Samadhi wrote: »

I'd like to see the other armour traits be modified to become desirable enough that Impenetrable isn't stacked as being "the only good stat."

I want that more than anything, but i just want a temp. fix to impen or PvP gear before 1.3 drops. I know if they try to do anything else, 1.3 will end up dropping a month from now.

Kego wrote: »

It is fine, like it is.
If you want a Gear that perfectly fits your wishes -> crafting.

Else, life with the Equipment like it is.

That doesn't make any sense. The way it is now you have to wear crafted sets because 1 or 2 pieces of impen trait are better than any of the full set bonuses combined [for PvP].

That renders PvP gear unusable for PvP....how is that fine like it is?

It was always said the best armour is the crafted on.

So let it be as is. If you want protection from critical, get a crafted one.

Choises?
3 Set Items with Weapons?
Style?

Pixy, as much as I despise fighting you, especially with Perma in your group, I must agree with you on this topic.

I have waited over 3 weeks + for this update so I can remake my gear, because two months ago I made my set, and it has only one piece of impen on it.

And I feel the repercussions of that decision to go with infused/divines EVERY night. I made the gear back when impenetrable wasn't even a thought in any pvp topics.

Now my fear is the patch will hit, I update all my gear and then ZOS comes along and nerfs everything I just made. Thereby wasting all of my gold crafting mats yet again!!

-Loose'Cannon

I liked the idea of just making the trait on the gear from bags random.

I agree that something needs to be done about imp trait, but I don't like your choices. It would be so much better if it was reduced damage from critical hits instead of completely negating crit builds.

Nala_ wrote: »

well, thats fine. but if they dont change the gear to have impen on it, no one will wear it. so its your call zenimax, next time just dont even bother wasting time making gear for pvp if its not going to have the only good trait for pvp on it.

Yup, It's their call.

I must agree, traits like sturdy, exploration and traning in PvP gear is misconception to put it mildly. This traits should never appear in endgame gear.

I will accept nerf to Impen, only when soft and hard cap for crit chance will be added, otherwise everyone will be stacking crit. Critical hits should be rare and powerful. We need clear statement from @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom about Impen planning changes, before patch 1.3 hits. If @ZOS nerf Impen later, amout of crying, whining and angry people will be just unbelievalbe.

Francescolg wrote: »

It is right that crit chance in general is way too high, it should stay around 30% with max spec'd equipment. Many builds are running around with much more crit.

Remember the mage in warhammer nearly 100% crit with combustion.. AND ~300% spell dmg.. We'd 40-50% fire mages on some servers, especially shortly after release and in the first 3-6 months everbody rolled a fire mage, when people discovered that it's way op. We actually got tank-builds doing sth. similar in TESO while having max-armor and teso crit is out of control

For healers there is no valuable alternative to crit spec's because of the games ultimate-reggen design. Ultimates should reggen differently, IMO!

Combustion was 35% crit chance

but 100% Crit Damage increase...

Incredibly overpowered

*edit*

Also it wasn't discovered in the first 3-6 months of final either....It was known in beta they were stupid overpowered, Everyone complained about them during Beta, hell They increased everyone's HP in the game because the damage Bright Wizards could put out (instead of nerfing Bright Wizard Mechanic). No clue why they chose not to Nerf the class despite countless complaints about it. I do know that they had a lot of "Dev" Friends who played Bright Wizards during Beta, and they routinely threaten to get anyone banned from Beta if they brought up how overpowered BW's were. Ask anyone who Beta Tested WAR and they'll tell you the same thing.

You can not fix now impenetrable, otherwise you will regret it very much.
That is why
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/123531/spell-resistance-bhahaha

Morvul wrote: »

Sai87RU wrote: »

You can not fix now impenetrable, otherwise you will regret it very much.
That is why
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/123531/spell-resistance-bhahaha

well, just because spellpenetration is also kind of broken (and therefore in need of a balancing check / fix) is not really a reason not to look into impenetrable, is it?

No, it's not. And if you fixed the issue with spell resist, you can remove or nerf impenetrable without people taking more damage.

I feel Impenetrable is to powerful in its current form but I also believe players can obtain obscene amounts of Critical rating. I would not like to see a nerf to one without the other changing with it.

Spell/Weapon Critical have no soft/hard cap and is very easily stackable to over 100%. Impenetrable is the only way to negate not getting critted 100% of the time.

Suggestion though this may be impossible to code is this:

Solution 1: Cap Spell/Weapon Critical. This will likely outrage to many players and do not recommend but its a suggestion. Nerf Impenetrable value to match.
Example: would be a 35% Crit Soft cap and a 50% Hard Cap for crits. Impenetrable is then nerfed to 2.5% crit reduction at Legendary. Meaning with 7 legendary pieces will result in 50% less crits if the enemy is only at soft cap.

The above change will mean most abilities in game that adds crit will need to be modified as getting to 35% critical should require effort and 50% would require obscene amount of work.
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Solution 2: Change the Impenetrable to a % of the enemies critical value. Example below:

Lets assume I have 50% Spell Critical and attack a player with 400 Impenetrable gear. Right now that reduces my Spell Critical down to 10%. This greatly effects my damage.

With this solution it will be different. Again i have 50% Spell Critical and attack a player with 400 Impenetrable. Now my Spell Critical against that target is 30%. That is a due to 40% of 50% is 20% less chance to crit a player with 400 Impenetrable.

If I would have stacked 100% spell crit then it would have been 40% of 100%. Thus my spell Crit would now be 60%.
If I would have stacked 20% spell crit then it would have been 20% of 20%. Thus my spell crit would now be 15%.
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Solution 2 may be impossible to code though so not sure if its viable. It would be the best solution and make Impen still great but not OP like it is now. Would also suggestion capping Impenetrable to 50%