You know if a guy tried to create an all man, maninist, anti woman, pro man rights guilds, they'd probably get forum banned.
Double standards.
I think an all girl or all dude guild should be ok. However advocating view such as feminism should be outright forum infraction though imo, no matter where its posted, be it guild recruitment, genera, or anywhere, it has no place in an mmo community.
You know if a guy tried to create an all man, maninist, anti woman, pro man rights guilds, they'd probably get forum banned.
Double standards.
I think an all girl or all dude guild should be ok. However advocating view such as feminism should be outright forum infraction though imo, no matter where its posted, be it guild recruitment, genera, or anywhere, it has no place in an mmo community.
I actually agree with him. What is the point of a political feminist guild? I get having all female guilds (I am a part of one and there should be some all male guilds with a system where you can have multiple guilds I see nothing wrong with it) but why make a guild to further a political agenda? Silly. Just silly.
"not share your account with any males" you just sound like you hate guys and that is pretty much it.
I consider myself a feminist and I think this does nothing but HURT the cause. Feminism isn't about hating males and that is exactly what this post sounds like. It makes me sad that the movement is coming to this sort of low. Feminism is about furthering the cause and equality for women (at least it use to be) most true feminist have set there focus on other countries that suppress women, not try to make little social clubs where they dish about how men are mean or this and that. I know plenty of MALE feminists so excluding them sort of says "hey you can't help us we don't want you, you are a dirty male". Please rethink how you are portraying your guild, there are plenty of female only guilds that do it without bringing up an agenda. I am sure if you and I sat down we would agree with a lot of things but this is just going to needlessly stir the pot against what should be something everyone is behind and create division in the gaming community.
There really shouldn't be feminist, democrat, republican, mens rights, naacp or any kind of thing like that advertised on these forums. We are gamers and we should all consider ourselves one blanket unit.
As a woman I really don't see the need for this sort of guild in this day and age, I am in several "co-ed" guilds and they treat me the same as anyone else. I really think that this sort of thing will only serve to create further division and that, I hope, is the last thing we want to see.
MissTreated wrote: »So let me get this correct, to join your all female guild, I have to delete my male friends from my friends list...
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »You know if a guy tried to create an all man, maninist, anti woman, pro man rights guilds, they'd probably get forum banned.
Double standards.
I think an all girl or all dude guild should be ok. However advocating view such as feminism should be outright forum infraction though imo, no matter where its posted, be it guild recruitment, genera, or anywhere, it has no place in an mmo community.
I actually agree with him. What is the point of a political feminist guild? I get having all female guilds (I am a part of one and there should be some all male guilds with a system where you can have multiple guilds I see nothing wrong with it) but why make a guild to further a political agenda? Silly. Just silly.
"not share your account with any males" you just sound like you hate guys and that is pretty much it.
I consider myself a feminist and I think this does nothing but HURT the cause. Feminism isn't about hating males and that is exactly what this post sounds like. It makes me sad that the movement is coming to this sort of low. Feminism is about furthering the cause and equality for women (at least it use to be) most true feminist have set there focus on other countries that suppress women, not try to make little social clubs where they dish about how men are mean or this and that. I know plenty of MALE feminists so excluding them sort of says "hey you can't help us we don't want you, you are a dirty male". Please rethink how you are portraying your guild, there are plenty of female only guilds that do it without bringing up an agenda. I am sure if you and I sat down we would agree with a lot of things but this is just going to needlessly stir the pot against what should be something everyone is behind and create division in the gaming community.
There really shouldn't be feminist, democrat, republican, mens rights, naacp or any kind of thing like that advertised on these forums. We are gamers and we should all consider ourselves one blanket unit.
As a woman I really don't see the need for this sort of guild in this day and age, I am in several "co-ed" guilds and they treat me the same as anyone else. I really think that this sort of thing will only serve to create further division and that, I hope, is the last thing we want to see.
If you were a feminist you would understand the severity of referring to any cause in the same manner as MRAs. Supporting *** and trying to hurt women is far different than wanting a safe place to be.
A big part of it is, if I want to have a casual conversation in guild, I want to know that members are on the same page as me. No arguments over abortion rights, etc. I want to know that transgender women will be perceived as women, and there won't be a fight over them joining.
We, as gamers, are not one blanket unit. I have experienced this seperation many times, and ignoring it is not helping the matter.
I am fine with "portraying" my guild as feminist and female only. No one is required to join.
