away like a chicken
How do you expect a sorc to fight shieldbreaker bow light attack spam. You can´t outheal the dmg with anything but illustrous healing which negates all mobility you have in the process.
I want a set that enables me to bypass reflect. Let´s see how your dk likes that one.
Silly sorcs, if all someone is doing is light bow attack spam.. 1. stop spamming ur shield 2. attack them sureing u cna out dps the 2k per sec that SB puts out?.. No decent sorcs dies to SB in a 1v1.
shield bubbles seem to scale stronger and faster than damage abilities thanks to the removal of softcaps, increase in level cap, and the champion system (bastion in particular needs a massive nerf, or to simply be removed and replaced with something that mitigates physical dmg)... this isn't just a sorc issue, shield stacks of healing ward + annulment + barrier = can be used by anyone
as for sorcs... against a minmaxed sorc with basic class competency in a 1v1, hardened/healing ward stacks are mathematically unbreakable against most magicka builds (or against stam builds that don't use wrecking blow or surprise attack)... my stam dk murders sorcs in seconds, but my magicka dk or nb needs to rely on a lucky burst while the sorc is cc'd otherwise it's hardened + healing = 25k plus worth of un-crittable immersion-breaking trash