When all the stars align - Sorcerer Burst PvP

k2blader · July 2015

Nallenil wrote: »

Funny how "glass canon" builds are not so much made out of "glass"... their shields are lead nuclear blast shields. How do you counter insane shields, raw power and disables?

Not sure if you are serious but.. assuming you are..

Not every sorc is set up (in all ways) as well as Sypher, and that includes skill.

Sometimes I think the great sorc players post their awesomeness too damn much on the forums. Makes folks think all sorcs are/can be this way, easy peasy. :-P

Lava_Croft · July 2015

Glass cannons are meant to avoid damage, not tank it with shields.

ToRelax · July 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Glass cannons are meant to avoid damage, not tank it with shields.

That doesn't even work in this game like in other games to begin with because of the charge abilites...

Septimus_Magna · July 2015

Ahzek wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna stamina sustain is the biggest reason i was assuming you used drinks since it is rather hard to fight "any decent player" player with such low stamina sustain. (Note i dont use pots so that always scews my view of things a bit)
Of course CP will sooner or later turn all of this obsolete and your racial passives help you a good deal reaching your 33k magicka while still retaining decent sustain.
About harness vs. Stam builds while it takes a while to get used to using it against stam builds is mandatory in my opinion.
Almsot all stamina builds still use a magick damage ultimate to try and finish you off (only DKs have their leap) and it also absorbs small amounts of damage from sources like enchantments, blazing shield, the burning condition, etc. .

Another thing to note is that i mostly felt like my old build was underperforming when fighting othere sorcerers. Against other classes playing your cards right and exploiting their mistakes can often give you the win, but sorcs who build for over 22k combined shields can nit be burts down that easily if they understand the slightes but of combat mechanics.
Now its still equally draining to down a decent sorc but at least i am now able to stay offensive more often than not because i can rely on my shields (17k combined with my pure spelldmg build) to not break on every curse+frag combo.

I use harness magicka when I fight stam builds but you need to pay a lot more attention to your health bar. If hardened ward is gone you can easily get bursted down because light armor actually offers less mitigation than shields. Its really annoying that magicka damage shields and physical damage shields look the same in the UI but dont absorb the same damage. Personally I would like it if they would make all shields absorb every kind of damage, this would probably require the shield of harness magicka to be reduced but would be fine with that.

Fighting against BoL sorcs is usually pointless, I cant hit them with cfrags and all my damage is absorbed by all their shields. Sometimes they can bursted down if you hit them with curse, stun them with streak, followed up with procced cfrags, mages fury and drop your ultimate.

Bashev · July 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

And I use WB on my NB....call me late to the party but I find the skill and timing required to consistently land it to be enjoyable. I also love when people still try to bash it.

You wait until you run into one of those Stamina, S&B, mace-penetrating, bash spamming builds that do 5k per bash twice per second while permablocking. You're not gonna love it so much then.

I hope you know that the mace penetration bug works only for duals and 2 handers because of the passives that these weapon lines have.

Ryuho · July 2015

Sorc is broken class.. Hope 1.7 adjust us in some fairness.. But other side I have doubts, with new perma cloak nb meta coming maybe sorc should stay as it is now..

Tankqull · July 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

@Nallenil I personally think this metas low cost / effecient abilities are to blame. Shields, hardened ward in particular could definitely be toned down. There are currently no hard counters to shields, you just have to dps, and dps fast and hard (~_~). Curios to see what the next meta brings.

@Derra this is a very unorthodox way I play my sorc, I can do the open field playstyle but I don't back away from getting in tight places with enemies, the burst potential is definitely there and deadly.

All CCs and physical attacks are perfectly fine counters against shield stackers imo.
A sorc can only break-free 2-3 times with a full stamina pool and you cant recast shields while you're CCed.

For exampel: if a stam NB ambushes>fears>wrecking blows me I have to use 2/3 of my stamina to block and break-free and my entire 14k Hardened Ward is gone. Now I have to cast healing ward and hardened ward while the NB can continue his burst draining my stamina when I need to avoid getting CCed.

I dont know how good the stamina NBs on the NA server are but most good sorcs I know on the EU server have a hard time fighting good stam NBs, especially if they have unlocked Vigor. They dodge all cfrags and they're smart enough not to come close to the mines.

You mean that you're not able to break free more than 2-3 times.
Nearly all Sorcs I fought got plenty of stamina to break every single stun while still being able to hit really hard.
Which NB is using WB? O.o

you are just mentioning the upper 2-3% of the sorc players - the others are just toast(you walk over anyway not realy recognicing them beside geting another kill for your kill sorc quest

) as they do not have any stam reg like those players...

Soulac · July 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

@Nallenil I personally think this metas low cost / effecient abilities are to blame. Shields, hardened ward in particular could definitely be toned down. There are currently no hard counters to shields, you just have to dps, and dps fast and hard (~_~). Curios to see what the next meta brings.

@Derra this is a very unorthodox way I play my sorc, I can do the open field playstyle but I don't back away from getting in tight places with enemies, the burst potential is definitely there and deadly.

All CCs and physical attacks are perfectly fine counters against shield stackers imo.
A sorc can only break-free 2-3 times with a full stamina pool and you cant recast shields while you're CCed.

For exampel: if a stam NB ambushes>fears>wrecking blows me I have to use 2/3 of my stamina to block and break-free and my entire 14k Hardened Ward is gone. Now I have to cast healing ward and hardened ward while the NB can continue his burst draining my stamina when I need to avoid getting CCed.

I dont know how good the stamina NBs on the NA server are but most good sorcs I know on the EU server have a hard time fighting good stam NBs, especially if they have unlocked Vigor. They dodge all cfrags and they're smart enough not to come close to the mines.

You mean that you're not able to break free more than 2-3 times.
Nearly all Sorcs I fought got plenty of stamina to break every single stun while still being able to hit really hard.
Which NB is using WB? O.o

you are just mentioning the upper 2-3% of the sorc players - the others are just toast(you walk over anyway not realy recognicing them beside geting another kill for your kill sorc quest ) as they do not have any stam reg like those players...

Everyone with a decent amount of CP or Bosmer as racial got enough stam Reg to break any Stun.
That doesn't need any skill or is only available to a specific amount of players.
The winners of 1v1 are mostly these ones who didn't get affected by any annoying bugs or they weren't affected by them at the wrong time.
If I run around and try to kill someone, then realize he doesn't do anything else than Shield stack or holding block, I simply ignore him. You can't drain their Stamina, not their Magicka and you can't kill them until they make a huge *** mistake or get an unbreakable stun.
Boring, just boring.