What's happened to stealth?!

GrimMauKin · September 2014

I don't know what's happened to crouched stealth since the last patch, but I'm getting detected far more easily; it's as if by stealth radius had dropped away. I've got a lot of skills points tied up in stealth passives. I don't know if this is a deliberate weakening of stealth or more bugs; there are a lot of passives that you have to take on trust are actually working and since my slotted Concealed Weapon has lost it's passive ability to increase stealth speed I'm wondering if other stealth passives are broken.

Shadow Cloak still seems to be working but does seem to break far more easily; my Nightblade suddenly feels a whole lot more vulnerable.

Tavore1138 · September 2014

Something is off, I was sneaking around with the mrs last night, she is a sorc with no stealth passives wheras I am running full medium armour passives plus the nightshade set which further reduces detection radius. In pve the eye opened at the same point for both of us.

That does imply they may have broken something in the radius reduction area as well as breaking stealth speed.

I didn't have the heart to play much though, just so disappointed in getting unintentional nerfs to such key parts of my build and play style.

CapuchinSeven · September 2014

Yup, it's totally bork'd.

Every damn patch, something that shouldn't be in live, makes it into live.

Last night while crouching I'd keep moving between detected and hidden, over and over, every time I tried to crouch.

Cloak is also broken and while just about manageable, is really frustrating.

kijima · September 2014

It's ESO.

They release a new update and it breaks everything, so you have to wait a week till they fix the new release.

I'm not falling for that again, 1 week off. It saves me from going batcrap crazy.

seneferab16_ESO · September 2014

kijima wrote: »

I'm not falling for that again, 1 week off. It saves me from going batcrap crazy.

Sounds like a plan.
Next time ESO release a new patch, I'll just go play something else for a week or two.

GwaynLoki · September 2014

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Yup, it's totally bork'd.

Every damn patch, something that shouldn't be in live, makes it into live.

Last night while crouching I'd keep moving between detected and hidden, over and over, every time I tried to crouch.

Cloak is also broken and while just about manageable, is really frustrating.

That's not a new one, I have had that before in PvP. Ofc I thought there was someone close to me, so I just went elsewhere and used Mage Light. My stealth was "pulsing" on and off in precise time intervals.

raglau · September 2014

Stealth is broken, defacto. My NB Khajit can't even get near enough to feed without being detected.

lathbury · September 2014

They "fixed" it now looking forward to the werewolf fix

GrimMauKin · September 2014

Well it's a real bind for me at the moment and really making things difficult. Hopefully it will get sorted quickly.

I've only built one character, my VT5 Nightblade and, besides this being the character I wanted, I don't have the heart to start over again.

raglau · September 2014

GrimMauKin wrote: »

Well it's a real bind for me at the moment and really making things difficult. Hopefully it will get sorted quickly.

I've only built one character, my VT5 Nightblade and, besides this being the character I wanted, I don't have the heart to start over again.

Same as me, a VR6 NB, only char, and ZOS make the NB possess the same stealth as a non-stealth class. I am sure it's by error but one does wonder when the class-trashing errors will stop.

It's a great game but I would not start again with another char, I would simply move onto something else and wait to read that the game was more stable before coming back.

GrimMauKin · September 2014

I've got a shed load of skills points tied up in all the stealth passives, all of which seem currently to be wasted (Shadow Cloak's partially furbarred too); this has got to be fixed as a priority or I think it will drive people away.

kitsinni · September 2014

It is a known issue .. let me rephrase everyone playing the game knows about it .. but ZOS refuses to acknowledge it. All of the passives that help with stealth detection also do nothing.

On the other hand mention something about a staff looking funny and they will be on it with a hotfix in hours.

Palidon · September 2014

Same here and I think the Medium Armor Improved Sneak Passive is now broken as well as is Shadow Cloak. I am being detected now in areas where I was never detected before and I wear a full set of Medium Armor. In addition the Suprise Attack Nightblade skill is putting out less damage. I for one like many others are sick and tired of this. Every time a new major update comes out walla Nightblade skills are broken or those abilities that Nightblades rely on to accomplish there tasks. To wait for a new patch is completely unsatisfactory in my opinion this issue should be fixed immediately.

