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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8100050/#Comment_8100050

Game much worse after last patch (12)

  • buzonnewsb16_ESO
    Hi!

    Well, I send a ticket and I received a response:
    - I must upgrade my video card driver becouse it was 1 month old.
    - I must change the content of my usersettings.txt by another one which then sent me by mail.

    Ticket status: Solved, they said...

    I followed the instructions. I upgraded the driver and changed the usersettings.txt.

    Before the changes I was able to walk over a minute before the game crash.
    After the changes, the crash occurs in the first second of play.

    Congratulations! My crashes had been optimized. Now, they are more fast and reliables than ever!

    Ticket status: NOT SOLVED
  • newtinmpls
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    Rats.

    I'm not encouraged. This week has been very bad .. and tonight (when I finally get a chance to play) it's much much worse.
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
    ***
    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • gard
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    gard wrote: »
    gard wrote: »
    More on stuttering sound, loading screens, and framerate drops -

    As previously noted, these generally occur simultaneously. Most often immediately after porting to a wayshrine.
    /reloadui seems to fix it (my framerate goes back up into the 60's where it normally is).

    I have also had this happen at dolmens and world bosses. Insta-gib!
    I don't get a chance to /reloadui because I'm dead =P


    Last night (post leap second maintenance) I experienced the stuttering sound (or in some cases, total lack of sound) and framerate drops on several occasions. It doesn't just occur on teleporting to a wayshrine, but on pretty much any transition involving a loading screen. It goes something like this:

    Transition to new zone
    Sound is jacked up
    Framerate ~10 fps
    /reloadui
    framerate ~70 fps and all is well.

    Leap second maintenance won't have any effect on this issue. I'm sure your server devs will tell you that.

    Next time it happens I will try to remember to check memory usage and disk IO.
    I ran the diagnostic tool (available from the launcher). It doesn't recognize my nvidia card (which is the one ESO uses). Worthless.




    ZOS_MollyH wrote: »
    To better assist you, we will need to have some more information regarding your system specs. If you would like an agent to directly assist you in troubleshooting to directly address crashing issues, a ticket will need to be submitted to our CS team.

    If you are sure to include your Game Consultant report along with an msinfo report, it will contain the diagnostic information necessary to pinpoint the issue that is causing your game to crash.Sometimes if your system contains an onboard video chip as well as a dedicated video card, the dedicated card will show up in the devices and drivers section. Our agents know where to find this information and can pull the correct info from your GC report.

    Please be sure to describe when the crashing occurs, whether you are playing with addons or without, and any troubleshooting steps you have performed already.

    If you receive a reply that doesn't address or answer your question, all you have to do is reply to the email and it will remain open for an agent to assist you directly.

    We understand the frustration when your game crashes and it seems like there's no resolution, but in order to help we need to ask these questions and work with you with the answers.

    Crash reports generated that automatically send are processed by another team, and our agents do not have access to these reports. We will need to have a ticket number and those diagnostic tests to be able to assist you.


    Your "Consultant" app does not even detect the Nvidia 675 that is installed in my system (and which ESO is using).
    I'm not sure it's true that bad information is better than no information.

    My wife complains that I never listen to her. (Or something like that.)
    -- I'm a one man smurf zerg!

    My ESO addons:
    Midnight - Find out when midnight is so that you can check for ww/vamp spawn.
    Goto - Adds a tab to the map pane allowing you to teleport to a friend, guildmate, or groupmate for free.
  • buzonnewsb16_ESO
    Hi,

    Second response to my ticket: "Use the OPENGL option".

    Oh! Great Idea! Everybody know that "trick" from march and if I was good with a framerate of 15, I would have used it since then.

    It seems that the problem is related in some way with the directx, but rather to detect and fix, it has gotten worse in each patch that have launched.

    Someone has taken a look at this from March? I guess not.
  • buzonnewsb16_ESO
    Hi, folks!

    Third response to my ticket. They had found the origin of my crashes.

    My game crashes becouse my video card is very good and powerful for my windows 7 32 bits. I must upgrade my windows or downgrade my video card.

