Sorcerers. It's time to gut them.

Vahrokh · April 2015

akredon_ESO wrote: »

I would like to learn How does one counter bolt escape ? because i have Stunned folks. they break it and then spam the utter *** out of bolt escape and i have no way of stopping them or catching them. The skill has the most mobility in the game and There's no way to stop someone when they are gone

Imagine playing WoW, that is not exactly THE skillful game. There - like in most MMOs, mages can bolt around.
Meleers use gap closers and similar to get to them. But in WoW, mages can also cast real shields on them, can unstun (twice, if undead if I recall correctly) AND can root AND can slow down. At least this is how I played my mage in there.

If warriors etc. they still PvP in WoW with that much more CC given to mages, it's possible in ESO.

Durham · April 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

It's not only Sorcerers, it's still Dragonknights too. Their Green Dragon Blood is a better heal than the Templar heal (go figure).

Lol no you are crazy ... You might get a 8k heal if you are almost dead lol.... If you are in PvP dropping below 30% is suicide lol.... DKs dragon blood is extreamily overrated I hardly use it these days....dragon blood is inferior to Templar heals....

I can be at 30% health then Green dragon blood to 60% health for about 3800k magicka .... Then hit it again to 70% health then again to 80% health... That's 13k magicka which most of us no longer run ... A dragon knight that spams gdb is a dead one....

MisterBigglesworth · April 2015

Make one of the Bolt Escape morphs a targeted area spell called "Grounding Totem". It would have a 10m radius and an extremely obvious visual of a giant electrified totem. Any Sorc who Bolt escapes within its radius will have it completely short-circuit, draining all their Magicka. The fact that its a BE morph means a Sorc cannot have both Grounding Totem and Bolt Escape.

7788b14_ESO · April 2015

PvP nerf crys have really hurt this game, especially in PvE. A great game, how sad...

Paulington · April 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

13.4k shards is a crit damage that requires the opponent to have zero resistance, zero defense, no block nothing. I am glass cannon PvE spec with gold min maxed gear and do about that damage against VR 10 soft NPCs in Reaper's March.

It can crit much higher than that. I regularly see Crystal Fragment crits for 18-20k in vDSA and when using Might of the Guild have even hit 25k Crystal Fragments crits also in vDSA. Even in Cyrodiil I often see 15-20k Crystal Fragment crits against enemy players. I have ~52% crit so these numbers come up more often than not too, I think my average Crystal Fragments damage is around 15k as my non-crit damage easily hits 11k.

I'd check your build if it is only critting for 13.4k.

SteveCampsOut · April 2015

bg22 wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Sorcs are out of control... The shields are insane. The magicka never ends somehow. I've fought several today where I dealt 0 dps the entire fight.

I also watched an entire zerg chase a sorc for over 5 minutes across the map never to drop him below 90% health.

Sorcs corny. No way around it.

If that is true, sounds like Sorcs need some balance changes.

Oh my, an entire zerg chasing one Sorcerer? Sounds anecdotal to the point of being a fairy tale to me.

You play a sorc... Of course everything that actually happens "sounds like a fairy tale to you".

You'll scream that you're balanced, just as the DK's did at launch.

But, you'll eventually get nerf, just as they did. So, enjoy it now. you'll eventually have to learn to play like every other class.

Actually, I play all four classes on 16 alts between NA and EU servers. I don't scream for balance or Nerfs for any of them! I'm not a whiny child! So Try to peg me again why don't you? I'm currently owning as a NB on both servers!

Robo_Hobo · April 2015

They should have a restriction placed on accounts that die in PvP, something to not allow them to post on the forums for the next 20 minutes or so to prevent deathrage threads.

I don't know if this was made because of that but it did remind me of the idea, so many hate posts could be prevented if people took some deep breaths and had some time to think instead of letting their anger out into ragethreads.

SafiyerAmitora · April 2015

*sigh* Not another one of these...

I play nb and dk, but I defend sorcs in that since their class heals are quite poor, they deserve an OP shield, and their BE needs to be left alone. They're getting nerfed far too much as it is. Each class has their own op abilities; let sorcs have theirs.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · April 2015

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

my sorc does not have unlimited magika. I have only one shield that I use sparingly and bolt escape is a massive magika drain.

Save your anecdotes. Come back when you've experience the game.

I am guessing that you need to experience the game. I have played well over a year now and have killed and been killed by sorcs.

Also none of what I originally mentioned was in the least bit anecdotal it was in fact just the plain simple truth of the matter.

Actually what you said is the very definition of an anecdote. Look it up.

Take your forum PVP to the PVP forum where it belongs.

Kruseid · April 2015

I'd say sorc shields are -slightly- OP. That said, I personally had a majorly fun time against a sorc in a delve today.

It was their light armor sorc and their templar friend vs my nightblade tank and my templar healing ally.

My friend went down first, then theirs did.

After that, it was a long, but incredibly fun battle between my tank and their resources. We were so evenly matched, we eventually stopped attacking each other for awhile and laughed, bowed...and then his friend showed up and I went down.

I do think the shields are too much, but from a tank perspective, the concept works well. Since Light Armor is so much weaker than Heavy, they need SOME way to be somewhat tanky. It just needs some adjustment.

Kronosphere · April 2015

i do think bolt escape needs to be completely remade. ive literally only fought 1 sorc who used it right to FIGHT me (not run away as soon as the odds seem less than sure). it also is annoying they can run over terain and u cant use any other non ult dash in the game to gap close that. the ability only adds frustration and rarely adds to the game imo. ill fight a dk over a sorc anyday. major defile a dk. u cant do alot to a sorc if he wants to run

Zhoyzu · April 2015

i agree with shield problems sorta kinda but idk really. and bolt escape is fine. its your fault you go full potato and chase a sorc who only wants to escape.

