the people who say thats a macro are wrong.

the things he used are easy to do without even animation cancelling.
and will result in a oneshot if the enemy in question doesnt have enough hp/armor etc.

theres alot more combo's that result in a very fast kill that will seem to be a 1 shot.. but as said before..if you have issues with these kinds of things than you'l just have to spec into a bit more defense.

these things are easy to counter by slotting magelight and not beeing a vamp because of camo procs.


i can go down fast aswell but i know thats the risk i'm taking if i decide to spec my character to be mostly offensive.

"oneshot"

timidobserver wrote: »

I know you don't respond to being summoned but I am going to do it anyway.
@ZOS_RichLambert

I've figured out how to prevent this from killing me most of the time, but it ends up with me running a build I don't really want to run. It would be awesome if camo hunter wasn't proccing 2-3 times inside of one global.

In this Pic camo procced onces. SNEAK damage AND the NORMAL damage of camo.
But as you said before, apparently there are people that can avoid the cooldown, I have not seen one tho yet


That dude died because he had a bad reaction time + the NB prolly did a good job animation canceling his skills.

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I can see how this is done, and it isnt as difficult as ppl might think, you hit three buttons and time them right. I might, however, rethink going vamp on my nb.

I never said that it is difficult. Just when 20 AD 20 EP and 30 DC fighting each other non stop plus all the mobs who respauwn all the time it makes the thing more difficult to be done.
@olsborg Do you think that if you are not a vampire this will save you? Remove the procs for 10k and that means that I would have 10k health but after this combo the user can use fear and 2-3 light surprice attacks on me and I will be dead 2-3 seconds later. As I said I play all heavy. Imagine this happening to a light armor player?

People do this to me all the time and die for it. The moment I get a stun indication from a stealth attack I break free and then pot, dodge roll while blocking the whole time. I'll apply a piercing mark to the offending nightblade and switch to offense. I was doing this in 1.6 before the damage nerf, it's even easier in 2.1.

The tools given to players for killing vampires/daedra are just insane right now. Have you even seen the new weapon enchants that destroy vamps? I think on legendary it is something like 1400 damage to vampires. If you want to complain about something complain about all the vamp-fighting abilities. I'd rather they just did away with all of the vampire weaknesses and abilities so that it could just be something people would use for RP purposes instead of another thing they have to worry about balancing when they have difficulty balancing just 4 classes.

It's not a one shot build, but an instant kill.

I was getting "instant killed" by wrecking blow with camo hunter out of stealth. The problem has always been damage out of stealth. ZOS blanket nerfed damage by 50% instead of adjusting stealth damage, and instant kills are still happening.

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

It's not a one shot build, but an instant kill.

I was getting "instant killed" by wrecking blow with camo hunter out of stealth. The problem has always been damage out of stealth. ZOS blanket nerfed damage by 50% instead of adjusting stealth damage, and instant kills are still happening.

There is a reason I natively am running close to 40% Crit Resistance right now. So many people are overlooking Impen and other defensive CPs and abilities because they need MOAR damage!!! as the expense of survivability.

If people don't want to get killed very quickly then they still need to build for it.

I'm running shieldbreaker set which is all Impen trait v15. It still happens to me on occasion with the double and even triple procs of camo hunter, each one hitting for 5 - 6k. Ive got 25k HP and its still Insta death in 1 second. No time to even flap my DK wings. I even have CP spent in reduce damage taken from crits.

Now the NB's have all the new sets they've returned to ganking. You'll never get rid of it, especially the perma-stun combo we see here. It doesn't even require a macro, like someone already said you just cast all 3 abilities almost at once.

Most gankers get a thrill out of it. They'll just do it to the same person over and over not caring they're not gaining AP, tel var, XP etc. It just turns them on that they're ruining your objective.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Now the NB's have all the new sets they've returned to ganking. You'll never get rid of it, especially the perma-stun combo we see here. It doesn't even require a macro, like someone already said you just cast all 3 abilities almost at once.

Most gankers get a thrill out of it. They'll just do it to the same person over and over not caring they're not gaining AP, tel var, XP etc. It just turns them on that they're ruining your objective.

You get rid of it, the same way they fixed most other stuff...Cooldowns

right now, Your Weapon Enchant has an Internal Cooldown...Torug Pact reduces this by 1 sec...so your weapon enchant can only proc onces every X amoutn of seconds.

Undaunted Sets like Valkyn Skoria and Bloodspawn have internal cooldowns...Skoira can only proc meteors onces every 6 seconds i do beleive.

You fix stealth by adding an internal cooldown to the stealth daamge bonus and adding a timer to the character performing the stealth attack just like they did with Valkyn Skoria.

So say a 2-3 second cooldown on the stealth damage bonus would be about right, That means they could only get a stealth damage attack bonus once every 2-3 seconds. Put a timer on the player who initates the stealth attack and no more bonus until the timer expires.

this stops getting 4 Camo procs from Stealth

this stops 3-4 bow attacks or others from all getting the stealth damage bonus at the same time, with a cooldown only 1 of them would get the bonus.

This is the only way you will ever truly fix this, Being able to land multiple attacks with a stealth bonus is no different then the folks who were stacking Wall of elements on top of each other for stupid damage last year...its an abuse of mechanics that needs to be fixed.

The only question is, does ZOS care enough about their game to fix it, or will they just nerf global damage again which won't fix the underlying issue of the fact landing more then 1 stealth attack at the same time simply shouldn't be possible.

