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Sorcerer bug: Crystal fragments 20% proc dmg stacks with itself
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I found out that crystal fragments 20% dmg proc stacks with itself.
Proc it 3 times and only cast the fragment after that gives a dmg increase of 72.8% instead of 20%.
Removing this bug will create even less sorc whining :-)
Proc it 3 times and only cast the fragment after that gives a dmg increase of 72.8% instead of 20%.
Removing this bug will create even less sorc whining :-)
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✭✭✭✭That's not a bug ... it's a feature <grin>Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭That's really interesting... Thanks for sharing.
There's also a bug (more like an exploit) with overload that I plan to put out there to get Zenimax's attention.
I personally don't think sorcs are overpowered. But I think there are bugs that need to be fixed.
Edit: Just tested this in game and the OP is telling the truth.Edited by Sypher on April 25, 2015 3:09PMDC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
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Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes the OP is certainly correct.
I guess thats why we see such large frag hits that should not be possible otherwise. =/
@Sypher with overload exploit you are reffering to generating ultimate with canceled heavy attacks (which is highly unreliable and pretty inefficient) or somthing worse ?Edited by Ahzek on April 25, 2015 3:26PMJo'Khaljor1 -
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✭They should keep this in the game holy crap.The Tomb of FPS Alteration Magic - Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I found out that crystal fragments 20% dmg proc stacks with itself.
Proc it 3 times and only cast the fragment after that gives a dmg increase of 72.8% instead of 20%.
Removing this bug will create even less sorc whining :-)
This is so silly, though. How much DPS do you waste trying to proc CF? Think about it. Instead of trying to "exploit" an extra 72% damage, the caster could have gained an extra 100% damage by simply casting CF twice.
Anyone who uses this exploit is probably doing their victim a favor!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭That is not as clear as you make it sound @Emma_Eunjung .
1st: In PvE you only cast frags when they procc from your standard rotaiton. If you fire them instantly you deal the basic 20% bonus dmg but you also loose out on another spell of your rotation, probably crushing shock. Thus you don't actually get 100% extra damage but 100% extra damage - your CS damage. Keeping your frag procc till the last second gives you 6 35% chances to increase the damage further. I did not do the exact math and instantly firing the frag might still result inf more DPS however its not a straigt 100% increase as you make it seem.
2nd: In PvP the meta now largely resolves around burst damage should you (in most situations) try to fire your frag in sync with your burst combo for the biggest burst for which the chance of additional frag damage is highly superior to firing a stray fragment that might even screw up your combo (missed ultimate cast for example).
Additionally many good players keep an eye out for enemie frag proccs and are prepared to use counterplay immedeatly after it proccs keeping your fragment can (but that ofc depends on your opponent) help you to throw them off guard OR allow for more pressure with the constant threat of a fragment looming over their head preventing for example a melee NB from going in with ambush.
Of course there are beneficial situations for casting fragments as soon as they come available ( finishing off a CC'd opponent that wouldnt die to anoter spell) but especially in PvP the ability to ramp up additional frag damage is quite valuable and certainly not doing your victim a favor (unless that victim then goes to the forums with their crazy frag damage recap and actually manages to get sorcs nerfed with it x_x )
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✭✭✭✭✭That is not as clear as you make it sound @Emma_Eunjung .
1st: In PvE you only cast frags when they procc from your standard rotaiton. If you fire them instantly you deal the basic 20% bonus dmg but you also loose out on another spell of your rotation, probably crushing shock. Thus you don't actually get 100% extra damage but 100% extra damage - your CS damage. Keeping your frag procc till the last second gives you 6 35% chances to increase the damage further. I did not do the exact math and instantly firing the frag might still result inf more DPS however its not a straigt 100% increase as you make it seem.
2nd: In PvP the meta now largely resolves around burst damage should you (in most situations) try to fire your frag in sync with your burst combo for the biggest burst for which the chance of additional frag damage is highly superior to firing a stray fragment that might even screw up your combo (missed ultimate cast for example).
Additionally many good players keep an eye out for enemie frag proccs and are prepared to use counterplay immedeatly after it proccs keeping your fragment can (but that ofc depends on your opponent) help you to throw them off guard OR allow for more pressure with the constant threat of a fragment looming over their head preventing for example a melee NB from going in with ambush.
