Just swap my faction and be done with it ..

hamon

so i,m vet 10 now.. i started as EP cos i enjoyed the faction, the zone variety the lore etc. Here's the rub.. now at vet 10 due to the insane implementation of vet levels , the only zones where i can gather anything of use at my level is dominion zones. I feel like there is absoloutely no reason what so ever to visit any EP zone . if i want to harvest crafting mats or run a public dungeon where stuff will drop (non grey mobs) i have to go to Dominion zones and do it there. lvl 50 mobs will still drop stuff (afaik) but that still only leaves coldharbour or cyrodil.

so whats the point of being in EP when its the last place to actually be. except of course all the other EP vet 5-10 are with me in the dominion zones. This is utterly backwards imo. I just hate this stupid design choice.. if i wanted to spend my time after levelling in dominion zones to do these things I would have rolled DOMINION.

not to mention that ive just spend the last couple of weeks being a traitor to my faction by helping the enemy and often killing EP and foiling thier plans (if you bother to read the quests in vet mode) so that kinda hurts any faction loyalty i once had while actually playing my factions story.

worst idea ever.

Getorix

LOL, yeah I just hit vet 10 and was thinking the same thing. The zone where ep vet 10 people would normally hang out to craft and get groups belongs to another faction.

But theres nobody even there so I guess it doesn't matter, this game flopped and zennimax is still twiddling their thumbs.

Akhratos

Im facing 50 atm and being both a completionist and a rper, it scares me.

Either I betray my faction and spend the next weeks killing them and doing quests for altnerds sake, or grind vet dungeons (no problem to me) but lose a lot of skill points in the way.

Seriously Idk what Ill do.

hamon

ye its bonkers , it would even have been preferable to just be allowed to do any zone at any vet lvl so you could re-do your own faction zones if you chose . or at least gathered vet lvl mats from the zones you wanted to play when you chose your faction. Ok there would be players from other factions running around the same zone but at least then you still have a point to actually being in your own faction zones at vet 10... as it stands if i actually do visit my own zones for a wee trek about to remind myself how i enjoyed them all i get is agro from greyed out mobs with nothing to gain..... completely bassackward

psychoman88ub17_ESO

who cares really, its not you actually helping the other faction, its kind of like a dream, or a "what if" mode. You do nothing to truly help the other factions. I just wish there was open world pvp, thats the bad design choice...

Gisgo

The OP is right DC VR10 players are spending their time in... Skyrim.
Theres clearly something wrong when the Covenant's high level market takes place in Riften.
We need a VR10 instance of Daggerfall or Wayrest + VR10 dungeon + VR10 vendors etc...

hamon

Gisgo wrote: »

The OP is right DC VR10 players are spending their time in... Skyrim.
Theres clearly something wrong.

yes while folk who presumably wanted to hang out in skyrim , or are into being a nord character. have absolutely no reason to ever visit skyrim again at vet 10...

Gisgo

Yeah no offense btw Riften is a very nice town.

hamon

Gisgo wrote: »

Yeah no offense btw Riften is a very nice town.

ye i miss the EP zones , the variety. riften is a nice zone. as is east march.. i pretty much hate the dominion zones , part of the reason i didnt roll dominion. Tho in fairness reapers is sort of ok after all the stuck in a forest with cliffs stopping you riding around that is the main feature of elf land... but thats where i now have to do everything

Natjur

Just wait for Craglorn, the new city you will be will be just for your faction and it will be the only town you will hang out in from then on. No more of this farming other factions V10 zone for stuff anymore.

Just hope they kill the bots before Craglorn goes live, as the gold/loot drops from there make all other farming areas look like a waste of time.

Awe

As DC VR I still use Rivenspire(Shornhelm) as my craftting/banking town xD
In all the rest completely agree with the rest, hanging out in "enemy" factions zone all the time sucks.

hamon

Natjur wrote: »

Just wait for Craglorn, the new city you will be will be just for your faction and it will be the only town you will hang out in from then on. No more of this farming other factions V10 zone for stuff anymore.