If you want to imagine us gathering around and talking trash about men, that's yours to do. Feminists don't generally do that, I mean, I'm sure people on the outside assume that, but that's a lot of effort to constantly trash men when we could be talking about other subjects.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »You know if a guy tried to create an all man, maninist, anti woman, pro man rights guilds, they'd probably get forum banned.
Double standards.
I think an all girl or all dude guild should be ok. However advocating view such as feminism should be outright forum infraction though imo, no matter where its posted, be it guild recruitment, genera, or anywhere, it has no place in an mmo community.
I actually agree with him. What is the point of a political feminist guild? I get having all female guilds (I am a part of one and there should be some all male guilds with a system where you can have multiple guilds I see nothing wrong with it) but why make a guild to further a political agenda? Silly. Just silly.
"not share your account with any males" you just sound like you hate guys and that is pretty much it.
I consider myself a feminist and I think this does nothing but HURT the cause. Feminism isn't about hating males and that is exactly what this post sounds like. It makes me sad that the movement is coming to this sort of low. Feminism is about furthering the cause and equality for women (at least it use to be) most true feminist have set there focus on other countries that suppress women, not try to make little social clubs where they dish about how men are mean or this and that. I know plenty of MALE feminists so excluding them sort of says "hey you can't help us we don't want you, you are a dirty male". Please rethink how you are portraying your guild, there are plenty of female only guilds that do it without bringing up an agenda. I am sure if you and I sat down we would agree with a lot of things but this is just going to needlessly stir the pot against what should be something everyone is behind and create division in the gaming community.
There really shouldn't be feminist, democrat, republican, mens rights, naacp or any kind of thing like that advertised on these forums. We are gamers and we should all consider ourselves one blanket unit.
As a woman I really don't see the need for this sort of guild in this day and age, I am in several "co-ed" guilds and they treat me the same as anyone else. I really think that this sort of thing will only serve to create further division and that, I hope, is the last thing we want to see.
If you were a feminist you would understand the severity of referring to any cause in the same manner as MRAs. Supporting *** and trying to hurt women is far different than wanting a safe place to be.
A big part of it is, if I want to have a casual conversation in guild, I want to know that members are on the same page as me. No arguments over abortion rights, etc. I want to know that transgender women will be perceived as women, and there won't be a fight over them joining.
We, as gamers, are not one blanket unit. I have experienced this seperation many times, and ignoring it is not helping the matter.
I am fine with "portraying" my guild as feminist and female only. No one is required to join.
If you want to imagine us gathering around and talking trash about men, that's yours to do. Feminists don't generally do that, I mean, I'm sure people on the outside assume that, but that's a lot of effort to constantly trash men when we could be talking about other subjects.
I'm guessing you are pretty young. You seem pretty detached from reality to be honest, you are pushing what seriously sounds like a hate group/guild and its things like this that are giving feminism a bad name to the point that we have considered changing what we call it. I am part of a group that gives money and goes to other countries to help equality for women around the world - it is getting increasingly difficult for our organization to be taken seriously because of the reputation some feminists have given us. Modern feminism gives off the impression of glorifying victimization and heckling men, and regardless of what you INTENDED for this and your tamriel foundry guild post to portray that is the impression it is giving off (and it is strongly implied) if you honestly are only having issues with your wording and aren't trying to stir the pot I could help you with that.
You could easily make a guild that isn't feminist or even female only with rules stating that they must be open minded. Mine do that very effectively.
I beseech anyone reading this to NOT join this guild and further the divide between the sexes in gaming.
All I ever hear in my guilds when something is brought up against women in gaming all the guys jump on it before any of us girls can and just destroy it. There is NO point to this guild other than to needlessly stir cause a stir. Lately since they have seen this very guild post they have been in a sort of hostile mood towards femenisim and the direction it is taking in gaming, which forces me to explain to them there are different types. Honestly I can't blame them for being upset, if I saw a mens rights thread that said what basic beliefs should be and went as far as to say "can not share your account with any females" i would be pretty upset too.
Healing is about assimilation not segregation. Segregation has been attempted before and had less than desirable results.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »You know if a guy tried to create an all man, maninist, anti woman, pro man rights guilds, they'd probably get forum banned.
Double standards.
I think an all girl or all dude guild should be ok. However advocating view such as feminism should be outright forum infraction though imo, no matter where its posted, be it guild recruitment, genera, or anywhere, it has no place in an mmo community.