Of course there are beneficial situations for casting fragments as soon as they come available ( finishing off a CC'd opponent that wouldnt die to anoter spell) but especially in PvP the ability to ramp up additional frag damage is quite valuable and certainly not doing your victim a favor (unless that victim then goes to the forums with their crazy frag damage recap and actually manages to get sorcs nerfed with it x_x )
OK, your 2nd point about PvP makes sense, but I'm still not convinced this a great tool for PvE. Maybe it's just me, but I've found that fishing for CF procs is just a distraction that makes it more likely that I'll flub my rotation at a critical moment.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
Germtrocity✭✭✭✭I was completely unaware of this bug, but I think it would be cool for zenimax to keep it in the game, seeing as they enjoy making sorcerer DPS very rng based with frag procs in the first place, it would add another layer to PvP and PvE.
It would make you have an 8 second regular rotation gamble, do you use your proc right away for an instant small DPS boost? Or do you risk getting other frag procs and gaining more damage? In PvE, the frag procs are a large part of sustain, because they are basically free DPS, and in PvP if you are approaching the 8 second timer on your frag proc, your opponent will be well aware of your frags.
I just feel as if it adds another layer of strategy in an rng based gamble, if the bug is kept in-game, but on the other hand it could be terribly overpowered, and I definitely understand fixing it.
Seeing both sides of it, I am happy with whichever way it goes, though I have not actually tested the actual frag combo stacking damage yet, will see how it goes.1 -
Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭I'd rather just throw the frag and get another instant-cast one, instead of just stacking the base damage a little bit each time. lolAlacrity
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✭✭I hope they fix this so people can stop with the crying about the super hard hitting frags.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭Oh *** my life from now on until the fix.
I already had the worst match ups agains sorcs.0 -
Valnas✭✭✭✭i've bugged this, it prexisted 1.6 as you could see frag cost reduce to near 0. The addition of the 20% dmg to it was the only change
RE: april 8th in why nirn is crazy*LINK*fix *LINK* frags, don't nerf magicka dps cause your listening to squeaky wheels who died to bugged frags
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Even non crit, they're kinda 2 legit
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bug pre-existed 1.6, and was reintroduced and bugged on PTS before live.
tooltip frag is 8662, and 9485 w/ surge up.
i guess this is the new pts now!Edited by Valnas on April 25, 2015 4:45PMFluph Head EP sorc dank magus
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Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes the OP is certainly correct.
I guess thats why we see such large frag hits that should not be possible otherwise. =/
@Sypher with overload exploit you are reffering to generating ultimate with canceled heavy attacks (which is highly unreliable and pretty inefficient) or somthing worse ?
It's much worse and can only be done with intention to take advantage of an obvious oversight.
Regarding the frags, don't try to defend this guys. Whether it's more effecient to throw the frag immediately or "save up" procs for a big hit is not relevant to the fact that this is not intended and most likely an oversight.
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Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Speaking as a sorc who relies heavily on CF procs to kill in PvP, this should be fixed. Three procs + Might of the Guild are a potential 80% damage increase. If it crits... well, that's just too much.Snit AD Sorc
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭well this explains why i hit harder when i hold a frag to time a better hit. i just thought my timing was better and thats why they get hit so hard lol.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »well this explains why i hit harder when i hold a frag to time a better hit. i just thought my timing was better and thats why they get hit so hard lol.
While some have said you lose dps by holding a long time for three, even holding it for 1 extra proc can be useful since burst dps is so important (moreso than sustain dps). I joked about this in TS a lot saying its sad that a bug is going to get sorcs nerfed and then when they fix the bug, sorcs are going to be up a creek...0 -
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The above was a past hit against mobs. My gear and cp was nothing special and I wasn't intentionally over-buffing crystal frags.
In pvp the highest crystal frag that I know that have been hit with is 18,520. The highest non crystal frags player hit I have taken is a wrecking blow at over 15,838. Both amounts silly as are spammable skills that hit for ~10k.
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ShadowStep✭✭Pixysticks wrote: »I'd rather just throw the frag and get another instant-cast one, instead of just stacking the base damage a little bit each time. lol
lol i see what ur doing now..Come At me Bruh
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