This is why your daily system is garbage compared to tokens and a vendor

Daverios · November 2014

Sure this item is only V3 so it is kind of garbage anyway. Best let us examine what was done to receive such a polished turd.

I picked up the Vet Pledge Daily. Looked at the zone chat and laughed at the amount of people LFG as DPS. Knowing I am good at healing or DPS, but also knowing that healing as a V3 would yield me no exp unless I ensured no one in group out ranked me too much. I set about to make my own group. I started asking for tanks in guild and found a VR14 Tank needing it. Great well that means I cannot heal so I set about the task of looking for a V9+ Healer as I did not want to be a rude person and set up someone to get no exp. No hits in guilds, so I turned to zone chat and finally found a V12(?) Templar willing to heal. Only one more spot to go so I just shouting in zone chat for LF1M DPS VET Pledge - NO BOWS! ( Yeah sorry those are still uber gimped and last two bow players I tried were a joke as DPS. No joke - pun intended).

Finally had my group ready. VR14 Tank, VR 12 Healer, VR14 DPS DK, and myself as V3 sorc. Set the instance to V3 and pretty much walked through it. No wipes but a few deaths ... all battle ressed by the Templar healer very fast. I died once when the holy light boss hit me for 2400+, ate right through my shield(s) and HP bar. Didn't see a telegraph but whatever, was ressed right up.

Finished the instance and went back to claim my reward for a job well done and effort put in on my part setting everything up and leading a happy group. I handed in my quest for a random key. I was awarded with gold ... I was not too excited at that point cause hey this is ESO after all. I went to the gold chest to receive my random reward generated with apparently random stats, trait, and yes what appears to be random set bonus.

This garbage is what I was rewarded with. Any light armor stamina users out there running a gimped build no one would want? About the only person who would use such an item.

http://imgur.com/sk1502l

Seriously I would have preferred one Elegant Lining. As basically all I can do is deconstruct this mess with wait .. yet another random chance at a goody.

Do you honestly believe that your paying customers want a chance of receiving a random of a random of a random thing with random traits and possibly with a slim chance in hell receive something they might actually use? No seriously, I would love for ZOS to attempt an answer to this.

You need to scrap this system ASAP and replace it with tokens and a vendor that I can work towards during my VET levels. I DO NOT want garbage items and neither does anyone else in their right mind. I want to start earning tokens now so when I get to the higher vet levels I can purchase the set I want with the stats I want. Basically I want to 'Play how you want' and not as you feel fit to dole out in meager weak rewards and poorly thought out systems. This will not keep people subscribing as it currently is. Replace it with tokens and people will re sub I guarantee it.

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nerevarine1138 · November 2014

Random rewards for a daily quest? Horror.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · November 2014

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

Daverios · November 2014

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

If you ask me this is the kind of thing I would expect in a free to play game. Random of random of random goodies.

Anyone else agree?

someuser · November 2014

Daverios wrote: »

...so I just shouting in zone chat for LF1M DPS VET Pledge - NO BOWS! ( Yeah sorry those are still uber gimped and last two bow players I tried were a joke as DPS. No joke - pun intended).

I use poison arrow and snipe (rest skills from mage's guild/class abilities) and I can usually do a better job than most other random pug players (I'm by no means a min/maxer). I don't think the bow is weak at all. I think you shouldn't let a couple bad players turn you off towards bow dps'ers when it comes to silly things like doing dailies.

nerevarine1138 · November 2014

Daverios wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

If you ask me this is the kind of thing I would expect in a free to play game. Random of random of random goodies.

Anyone else agree?

No.

If the rewards weren't random, then everyone would be fully geared in less than a week, which would be stupid.

Daverios · November 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

If you ask me this is the kind of thing I would expect in a free to play game. Random of random of random goodies.

Anyone else agree?

No.

If the rewards weren't random, then everyone would be fully geared in less than a week, which would be stupid.

You obviously do not understand how a gated system works. No they would not. ZOS could control exactly how fast it took to gear. Stuff would not cost 5 tokens it would cost 10+ or more earning one a day per pledge maybe.

It is not like this is a new concept. Have you not played any recent games?

nerevarine1138 · November 2014

Daverios wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

If you ask me this is the kind of thing I would expect in a free to play game. Random of random of random goodies.

Anyone else agree?

No.

If the rewards weren't random, then everyone would be fully geared in less than a week, which would be stupid.

You obviously do not understand how a gated system works. No they would not. ZOS could control exactly how fast it took to gear. Stuff would not cost 5 tokens it would cost 10+ or more earning one a day per pledge maybe.

It is not like this is a new concept. Have you not played any recent games?

I sure have, and I still hate token systems for dailies.

Do the dailies. Don't do the dailies. But please don't just make this game more like WoW.

Daverios · November 2014

someuser wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

...so I just shouting in zone chat for LF1M DPS VET Pledge - NO BOWS! ( Yeah sorry those are still uber gimped and last two bow players I tried were a joke as DPS. No joke - pun intended).