I actually agree with him. What is the point of a political feminist guild? I get having all female guilds (I am a part of one and there should be some all male guilds with a system where you can have multiple guilds I see nothing wrong with it) but why make a guild to further a political agenda? Silly. Just silly.
"not share your account with any males" you just sound like you hate guys and that is pretty much it.
I consider myself a feminist and I think this does nothing but HURT the cause. Feminism isn't about hating males and that is exactly what this post sounds like. It makes me sad that the movement is coming to this sort of low. Feminism is about furthering the cause and equality for women (at least it use to be) most true feminist have set there focus on other countries that suppress women, not try to make little social clubs where they dish about how men are mean or this and that. I know plenty of MALE feminists so excluding them sort of says "hey you can't help us we don't want you, you are a dirty male". Please rethink how you are portraying your guild, there are plenty of female only guilds that do it without bringing up an agenda. I am sure if you and I sat down we would agree with a lot of things but this is just going to needlessly stir the pot against what should be something everyone is behind and create division in the gaming community.
There really shouldn't be feminist, democrat, republican, mens rights, naacp or any kind of thing like that advertised on these forums. We are gamers and we should all consider ourselves one blanket unit.
As a woman I really don't see the need for this sort of guild in this day and age, I am in several "co-ed" guilds and they treat me the same as anyone else. I really think that this sort of thing will only serve to create further division and that, I hope, is the last thing we want to see.
If you were a feminist you would understand the severity of referring to any cause in the same manner as MRAs. Supporting *** and trying to hurt women is far different than wanting a safe place to be.
A big part of it is, if I want to have a casual conversation in guild, I want to know that members are on the same page as me. No arguments over abortion rights, etc. I want to know that transgender women will be perceived as women, and there won't be a fight over them joining.
We, as gamers, are not one blanket unit. I have experienced this seperation many times, and ignoring it is not helping the matter.
I am fine with "portraying" my guild as feminist and female only. No one is required to join.
If you want to imagine us gathering around and talking trash about men, that's yours to do. Feminists don't generally do that, I mean, I'm sure people on the outside assume that, but that's a lot of effort to constantly trash men when we could be talking about other subjects.
I'm guessing you are pretty young. You seem pretty detached from reality to be honest, you are pushing what seriously sounds like a hate group/guild and its things like this that are giving feminism a bad name to the point that we have considered changing what we call it. I am part of a group that gives money and goes to other countries to help equality for women around the world - it is getting increasingly difficult for our organization to be taken seriously because of the reputation some feminists have given us. Modern feminism gives off the impression of glorifying victimization and heckling men, and regardless of what you INTENDED for this and your tamriel foundry guild post to portray that is the impression it is giving off (and it is strongly implied) if you honestly are only having issues with your wording and aren't trying to stir the pot I could help you with that.
You could easily make a guild that isn't feminist or even female only with rules stating that they must be open minded. Mine do that very effectively.
I beseech anyone reading this to NOT join this guild and further the divide between the sexes in gaming.
All I ever hear in my guilds when something is brought up against women in gaming all the guys jump on it before any of us girls can and just destroy it. There is NO point to this guild other than to needlessly stir cause a stir. Lately since they have seen this very guild post they have been in a sort of hostile mood towards femenisim and the direction it is taking in gaming, which forces me to explain to them there are different types. Honestly I can't blame them for being upset, if I saw a mens rights thread that said what basic beliefs should be and went as far as to say "can not share your account with any females" i would be pretty upset too.
Healing is about assimilation not segregation. Segregation has been attempted before and had less than desirable results.
You can't, out of one side of your mouth, claim to be feminist, and then bash feminists out of the other. You're ultimately just hating on other women.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »You know if a guy tried to create an all man, maninist, anti woman, pro man rights guilds, they'd probably get forum banned.
Double standards.
I think an all girl or all dude guild should be ok. However advocating view such as feminism should be outright forum infraction though imo, no matter where its posted, be it guild recruitment, genera, or anywhere, it has no place in an mmo community.
I actually agree with him. What is the point of a political feminist guild? I get having all female guilds (I am a part of one and there should be some all male guilds with a system where you can have multiple guilds I see nothing wrong with it) but why make a guild to further a political agenda? Silly. Just silly.
"not share your account with any males" you just sound like you hate guys and that is pretty much it.