Just hope they kill the bots before Craglorn goes live, as the gold/loot drops from there make all other farming areas look like a waste of time.

well all we hear is "wait for craglorn" like its the messiah thats gonna solve every problem we ever had.. With so much hope and expectation riding on it. its gonna have to be spectacular to not be a masssive let down.

Turial

I think y'all are missing the bigger picture here, it is not about faction loyalty whether you be RPing or not. During your 1-50 time you are supposed to evolve beyond the restraints of a faction and see there are worse threats out there and you need to work together to overcome them, even Cadwell explains that you need to see the other factions and help them to see the bigger picture, us monkeys need to evolve beyond faction constraints, that's the point.

Anlaemar

I'm sure Craglorn will somewhat help with the problem. Also there are plenty of room for expansion on the map. There will most likely more zones released somewhere in the future.

hamon

Turial wrote: »

I think y'all are missing the bigger picture here, it is not about faction loyalty whether you be RPing or not. During your 1-50 time you are supposed to evolve beyond the restraints of a faction and see there are worse threats out there and you need to work together to overcome them, even Cadwell explains that you need to see the other factions and help them to see the bigger picture, us monkeys need to evolve beyond faction constraints, that's the point.

i hear what you say in terms of gameplay lore etc.. but as players , we chose a faction for a reason. To feel a part of that faction. or cos we liked their zones. or racials etc.. the point being that it just becomes utterly redundant. I get that we should see that to save the world we need to unite on some level to overcome the greater evil.. but i'd still like to do it in my own faction zones . not have them be utterly redundant in my gameplay. While i still have value in being in another factions zones all the time.

i mean if i actually wanted to spend my time at vet 10 in EP zones so i could do my farming resources and stuff . I should have rolled a DC char. cos thats where they get to go. As it stands i have no choice but to spend my time in what would have been my least favourite choice. I just can't get why they never seen this as being a major oversight when they decided to implement this.

Xithian

Turial wrote: »

I think y'all are missing the bigger picture here, it is not about faction loyalty whether you be RPing or not. During your 1-50 time you are supposed to evolve beyond the restraints of a faction and see there are worse threats out there and you need to work together to overcome them, even Cadwell explains that you need to see the other factions and help them to see the bigger picture, us monkeys need to evolve beyond faction constraints, that's the point.

That's all well and good, but the PvE and PvP sides of the game are completely at odds. Anyone that steps foot into Cyrodiil is going to have to throw that peace and love line right out the window, because that's all it is... a line to get people through Molag Bal.

Even in the PvE story there's very little cohesive sense to the factions working together. They never do. They send the fighters guild and mages guild in. The factions themselves never make an attempt to actually work together. They essentially just tell people "Well, if you happen to be a member of one of these organizations that happens to include people from all three major factions...we won't consider you a traitor and have you beheaded if you help them stop Molag Bal."

With Cyrodiil and the fight for the throne being a core part of the game there can never be peace of any kind between the factions. Any attempts at it are going to make the plot look unbelievable and weak, because a few zones over there's always going to be warring armies. It's not like the factions are playing capture the flag for sport there... it's a war for the throne.

hamon

yes i mean i hate to use WoW as an analogy but how stupid would it have been if you had to level the last 10 levels in the other faction , and then be left with the horde all hanging out in ironforge and the alliance hanging about in ogrimarr.. it just throws the entire premise of the story on its head.

Xithian

hamon wrote: »

yes i mean i hate to use WoW as an analogy but how stupid would it have been if you had to level the last 10 levels in the other faction , and then be left with the horde all hanging out in ironforge and the alliance hanging about in ogrimarr.. it just throws the entire premise of the story on its head.

I hate to break it to you, but they essentially did that in MoP. We all held hands and defeated demons of hate. I fought the urge to bring it up in my above post.

hamon

Xithian wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

yes i mean i hate to use WoW as an analogy but how stupid would it have been if you had to level the last 10 levels in the other faction , and then be left with the horde all hanging out in ironforge and the alliance hanging about in ogrimarr.. it just throws the entire premise of the story on its head.

I hate to break it to you, but they essentially did that in MoP. We all held hands and defeated demons of hate. I fought the urge to bring it up in my above post.

ach well thats my being from a long time since i played wow i only played vanilla up till naxxramas was added. It's still a stupid move tho. I don't mind the whole working together to beat the greater evil .. thats ok. its just when alls said and done i want to still have a reason to be in my factions zones.. not just to be annoyed by grey mobs and gold sellers. while in AD zones i have real reasons to spend my time there.

