Zenimax, please make it an option for Khajiit vampires to retain their fur color.

apav

Hello all.

I'd like to preface this by saying that I know that some people prefer the white fur. I am also fully aware that this would result in some balance issues with the other races. This is why I support giving an option of skin color to the other races as well. However, I will not be addressing that in this topic, I'll be solely talking about the Khajiit. I mixed some points other users have made with my own.

ZOS, I would like to ask you a question.

Why would a Khajiit's fur change colors when becoming a vampire? They have fur, fur is made of hair, and there is no blood in hair. For those that are saying something along the lines of "It makes sense because you become pale when you become a vampire, because you’re dead/undead," please read this.

I guess first and foremost I should bring up something a lot of people keep missing. Skin is NOT hair. Sounds pretty obvious doesn't it? But realize that it is the skin that turns pale when becoming a vampire, not the hair. Plus, vampires don't grow old, they keep their appearance at the time of being bitten forever. This includes hair color. When any of the humanoid races become vampires, their hair doesn't turn white.
Consider this picture:
http://i.imgur.com/mMQZAp3.png

Why is it that the Khajiit's fur is white but the actual hair on the top of her head is black? Aren't they technically one and the same?

Still not convinced? Think about a fur coat or carpet. Fur doesn't magically whiten out just because its owner is dead. Fur of animals dead and preserved for thousands of years still retain their original colors. Fur just doesn't whiten out by itself.

I get that vampires and Khajiit are fictional, but the whole thing is still highly illogical and very inconsistent. Since the fur of Khajiit vampires haven't changed colors in the previous games, and nothing from the lore has suggested otherwise, the expectation that a Khajiit will keep its original coloring is pretty understandable.

So, now that this appearance change has been proven to be illogical, and I'm sure ZOS knows it as well, you may be wondering why they decided to do it anyway. The answer is simple. They did it to balance the appearance change with the other races, I'm almost certain that's it. They forwent logic for MMO balance (something I really hate MMO's for doing but can't be helped), so players would be able to spot a vampire. But then think about this. At least at the higher levels, most of the character's body is covered in armor, with barely any or no skin/fur showing. And if they have their helmet showing, the only way to tell that person is a vampire is their red eyes. I find it easier to spot them by looking at their eyes. So in the end, unless their head is showing, skin/fur color doesn't matter. Also don't forget the fact that it's also pretty obvious if you see a moving cloud of mist or bats!

Personally, I think it would be better if they kept the color of the fur the same (or made an option to keep it), but made the face more sinister looking. Perhaps more pronounced fangs protruding from the mouth (they are both cats and vampires, they should have fangs), glowing red eyes, dark spots, veins showing, ect. I really wanted to be a Khajiit vampire, but unfortunately I really dislike white fur on a Khajiit, so I would not be happy with how my character would look. They look too much like pandas to me. If they ever change this and allow us to keep the fur color though, I'd be a Khajiit in a heartbeat. Which is why I'm putting my thoughts out there in hopes that other people agree and ZOS will see this.

This was my Khajiit I created to be a Nightblade vampire, before I knew about the fur color change. I was just messing around the sliders with no idea what I wanted him to look like, and funnily enough he came out looking a lot like Scar: http://i.imgur.com/BcR3grr.jpg

I wanted to keep that color if I made him into a vampire, so it was a deal breaker for me. Now he's just sitting there collecting dust as I level my Imperial nightblade. I'm settling for a second choice race and worse racials for a nightblade because I don't like how Khajiit vampires look, I know, but it still is annoying to put it that way. And for those of you who are thinking I can just wear armor and forget about it, I'm one of those players that always hides the helmet.

ZOS, if you're listening, please give us this option. It doesn't have to be anything major. Just be simple and have it make sense. Like for instance, make stage 1 vampirism retain the original skin tone/fur color. So as a stage 1 vampire you'll just have red eyes. It makes sense lore wise, if you feed often you'll look somewhat normal, but as you go through the stages you start to look more and more monstrous. All they have to do is change the skin/fur color of stage 1 vampirism to your original form. People who hate how vampires look but enioy the stregths of vampirism will just feed often. I don't really think it's that hard, and both sides will be pleased.

ChampionSheWolf

Hair loses it's pigmentation after a corpse is dead. Now refraining from things like natural decay, it will turn pale, or colorless more realistically on a corpse. Furthermore, you chose to be one of the walking dead, and a sparkler, despite there is nothing glorious about it. You are a monster just like a werewolf, and those features should not be easily hidden just because you chose a furred race.

oldkye

If you don't want white fur don't be a vampire? lol

It's suppose to be a disease and a curse lol and what's so terrible about forgoing reality for balance in a MMO "Your A Cat Man!!!!!!!" if you want real you shouldn't have been a Cat Person in the first place XD.