That is a learn to play issue.

WhiskyBob · April 2015

Sorc is not a problem. His skills are not a problem. Spell penetration is a problem. If my DK tank with over 30k spell resistance gets smacked for 19k from a shard - something is not right.

For bolt escape i have critical charge and Petrify. For shields - wrecking blow but something is not quite working with the spell penetration.

Kronosphere · April 2015

Zhoyzu wrote: »

i agree with shield problems sorta kinda but idk really. and bolt escape is fine. its your fault you go full potato and chase a sorc who only wants to escape.

That is a learn to play issue.

the spell is anti fun. someone doesnt get a kill they deserved, has a crap time cuz the sorc runs away. the person running away is also not having a fun time, as they just got whooped so they too are not happy. it is a toxic skill in my oppinion.

i think if you could get on a mount during combat it would probably be alot more balanced. alternatively. it could be targeted. say a 0-whatever its blink distance is metre skill. but u need a target. HOWEVER u always jump the same distance. eg if u are 28(?)metres away and aim at someone, u jump onto them. if they are ontop of u and you activate it, you still jump 28 metres. u could still kite, but u cant spam it without a target. there fixed your skill zos and it wasnt even hard;)

Moonshadow66 · April 2015

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

The monumental movement of vocal sorcerers screaming in defense of their blatantly overpowered class is only trumped by ZOS's vast gullibility in believing them.

More accurately, two of their abilities.

1. Shield spam. Unlimited magicka = unlimited shields = unlimited health.
2. Bolt escape. Yeah...bolt escape.

I have no issue with their burst potential, as I feel they should be capable of such.

ZOS. Play your game. Purge your inept staff. Balance this fiasco.

My 2 VR14 chars are sorcs - I don't use the spells you mentioned. I never used that shield (was not even slotted once), and I just tried Bolt Escape which I removed from the skill bar not long after.

I'm also not one of these sorcs which said they were nerfed in the last update (or before?). I still think it's good as it is or as it was, which means for me: even without these skills.

I'm playing all 4 classes, and I couldn't say one class would be stronger than the other; they are just different.

Laggus · April 2015

Or nerf jesus beam from templars, cloak from NBs and scales from DKs while you're at it. Each classes has strengths and weaknesses, learn them and find a way to counter them. Clearly a L2P issue, the classes are more balanced than in 1.5 imo.

They did nerf DKs scales! Just saying.

Also the constant use of BE is extremely frustrating to counter even when you know what you are doing. Its not a L2P issue when you have no choice to use up your resources just to get to them to attempt a CC. Personally if I am fighting a Sorcerer that BE's more than 3 times in a row I leave em to it.

Shields are OP and any truthful Sorcerer will tell you that. Not that i'm expecting anybody whose main is a Sorcerer to reply here truthfully that they need to be nerfed. If a Sorcerer chooses to bug out of a fight they simply can. NBs can too with stealthing in combat.

Yup, Templars have their heals and Jesus Beams (which are OP btw) and DKs have GDB and Scales but that comes with no choice but to stay in the fight and no get out of Dodge moves.

byrom101b16_ESO · April 2015

Laggus wrote: »

Or nerf jesus beam from templars, cloak from NBs and scales from DKs while you're at it. Each classes has strengths and weaknesses, learn them and find a way to counter them. Clearly a L2P issue, the classes are more balanced than in 1.5 imo.

They did nerf DKs scales! Just saying.

They nerfed Bolt Escape too - just sayin'

byrom101b16_ESO · April 2015

Cannot be bothered to refute the 25K myth with details, except to say it's a myth...

jelliedsoup · April 2015

Whoever thinks sorcs aren't op are sorcs who think they'r e skilled.

Valymer · April 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Whoever thinks sorcs aren't op are sorcs who think they'r e skilled.

Where does that put dragonknights then?

Iago · April 2015

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Whoever thinks sorcs aren't op are sorcs who think they'r e skilled.

whoever thinks specs are op are players who have never played a sorc.

Malmai · April 2015

Stop whining please...

TheShadowScout · April 2015

I see postings of the "nerf sorcerors" flavor and I see postings of the "oh, noes, sorcerors are the worst now" flavor. The balance of the two tells me the sorcerors are doing fine... which is also what I experience playing my sorcs. Some advantages, some disadvantages... generally doing better then my nightblades, worse then my templars... -shrugs- I have fun with all of them.

Kas · April 2015

Iago wrote: »

my sorc does not have unlimited magika. I have only one shield that I use sparingly and bolt escape is a massive magika drain.

then you should switch builds if you want to abuse, uhm play, your char to the fullest

Cathrin · April 2015

The only solutions are:
- Getting rid of all classes in the game and make every skill available for every character.
- Make the skills work differently in PVP

I think only the first one will stop all the whining.

nothing2591 · April 2015

leave all classes alone , k thx

Nysticc · April 2015

Its as simple as this, Harness Magicka... as long as the is magicka user the sorc will have a constant supply of magicka.
If the devs put a cap on harness look at the difference it will make.

Seth_Black · April 2015

Bfish22090 wrote: »

PvP sorcs are op, however dks are more op

LOL!
...but only in huge groups maybe

DKs suck, weakest PvP class since update 6
My NB is farming AP on DKs

Faharrah · April 2015

"Nerf rogues!"..."No, nerf warlocks!" Sorry, for a minute I thought I was back in WoW...

Vahrokh · April 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Its as simple as this, Harness Magicka... as long as the is magicka user the sorc will have a constant supply of magicka.
If the devs put a cap on harness look at the difference it will make.

Yeah, 6 months spent at removing all caps from the game and the best new idea now is to introduce a cap!