I use poison arrow and snipe (rest skills from mage's guild/class abilities) and I can usually do a better job than most other random pug players (I'm by no means a min/maxer). I don't think the bow is weak at all. I think you shouldn't let a couple bad players turn you off towards bow dps'ers when it comes to silly things like doing dailies.

Like I said, bad experiences last 2 days. I tried em and both were to put it nicley sub-par. I do not doubt the right player can do it well but was not willing to gamble with a random again today. It worked out for the best with the DK anyway.

Xjcon · November 2014

Did you honestly expect to get the best of the best gear running a vet dungeon at lvl v3?

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Daverios · November 2014

Xjcon wrote: »

Did you honestly expect to get the best of the best gear running a vet dungeon at lvl v3?

No i merely expect I could start earning towards a reward. I expected a reason to keep my sub active while earning towards said reward. And it is not the best of best loot anyway there friend. As it is it is pretty useless for me to put in any effort. Even if and that a huge mother of and if I got something good it would only be out leveled. So what is the point? There isn't one and THAT is the point I am trying to make.

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babylon · November 2014

Better than the solo player endgame, which is swap a stack of refined mats for a couple white items, 2 emeralds and a ruby.

Daverios · November 2014

babylon wrote: »

Better than the solo player endgame, which is swap a stack of refined mats for a couple white items, 2 emeralds and a ruby.

Yes not a fan of that either. But that is another conversation entirely.

I lol'd at the rewards after like 6 attempts and have not done it since.

Xjcon · November 2014

I was not insulting you. I am saving my keys till I get to VR14. I know it's not the best. But I have been having fun being able to find groups. Random means we have to run them for awhile.

someuser · November 2014

In all fairness, I do agree with the OP in RE: worthless rewards.

I don't think awesome loot should drop every time (or anywhere near) but atleast give things somewhat useful... or move to a system in which you can earn points and than spend said points at a market (like the point system in SWTOR where you would take those points/tokens and trade them in for gear that you need/want).

The bottom line is this: you got to motivate players to do dailies or they will stop doing em and you will have a worthless mechanic that no one uses (like the group finder tool). What happens when most players level the undaunted skill line / new passives? Does anyone really think, long term, anyone is going to be motivated to form a group manually, run said dungeon(s), only to get junk that, at best, can be deconstructed?

I know I wont

nerevarine1138 · November 2014

babylon wrote: »

Better than the solo player endgame, which is swap a stack of refined mats for a couple white items, 2 emeralds and a ruby.

Or, you know, a stack of nirncrux.

Why do people always expect to get rewarded for nothing and then whine about a lack of things to do?

babylon · November 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Better than the solo player endgame, which is swap a stack of refined mats for a couple white items, 2 emeralds and a ruby.

Or, you know, a stack of nirncrux.

Why do people always expect to get rewarded for nothing and then whine about a lack of things to do?

Well good thing there are suckers like you willing to do these quests and get all that cheap nirncrux on the market for us. Cheers!

Xjcon · November 2014

They gave people a reason to play dungeons. Other then the one time skill point quest. I think if they refine the rewards per difficulty it would make for a good start.

Daverios · November 2014

Xjcon wrote: »

They gave people a reason to play dungeons. Other then the one time skill point quest. I think if they refine the rewards per difficulty it would make for a good start.

Not really. If you read the post you would see I am the person who goes out and forms groups ... positive happy groups that is what helps to keep ZOS's paying people well paying by proxy. However instead of being motivated to do more of this I am instead on the forums saying how trashy it is ... not keeping people positive and happy. What about the next guy down the line and the next and so on.

If people like me are not motivated to put in the effort and get some of these positive happy groups going then what are you left with screwed up random PUGs and a ton of DPS shouting LFG? Yes I am sure that one will rake in the $$$ for ZOS. Everything I have written is in their own monetary best interest both personally and as a business. And I can be pretty sure that it will be read higher up then you would care to believe.

Think I am just being a ***? (and this goes for you at ZOS too). Come play with me an evening run some instances even though it is useless to me except random decon loot I like to have fun ... bet you walk away with a positive group experience. I am both social, skilled and well fun to be around. The person that helps anyone asking and gives out free stuff or advise/knowledge and is generally what MMO players are suppose to be like. I do not run group where players do not talk or worse yet B and moan at each other like we have all seen.

ZOS_PierreL · November 2014

Hello everyone,

We would like to inform you that we appreciate every feedback and opinion that you can give but we would request to provide them in a structured and non-aggressive way.

Also, if you could stay polite between each other to avoid any overflow and prevent closure of the subject, it would be nice.

Thank you.

Daverios · November 2014

ZOS_PierreL wrote: »

Hello everyone,

We would like to inform you that we appreciate every feedback and opinion that you can give but we would request to provide them in a structured and non-aggressive way.

Also, if you could stay polite between each other to avoid any overflow and prevent closure of the subject, it would be nice.

Thank you.

If you could go ahead and remove the comments that do not contribute that would be great.

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akalabethb14_ESO · November 2014

Daverios wrote: »

ZOS_PierreL wrote: »

Hello everyone,

We would like to inform you that we appreciate every feedback and opinion that you can give but we would request to provide them in a structured and non-aggressive way.