    This is their response:
    Hello again,

    To run on Direct X, the system will require more RAM, or more specifically, a 64 bit version of Windows.

    The issue is that you have a 32 bit operating system installed. This would normally be fine, except that you have a good graphics card that is using a considerable amount of the system RAM as well.

    A 32 bit system cannot use more than 4GB of RAM, after you factor in the graphics card, and the operating system itself, this leaves little RAM left for ESO to run.

    You do have 8GB of RAM installed on your PC though, so if you updated to a 64 version of Windows, you would then have 8GB of RAM to use instead of 4GB, and the crashing would be gone. You would also get a significant boost to your operating systems performance as well as a boost in performance for the graphics card.

    ESO won't allow more than a medium setting for 32 bit systems because of the memory usage involved, so you might be able to set better option in there as well.

    If you had a less powerful graphics card, it would also stop the crashing as well, I don't think this would be a good option though.

    Kind regards,
    Matthew.
    Zenimax Online Team

    And the question is: If my combination of hardware is the guilty of my crashes... How is possible had been playing fine, smoothly and without a single crash before the launch of ESOTU...? Something smells rotten over there...
  • Whilhelmina
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    @buzonnewsb16_ESO You can send them the message I quoted on the previous page of this thread as I have the same problem on a 32 bit system:
    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5684846/c-application-crashes-once-it-memory-usage-reaches-1-5-gb
    This is perfectly normal under 32bit Windows.

    Unless you have the /3gb switch activated, you have a total address space of 2GB. However, that's minus the mapped executable and at least half a dozen DLL and NLS files (for "hello world" -- a real application would probably have more like a dozen or two dozen of them).

    Since they are not optimally placed, you lose about half a gigabyte of address space. The heap will not grow "into" that region, and thus allocating more than 1.5GB will fail.

    Here is what the address space of a "typical program" looks like:
    7f70B.png

    Note how very skillfully one DLL is placed at about 1/3 of the address space, effectively "cutting off" a third of the memory that you can use.

    I play with most of everything turned off, so my computer has a memory usage that cannot exceed 500 Mb when TESO is running.
    TESO hits the 2GB hard limit when it reaches a memory usage value of 1.7 GB (better than the typical program described above).
    At which point, I have still 1.8 GB of unused memory (I have 4 GB). My game options are between low and medium (with no shadows and such. I don't like shadows). The usual memory usage of TESO with my settings prior the patch was between 1.1 and 1.3 Gb. After the patch, game reaches 1.6 when hitting "play" and 1.720 a couple minutes later when it crashes.
    Yes, I monitored memory usage. It's a big problem with games on 32 bits systems and I'm used to it.

    You can answer the ticket with those data. I'm 100% sure of them and 100% sure that the memory issue was brought by the additional 500 Mb used by the game since last patch. They crushed the game compatibility with 32 bit systems with it. And it's on THEIR end. And it already happened several months ago and got stealth-fixed a week later.
  • buzonnewsb16_ESO
    Hi!

    The fourth response is here:
    Hello again,

    Yes, however, the game itself has getting more demanding recently, which is why we have dropped support for Direct X 9 recently, as well as XP. The graphics and processor requirements have been updated as well.

    You have the hardware to run the game, however, the way the system has been assembled is limiting it's performance and causing this crash due to RAM shortages.

    A graphics card this powerful really shouldn't be installed on a 32 bit system. As well as this, there is currently 4GB of RAM out of 8GB that is installed going to waste.

    The only way to resolve this will be an upgrade to a 64 bit system, or as mentioned, add a less powerful card to allow for more RAM to be available for the game. Upgrading to 64 bit will be the best option as your system then will be running on 8GB rather than 4GB, which will be plenty for everything to run a lot better.

    There may be an IT or PC specialist locally that will confirm what I have explained to you better, but this is a really inefficient system setup at the moment.

    The reason why performance is a lot lower on OpenGL is because it compensates for the lack of RAM much better than Direct X.

    Kind regards,
    Matthew.
    Zenimax Online Team

    Sorry, folks. The requirements of RAM has been raised and you can't wait to have the best graphic performance in yours 32bits systems.

