hamon wrote: »

its not rocket science you just tweak, adjust the numbers so they come into line... i,m not asking for removals of whole skills etc... just simple tweaks... adjust base cost of skills. or base damage , or change shields to stack from HP same as on temps.... small tweaks ,, not big smashes of the nerf hammer.

The fact you think shields scaling off HP is not a swing of the nerf, shows either ignorance or hidden intent.

I do find it hilarious that we want to apply the same nerfs to Sorc that we applied to Templars and DKs which currently make them worse Magicka builds than Stamina builds.

God forbdid anyone plays magicka. Everybody should be stamina right?

I'll say it for the millionth time. All Wards should scale off Max Magicka. NONE of them, should scale off HP.

My suggestion (which I have /feedback ed to ZOS) is to limit Damage Shield Capacity to 100% of the caster's HP. This does nothing to change shield stacking other than put an upper limit on it that is based on HP.
i.e. Someone with 9k HP can get up to a 9k shield, while someone with 15k HP can get up to a 15k shield. These shields can be single or composite, but the total value of the shield does not exceed 100% of the caster's HP.

How might this help? Some shields scale off of an offensive stat (Magicka/Stamina), making stacking one resource the best route for min/maxing. This creates builds with very high damage shields, very high damage, and very little HP. The most common suggestion to fixing this is reducing the effectiveness of damage shields: this harms the non min/maxed builds greatly, as they depend on a single shield for survival. Reducing the powerful shields to something smaller would remove said builds' only defense (This is primarily a PvE issue). By limiting damage shield capacity to the caster's max HP, the shields some depend on are not reduced while reducing the effectiveness of shield stacking. The most commonly cited build is pure magicka -- these builds often have 9 - 12k HP. This suggestion, if implemented, would require said builds to reallocate points into HP to increase the amount of shields possible. As all stats have been put into one stat, Magicka in this instance, the points would have to come from that stat, reducing total offensive power.

tl;dr Capping damage shield capacity at the caster's max health makes builds using shields based off offensive stats have to choose between offense and defense rather than get both in one choice. It also does not require reducing shields' effectiveness so full-light, non shield stacking players are not robbed of their only defense.

Sorcs are strong yes. Wouldn't necessarily say OP. After what happened to my beloved magicka DK, i'd rather they stopped nerfing everything, and started buffing instead. One class is too strong? buff the others. People get to keep their favourite toys, others get new toys, everyone is happy !

Instead of the current system : here you have a crappy class, i'll take your foes' toys away so that he feels miserable as well.

Frawr wrote: »

Guys,

My average dk can crit for 27k with wrecking blow. My average sorc has 20k HP and 14k shield.

NB ambush, light and wrecking can kill My sorc before I can break the stun.


Shields can be critted. Only with I immovable pots does my sorc stand a chance vs ganking nbs and only if it is already running when the ambush comes.


You nerf whiners have been ruining games for over 10 years now. Stop crying over sorc and learn to play.

where were you when the sorcs spend most of last year whining for DK's to get nerfed? i guess that was ok tho eh....

hamon wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

Guys,

My average dk can crit for 27k with wrecking blow. My average sorc has 20k HP and 14k shield.

NB ambush, light and wrecking can kill My sorc before I can break the stun.


Shields can be critted. Only with I immovable pots does my sorc stand a chance vs ganking nbs and only if it is already running when the ambush comes.


You nerf whiners have been ruining games for over 10 years now. Stop crying over sorc and learn to play.

where were you when the sorcs spend most of last year whining for DK's to get nerfed? i guess that was ok tho eh....

Only idiots asked for nerfs to DKs, when the obvious issues were ultimate generation through DoTs and the stamina cost of blocking in light armor with S&B.

DK skills were absolutely fine.

Artemiisia wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

And again OP of these threads only think of PVP..................

DKs had a year in PVP and in PVE as the masters, now its only PVE so I welcome the change for once

ye cos 2 wrongs make a right ? so what then we have a year of nb's being crazy op , then a year of templars in 2017? thats a great idea.

no, that means they finally getting closer to making every class balanced, the closet they have ever been, but in the end there will always be whiners that comes to the forums after they die

they are finnally getting closer in that the other 3 seem reasonably close ,, just bring sorcs into line and they are there... but hey even tho you are a sorc ,, i,m sure your all about objectivity eh

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Don't nerf Sorcerers... just bring other Specs (Stamina for example) in line with shielding and excape mechanics. Ok the shielding may be nerfed a bit though.

Stamina already has escape mechanics and burst on a par with sorcs. If anything, magicka builds (sorcs excluded) need buffs.

Stamina needs no buffs at the moment. If stamina needs buffs, magicka Sorcs need buffs too. It's equally ridiculous a statement.

what escape mechanics are built into stamina? are you refering to break free and roll dodge? i dont think thats the same .. evading a single attack using dodge roll is hardly the same as fleeing from an entire army using bolt escape, ..

Dekkameron wrote: »

The only sorc i have is a bow/dual wield... I don't think it's OP....

Stamina sorc is a different animal entirely. It's the magicka-scaled shield doing you in.

hamon wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Don't nerf Sorcerers... just bring other Specs (Stamina for example) in line with shielding and excape mechanics. Ok the shielding may be nerfed a bit though.

Stamina already has escape mechanics and burst on a par with sorcs. If anything, magicka builds (sorcs excluded) need buffs.

Stamina needs no buffs at the moment. If stamina needs buffs, magicka Sorcs need buffs too. It's equally ridiculous a statement.

what escape mechanics are built into stamina? are you refering to break free and roll dodge? i dont think thats the same .. evading a single attack using dodge roll is hardly the same as fleeing from an entire army using bolt escape, ..

You don't evade a single attack with a roll dodge, you evade every attack. It's an escape alright, whether you like it or not.

You think that's not part of the reason nearly every DK is stamina is 1.6? What escape does magicka DK or Templar have compared to stamina, tell me? AND they have inferior damage as magicka builds to stamina builds of the same class.

How could you leave out Overload light attacks hitting for 13k?

What is the problem with changing all shields scaling with health?
This would force us looking for a compromise if we want to stack shields.