Laura

this is a valid point I hadn't thought about. I almost forgot I was ebonheart pact. I love the game but thats some poor design right there.

I want to feel attached to EP again..

Xithian

hamon wrote: »

while in AD zones i have real reasons to spend my time there.

*stab*

No hard feelings.

hamon

Laura wrote: »

this is a valid point I hadn't thought about. I almost forgot I was ebonheart pact. I love the game but thats some poor design right there.

I want to feel attached to EP again..

yes unless you pvp you have no reason left to even consider yourself as any faction. It starts to feel like you belong to whatever faction you end up spending your time in , so i spend my time in elf and cat zones looking at Dominion culture and buildings etc.. ive just spent the last week or so doing the dominion quests.. I know their story and helped them avert disaster. Without reason to then go back and do something for the pact and spend my time there. its just a distant memory actually feeling like i was in that faction.

Guppet

I think they know end game is messed up right now. It will take them a couple of content patches to get end game in a decent state. Hopefully this issue of faction pride and belonging will be solved.

I think that end game and how veteran levels are perceived by a lot of posters, is the main reason the consoles were delayed, not tech related issues that they claim.

If consoles were to receive the endgame we have currently, I think they would loose a lot of money. Console players are not as used to content being released unfinished (paid beta), so would likely unsub and not come back.

If they get end game sorted before that, they can print their own money.

monkeymystic

This is actually an irritating problem that hurts everything with Lore, and they need to make all zones equal.

It is stupid as a Pact VR 10 to sit in Dominion zones because they have all the VR 10 vendors/pact players.....

CapuchinSeven

Yeah, it's pretty dumb. The whole damn idea of the game falls to death. I'm left thinking, wait... which faction am I now...

If you wanted to do this, you should have just made the game open world for all factions, even sandbox. It's just stupid and totally ruins any immersion.

Nazon_Katts

Yep, at VR10+ all zones should just turn into VR10. If we add a couple of random and rare spawns, events and special one time quests, there might a chance for an open world experience in Tamriel.

But who am I kidding, there's no such thing as a golden patch, we'll all be cramming into Craglorn like the rest of Nirn went to Oblivion. That's the way of the themepark.

Striken7

hamon wrote: »

Xithian wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

yes i mean i hate to use WoW as an analogy but how stupid would it have been if you had to level the last 10 levels in the other faction , and then be left with the horde all hanging out in ironforge and the alliance hanging about in ogrimarr.. it just throws the entire premise of the story on its head.

I hate to break it to you, but they essentially did that in MoP. We all held hands and defeated demons of hate. I fought the urge to bring it up in my above post.

ach well thats my being from a long time since i played wow i only played vanilla up till naxxramas was added. It's still a stupid move tho. I don't mind the whole working together to beat the greater evil .. thats ok. its just when alls said and done i want to still have a reason to be in my factions zones.. not just to be annoyed by grey mobs and gold sellers. while in AD zones i have real reasons to spend my time there.

MoP as an expansion has the Horde and Alliance on a temporary truce (unless your on a PvP server) but it's not like Horde players can just go and hang out in Stormwind when they finish the PvE content. Max level players still go back to their own towns, in their own zones, to sell, craft, bank, meet for raids, etc.

Tipsy

Just let the level of your own faction correspond to the veteran rank earned.
So if you reach veteran rank 12,everything in your own faction will be v12

hamon

yes simply letting you go to the last couple of zones in your own faction in their current vet lvl would be enough. after all the coding is already there to have riften and eastmarch be vet lvl 9 and 10. just not for the pact... if they did that i would be much happier spending my time in riften as a pact member than being stuck in reapers.

Pele

Indeed. It is quite odd that you must betray your faction if you want to level.

I agree with the idea that your faction's zones should correspond to your vet level. In fact, that's how I thought it would be, but alas...

Clunan

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere... might have been the May 1st post they did abt the 'vision' of the game, that they are considering making your faction be vet content after you finish the other two, for this very reason