    It seems that every patch raises a little more RAM requirements, and the patch 12 have reached the limit on my system. You who have cheaper video cards, are the lucky ones. By the moment...

    Fortunately, I have prepared my system to dual-boot Linux/Windows, with windows dedicated solely to the game and on a separate hard drive, so format it and install a windows 7 64bits should not be too problematic. I hope it works.

    See you.
  • Whilhelmina
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    Time to toss TESO in the trash can I suppose for me then. I don't have the cash to change my computer for a newer one to ditch XP (processor is outdated which caused 2-3 crashes per play session but could be managed) and don't plan on re-enabling the 3GB switch.
    I have a GeForce GTX 560 Ti which is good but not stellar and does its job. or did until they decided without notice to crash every 32 bit system.

    Congrats.

    Thanks for the info @buzonnewsb16_ESO, I'll wait till next week to see if they stealth-change something once more and if not I'll uninstall the game.


    EDIT:
    Found the official minimal specs:
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3312
    PC Minimum System Requirements:

    Operating System: Windows 7 32-bit
    Processor: Intel i3 or AMD 3870 generation processors or higher
    System RAM: 3GB
    Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
    GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 1GB RAM (NVidia GeForce 460 or AMD Radeon 6850)
    Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
    Internet: Internet Broadband Connection
    They removed XP (worked fine before last week) and dual cores (crashed once or twice per hour before last week, always has, no problems here).
    32 bit systems are still on minimal specs. If you change the specs, make an announcement or fix.
    Edited by Whilhelmina on July 4, 2015 6:32PM
  • buzonnewsb16_ESO
    Hi!

    Disk formatted. Windows 7 64 bits installed. Game downloaded and installed.

    It was painful, after all.

    But at last, my game runs fine again. The crash-in-a-second is gone.

    These are the news, folks. If you have a 32 bits system, look for a cheap video card or install a 64bits Windows and buy more RAM.

    I hope that my system can withstand at least the next 12 patches.

    Bye, and have a nice day. :)
  • Volkodav
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    VonL wrote: »
    /lurk

    Will we get at least an answer that you are working on that problem, that you are willing to help us play again your game etc? Because we can't play due to crashes and lags for 24 hours and no responce is given! You will perform serve maintenance for a leap second thing, but it seems that you ignore the crashes, you ignore ppl who can't play anymore!

    He is telling you two things. First off, that the issue was noticed and the thread was read, nothing less and nothing more yet. Secondly, he enjoys roleplaying the Lurker from Starcraft: Brood Wars (1999). :D

    Well,for those of us who dont know about the Lurker,that looks pretty rude.
  • darthgummibear_ESO
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    Time to toss TESO in the trash can I suppose for me then. I don't have the cash to change my computer for a newer one to ditch XP (processor is outdated which caused 2-3 crashes per play session but could be managed) and don't plan on re-enabling the 3GB switch.
    I have a GeForce GTX 560 Ti which is good but not stellar and does its job. or did until they decided without notice to crash every 32 bit system.

    Congrats.

    Thanks for the info @buzonnewsb16_ESO, I'll wait till next week to see if they stealth-change something once more and if not I'll uninstall the game.


    EDIT:
    Found the official minimal specs:
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3312
    PC Minimum System Requirements:

    Operating System: Windows 7 32-bit
    Processor: Intel i3 or AMD 3870 generation processors or higher
    System RAM: 3GB
    Hard Disk Space: 85GB free HDD space
    GPU: Direct X 11.0 compliant video card with 1GB RAM (NVidia GeForce 460 or AMD Radeon 6850)
    Sound: DirectX compatible sound card
    Internet: Internet Broadband Connection
    They removed XP (worked fine before last week) and dual cores (crashed once or twice per hour before last week, always has, no problems here).
    32 bit systems are still on minimal specs. If you change the specs, make an announcement or fix.

    Dude, nobody is supporting xp anymore. Microsoft isn't even supporting xp anymore. It's an absolute miracle it worked as long as it did for people.
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