I consider myself a feminist and I think this does nothing but HURT the cause. Feminism isn't about hating males and that is exactly what this post sounds like. It makes me sad that the movement is coming to this sort of low. Feminism is about furthering the cause and equality for women (at least it use to be) most true feminist have set there focus on other countries that suppress women, not try to make little social clubs where they dish about how men are mean or this and that. I know plenty of MALE feminists so excluding them sort of says "hey you can't help us we don't want you, you are a dirty male". Please rethink how you are portraying your guild, there are plenty of female only guilds that do it without bringing up an agenda. I am sure if you and I sat down we would agree with a lot of things but this is just going to needlessly stir the pot against what should be something everyone is behind and create division in the gaming community.
There really shouldn't be feminist, democrat, republican, mens rights, naacp or any kind of thing like that advertised on these forums. We are gamers and we should all consider ourselves one blanket unit.
As a woman I really don't see the need for this sort of guild in this day and age, I am in several "co-ed" guilds and they treat me the same as anyone else. I really think that this sort of thing will only serve to create further division and that, I hope, is the last thing we want to see.
If you were a feminist you would understand the severity of referring to any cause in the same manner as MRAs. Supporting *** and trying to hurt women is far different than wanting a safe place to be.
A big part of it is, if I want to have a casual conversation in guild, I want to know that members are on the same page as me. No arguments over abortion rights, etc. I want to know that transgender women will be perceived as women, and there won't be a fight over them joining.
We, as gamers, are not one blanket unit. I have experienced this seperation many times, and ignoring it is not helping the matter.
I am fine with "portraying" my guild as feminist and female only. No one is required to join.
If you want to imagine us gathering around and talking trash about men, that's yours to do. Feminists don't generally do that, I mean, I'm sure people on the outside assume that, but that's a lot of effort to constantly trash men when we could be talking about other subjects.
I'm guessing you are pretty young. You seem pretty detached from reality to be honest, you are pushing what seriously sounds like a hate group/guild and its things like this that are giving feminism a bad name to the point that we have considered changing what we call it. I am part of a group that gives money and goes to other countries to help equality for women around the world - it is getting increasingly difficult for our organization to be taken seriously because of the reputation some feminists have given us. Modern feminism gives off the impression of glorifying victimization and heckling men, and regardless of what you INTENDED for this and your tamriel foundry guild post to portray that is the impression it is giving off (and it is strongly implied) if you honestly are only having issues with your wording and aren't trying to stir the pot I could help you with that.
You could easily make a guild that isn't feminist or even female only with rules stating that they must be open minded. Mine do that very effectively.
I beseech anyone reading this to NOT join this guild and further the divide between the sexes in gaming.
All I ever hear in my guilds when something is brought up against women in gaming all the guys jump on it before any of us girls can and just destroy it. There is NO point to this guild other than to needlessly stir cause a stir. Lately since they have seen this very guild post they have been in a sort of hostile mood towards femenisim and the direction it is taking in gaming, which forces me to explain to them there are different types. Honestly I can't blame them for being upset, if I saw a mens rights thread that said what basic beliefs should be and went as far as to say "can not share your account with any females" i would be pretty upset too.
Healing is about assimilation not segregation. Segregation has been attempted before and had less than desirable results.
Also, healing is not about assimilation. It is not about women bending to a male dominated society or black people bending to a white society. That is a ridiculous statement.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »No attacks on men are happening, you don't have to apologize for our guild to your male friends, if this makes them hate feminism, they already did. That image of a man-eating troll is already in their mind. If anything, you should be slapping them for insulting feminism at all, not empathizing with the hate they have for the women's movement.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »No attacks on men are happening, you don't have to apologize for our guild to your male friends, if this makes them hate feminism, they already did. That image of a man-eating troll is already in their mind. If anything, you should be slapping them for insulting feminism at all, not empathizing with the hate they have for the women's movement.
I am almost 100% convinced you are a troll now. You are calling me a sexist now? I actually give money and start rallies against things that are an affront to women. Things that single them out in any way.
So they never "Hated" it before but when the younger ones go and see that this is what feminism is (quite frankly a pro segregation hate group) they assume that is what the group is about and then I have to explain to them that is NOT what it is about and tell them its history, which changes there mind. You honestly think if any part of feminism is criticized it means that they hated it anyway? So if someone goes and kills someone and say it was in the name of feminism and then I say that is wrong and is not what feminists are about I should be slapped or i'm "an internal sexist". Of course they are going to get upset when a post is made that clearly pushes at them.
I can't believe you are not understanding what you are doing here and quite frankly if you aren't trolling it is disturbing. There is a reason your posts catch flak and other women groups do not.