Then again, i guess Valkyn Skoria should have no cooldown and should be able to proc multiple meteors at the same time all the time, and Wall of Elements should be able to stack again....

Thankfully we have strong heals and shields...huehuehuehuehue.

OdinForge wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

It's not a one shot build, but an instant kill.

I was getting "instant killed" by wrecking blow with camo hunter out of stealth. The problem has always been damage out of stealth. ZOS blanket nerfed damage by 50% instead of adjusting stealth damage, and instant kills are still happening.

There is a reason I natively am running close to 40% Crit Resistance right now. So many people are overlooking Impen and other defensive CPs and abilities because they need MOAR damage!!! as the expense of survivability.

If people don't want to get killed very quickly then they still need to build for it.

I'm all for the idea of building to counter mechanics, but this is happening to people with defense in mind. Instant killing from stealth doesn't need to be a thing, I'm all for fast killing too. A preemptive strike and stun is all the advantage one should get.

I agree with you guys in principle here although the culprit here is more of a camo hunter issue.

Ezareth wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I know you don't respond to being summoned but I am going to do it anyway.
@ZOS_RichLambert

I've figured out how to prevent this from killing me most of the time, but it ends up with me running a build I don't really want to run. It would be awesome if camo hunter wasn't proccing 2-3 times inside of one global.

It's not one global. It's called snipe which is a timed projectile followed by ambush. Both receive the camo stealth guaranteed hit.

Either way the OP died in 3 seconds not 1. Snipe > Ambush > Soul Harvest takes 3 seconds to execute and they all land in about 1.5 seconds if done right.

That's the price you pay for being a vampire and the exact reason I'll never ever play one. The thought of some garbage can getting an easy kill on me is unbearable. I've actually had several NBs try that garbage on me in 2.1 although they usually dawnbreaker me instead of soul harvest. Aren't you supposed to know who is a vampire and who is a dose that'll make them wish they were born a woman?

Domander wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

I play with 7 heavy and I am a vampire. But I got one shotted. Now most of you will say drop vampire and *** like that but the problem is that the vamp passive is broken after the last update. And even if I wasnt a vampire after this combo that NB will fear and surprise attack me to death.

Which passive is broken?

Judging by the screenshot it is clear that undeath is working perfectly. Empowered Soul Harvest for only 4606?

Camo hunter procs on humans too. that's the thing

frozywozy wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I know you don't respond to being summoned but I am going to do it anyway.
@ZOS_RichLambert

I've figured out how to prevent this from killing me most of the time, but it ends up with me running a build I don't really want to run. It would be awesome if camo hunter wasn't proccing 2-3 times inside of one global.

It's not one global. It's called snipe which is a timed projectile followed by ambush. Both receive the camo stealth guaranteed hit.

Either way the OP died in 3 seconds not 1. Snipe > Ambush > Soul Harvest takes 3 seconds to execute and they all land in about 1.5 seconds if done right.

That's the price you pay for being a vampire and the exact reason I'll never ever play one. The thought of some garbage can getting an easy kill on me is unbearable. I've actually had several NBs try that garbage on me in 2.1 although they usually dawnbreaker me instead of soul harvest. Aren't you supposed to know who is a vampire and who is a dose that'll make them wish they were born a woman?

Domander wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

I play with 7 heavy and I am a vampire. But I got one shotted. Now most of you will say drop vampire and *** like that but the problem is that the vamp passive is broken after the last update. And even if I wasnt a vampire after this combo that NB will fear and surprise attack me to death.

Which passive is broken?

Judging by the screenshot it is clear that undeath is working perfectly. Empowered Soul Harvest for only 4606?

Camo hunter procs on humans too. that's the thing

I know, I'm fine with a 4% proc chance for added damage. I'm fine with RNG period, but camo hunters on vampires from stealth is not RNG...it's guaranteed.

Bashev wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I know you don't respond to being summoned but I am going to do it anyway.
@ZOS_RichLambert

I've figured out how to prevent this from killing me most of the time, but it ends up with me running a build I don't really want to run. It would be awesome if camo hunter wasn't proccing 2-3 times inside of one global.

In this Pic camo procced onces. SNEAK damage AND the NORMAL damage of camo.
But as you said before, apparently there are people that can avoid the cooldown, I have not seen one tho yet


That dude died because he had a bad reaction time + the NB prolly did a good job animation canceling his skills.

Bad reaction time ? Are you kidding me? In the big fight that I described you cannot hear the snipe and when I got the stun animation I was already dead.

I guess you are right there..but why create a topic about it? I mean in big fights shizzle happens and when you dont block for a second and you get many hits then RIP anyway.
This rarely happens so why bother with it?

If you want to prevent this just stack HP up to 35k
or wear Pheonix set
or a permablocker uses "Guard" skill
or use radiant magelight to reduce sneak crit dmg of enemy.

I mean when Snipe,ambush,soulharvest hits you at the same time then you are dead anyway if you dont block.
Animation canceling is the issue. You dont need macros for it, if you know how it works then no problemo to combo stuff.



It just annoys me that people want to get rid of ALL the skills and we end up Heavy/Light attacking...If there is no burst skills then we will be playing 1v1s that take 10mins and in the end ppl just walk away bc they cant kill each other. the 50% dmg reduction is already too high...

Ambush and focused aim all in one second with a soul harvest one second after, two camo procs from stealth.

Id hire that guy as an assassin to exterminate the bats in my house