Also, if you could stay polite between each other to avoid any overflow and prevent closure of the subject, it would be nice.

Thank you.

If you could go ahead and remove the comments that do not contribute that would be great.

You do understand this is a game... right? You play to have fun.

I think that the rewards should be tweaked a bit. Sure. Getting livid over crap items as a vr3 is a bit lol-worthy.

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TehMagnus · November 2014

Just run it again tomorow and hope for a better result or do it with an alt!

Daverios · November 2014

magnusnet wrote: »

Just run it again tomorow and hope for a better result or do it with an alt!

No thanks. Not motivated to do so, how is that NOT obvious or did you not read and just hit reply? In fact not even logging back in until 1.5.3, it is kinds of a waste to do so while exp is gimped to high heaven.

Duccea · November 2014

I do like the concept of earning keys to open chests which contain rewards and having better keys to get better rewards. However, right now, the rewards are sometimes also quite underwhelming, everything but a gold key isn't really worth the effort it takes to get them.

And of course, with the loot from the chests being more or less random, it can take you a long time to get items which are actually of use to you. At the same time though, I like the idea of getting certain items by luck of roll only - I'm especially referring to the parts of the 2-item sets.

My favourite approach would probably be a mix of a token system and the system how it currently is: Keep the key and chests, and keep some of the items exclusive to those chest, but at the same time add a token vendor who offers certain other sets for sale in exchange for tokens.
When you open the chest, you get a token and also a chance at getting one of the chest-unique items.

This allows for people to grind towards getting some endgame gear they want on one side, and on the other side still offers the chance to get something special if you are lucky. If you then get something you can't use for your build - not much harm done since you still at least got a token for purchasing gear you want to use.

Cherryblossom · November 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

If you ask me this is the kind of thing I would expect in a free to play game. Random of random of random goodies.

Anyone else agree?

No.

If the rewards weren't random, then everyone would be fully geared in less than a week, which would be stupid.

Depends if they put some inteligence behind the system. Takes so many tokens to buy a certain piece of gear, can only earn so many tokens a week.

This would mean only those that were running these every day would get these full sets in a couple of months.

Haxnschwammer · November 2014

Interesting to read....
But when we read your postings we see: Because of your low
level you didn't want to join other groups. Because of your low level you
instantly skipped the healer role. Because of your prejudice you
blocked all bow users.
You claim to be social? You claim to care for other peoples fun?
The only thing I can see is a player that only cares of his own rewards.

From my experience, the rewards from the pledges are random. You win, you loose.
I got trash, I got a purple. So what? It's not like you need special items
to be succesfull. Actual player skills are far more important. Still today
with Vet14 I have a Vet8 Set because there was no need to replace it.
And as long I don't fight for seconds in trials that probably won't change.

And a last message for all undaunted:
Looking for a group member? If you see me (Main: Filia Sartori on EU), ask me for
tips, help, anything. If you're nice I craft something for you, and I have
always buff food and potions to share.
And I give a [snip] on your level or class as long you a part of the team.

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AlnilamE · November 2014

I'm not sure I should be arguing with someone who sloshes around in the skeleton costume...

I run the dungeons for fun, so I don't particularly care about the loot (other than the soul gems. Always want soul gems).

But the loot is bind on equip, so you can trade it with someone else who has a set that is more suitable for you. Or you can put it for sale.

I'm not opposed to a mixed loot/token system, but token exclusive would be discouraging for people who like loot.

Something like Cyrodiil, where you get the "rewards for the worthy" and also AP that you can use to purchase elite gear would be ok.

Daverios · November 2014

Saving currency up to buy an item in a RPG game, instead of a random lotto.

What a concept!

akalabethb14_ESO · November 2014

Daverios wrote: »

Saving currency up to buy an item in a RPG game, instead of a random lotto.

What a concept!

Either is a viable way of handling a loot system...

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · November 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah... they made that set as follows= on the Light armor one they put the Stamina stuff on it and put the Magicka stuff on the Medium armor, I guess they want us to go Hybrid instead of putting it the other way..

Kinda not so intelligent..

ZOS get with the program already,

Magicka stuff on light armor, Stamina stuff on medium armor..

Hello... people don't want to go Hybrid and be gimped...

If you ask me this is the kind of thing I would expect in a free to play game. Random of random of random goodies.

Anyone else agree?

No.

If the rewards weren't random, then everyone would be fully geared in less than a week, which would be stupid.

You obviously do not understand how a gated system works. No they would not. ZOS could control exactly how fast it took to gear. Stuff would not cost 5 tokens it would cost 10+ or more earning one a day per pledge maybe.

It is not like this is a new concept. Have you not played any recent games?

I sure have, and I still hate token systems for dailies.

Do the dailies. Don't do the dailies. But please don't just make this game more like WoW.

LOL, yet another mindless WOW jibe.

YOU may hate token systems and enjoy wasting time when the RNG gives you nothing of use, many other prefer token systems that mean, even if it takes a long time, every run you do is progress towards a final goal, you're not dependent on RNG.