Mission · September 2014

I was doing a quest that required a costume the other day and got detected by npcs on the quest that weren't holding a torch also. So they may have even broken that.

heavy_artillery · September 2014

And there was a problem with Stam-based builds/skills before the patch. Now playing my NB is kind of a joke. I have been experiencing the broken stealth detection on every character since this week's Update

GrimMauKin · September 2014

I'm even getting detected from some distance when approaching from the rear with no line of sight. I've got all available stealth passives and I'm doubting that any are currently doing anything but wasting skills point.

If stealth isn't going to be fixed then, at the very least, we need a re-spec option for stealth skills.

raglau · September 2014

Mission wrote: »

I was doing a quest that required a costume the other day and got detected by npcs on the quest that weren't holding a torch also. So they may have even broken that.

Agreed. I am now detected when using a disguise. Whatever the overarching detection mechanism is in the game, it's broken since this patch.

Palidon · September 2014

GrimMauKin wrote: »

I'm even getting detected from some distance when approaching from the rear with no line of sight. I've got all available stealth passives and I'm doubting that any are currently doing anything but wasting skills point.

If stealth isn't going to be fixed then, at the very least, we need a re-spec option for stealth skills.

This issue needs to be fixed and fixed now. Not fixed at a later date. ZOS come out with a hotfix immediately..............................................

starkerealm · September 2014

heavy_artillery wrote: »

And there was a problem with Stam-based builds/skills before the patch. Now playing my NB is kind of a joke. I have been experiencing the broken stealth detection on every character since this week's Update

If a disguise is working, the enemies will show up as yellow when you mouse over them, if it's not (or they're a sentry that can see through the disguise) they'll highlight red.

Always check your disguise before going near someone.

Arsenic_Touch · September 2014

So much for being the "least buggy" patch. Any takers on how long it takes for them to acknowledge it let alone fix it? it's like everything that could go wrong for my nightblade went wrong with this patch, geesh.

GrimMauKin · September 2014

I'm seriously considering giving up altogether if this doesn't can fixed quickly; my Nightblade is pretty unplayable right now and I've got concerns that other passives may not be worker either.

ShadowscaleSithis · September 2014

Or another one -- harvesting while in crouch which shows detected (that's fine), but when you cone and still in crouch, not a soul around and you are detected for another 2 minutes

CapuchinSeven · September 2014

GwaynLoki wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Yup, it's totally bork'd.

Every damn patch, something that shouldn't be in live, makes it into live.

Last night while crouching I'd keep moving between detected and hidden, over and over, every time I tried to crouch.

Cloak is also broken and while just about manageable, is really frustrating.

That's not a new one, I have had that before in PvP. Ofc I thought there was someone close to me, so I just went elsewhere and used Mage Light. My stealth was "pulsing" on and off in precise time intervals.

No this was different, it would happen to me 10 times out of 10 trying to stealth wherever I was on the map. Not been on again to check, but will.

Rune_Relic · September 2014

You can get other wildlife stuff next to you like snakes and rats that will make you suddenly detected too. Mudcrabs wont attack me nor I them but they set off the detection.

Valije · September 2014

Yes, they changed something that affect stealth big time.

I am a NB bosmer and sometimes I wear 3 pieces of Nightsade armor. Before this patch I could get pretty near enemies, but now it seems there is no difference between skills, races or sets.

Why I would want to be so sneaky? Because I contribute to one of the wikis with screenshots (a ton, actually) and, if you want a decent and clean shot of an enemy, you need to get VERY near them or the mob is just tiny.

In the end I stopped using that char to get pictures and just use an alt to fill the lower level NPC in starter areas.

I hope they will fix soon...

ZOS_AmeliaR · September 2014

Hey everyone. We are aware of this issue being reported and can assure you we have our team looking into it. In the meantime, we'd like to consolidate the feedback we're receiving on this topic, so we're going to close this thread and ask that you post in this existing discussion on the same topic. Thank you!