Also most of the Khajiit vampires I know did it "Because" they wanted the pale white fur and red eyes lol they made there character from the start to support that look and they love it.

I hate the way my vampire's face looks at stage 4 lol but like you said I just put on a helmet and problem solved.

I like more options and all but I don't see why the devs should completely overhaul the game to let you be a vampire but not have to stand out like one lol and before you say "well I said give everyone the option" what if we don't want it lol? What if we "want" them to have to look different and give us some reason other then min-maxing to be one?

apav

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

Hair loses it's pigmentation after a corpse is dead. Now refraining from things like natural decay, it will turn pale, or colorless more realistically on a corpse. Furthermore, you chose to be one of the walking dead, and a sparkler, despite there is nothing glorious about it. You are a monster just like a werewolf, and those features should not be easily hidden just because you chose a furred race.

I'm sorry but this is wrong. Have you ever seen a mummy's hair? It's not white. It's true that the pigments do change (hair might even fall off) after death, but no living creature's hair/fur will turn snow white after death. Like I said before, fur retains it's original color and pattern long after it is skinned off the animal. Second, in TES, vampires are not dead, zombies, and they don't sparkle. Vampirism is a disease, but the infected is technically still alive (and not undead). Traditionally in other TES games, vampires are have orange/red eyes and have a more "sinister" looking face, and that's it. No skin color change. No hair color change. This was completely an MMO thing. If vampirism affects the color of your skin though, that has nothing to do with fur, so technically yes I should be able to hide the color of my skin under my fur because the fur should not change color. It's not a matter of hiding it, it's a matter of liking how my character looks. I love how Vampirism looks on all the other races. But it just doesn't make sense why the fur is white. And not only does it not make sense, it's inconsistent. Why is hair on a Khajiit's head unaffected but fur is?

oldkye wrote: »

If you don't want white fur don't be a vampire? lol

It's suppose to be a disease and a curse lol and what's so terrible about forgoing reality for balance in a MMO "Your A Cat Man!!!!!!!" if you want real you shouldn't have been a Cat Person in the first place XD.

Also most of the Khajiit vampires I know did it "Because" they wanted the pale white fur and red eyes lol they made there character from the start to support that look and they love it.

I hate the way my vampire's face looks at stage 4 lol but like you said I just put on a helmet and problem solved.

I like more options and all but I don't see why the devs should completely overhaul the game to let you be a vampire but not have to stand out like one lol and before you say "well I said give everyone the option" what if we don't want it lol? What if we "want" them to have to look different and give us some reason other then min-maxing to be one?

I don't see why people make posts like "if you don't like x then don't play it." I already know that, that's why I'm not playing it and making a post here to maybe convince someone at Zenimax to bring it up for discussion. I like vampires, and I like Khajiit. Therefore I want to be a Khajiit vampire. However, I don't like the white fur more than I like being a Khajiit vampire. Even if I don't play one I still wish I could without the fur changing, which is why I made this post. And I feel my argument is validated because the fur being white makes no sense both logically and lore wise. And there's a difference between reality and game logic. What I'm talking about is game logic.

Like I said, in the end balance on appearance doesn't matter because most people cover themselves in armor anyway. The first thing I notice when I see a vampire is the red eyes. The dev's don't care about you standing out as a vampire. There is literally no sense of extra from hardship being a vampire besides the extra damae to fire. In other TES games you would be driven out of town, but in this game the NPC's could care less if you're a vampire. And there doesn't have to be a "huge overhaul" to add an option in... have it make sense. Like for instance, make stage 1 vampirism retain the original skin tone/fur color. So as a stage 1 vampire you'll just have red eyes. It makes sense lore wise, if you feed often you'll look somewhat normal, but as you go through the stages you start to look more and more monstrous. All they have to do is change the skin/fur color of stage 1 vampirism to your original form. People who hate how vampires look but enioy the stregths of vampirism will just feed often. I don't really think it's that hard, and both sides will be pleased.

oldkye

It's silly and your still being unreasonable lol you act like fantasy cat people with black fur are more realistic then fantasy cat people with white fur lol guess what? the devs "write" the lore they can write whatever they want they can add new races and kill off others whenever they see fit cause it's their story.

So who are you to tell the writers that white fur on their make believe people is less "real" then black fur on their make believe animals this is a game were magic and dragons and undead are common place and the things that inhabit it can change color and size for all kinds of reason and people can summon up forests and islands.

With those facts in mind how is the white fur even "slightly" unseasonable lol? it's fine land can be called from nothing but a mythical cursed(it's magical based meaning it can do anything) disease can't change a animals fur color? do you even realize how silly that is?!?!?

Lets say this the way it is you don't like the way it looks and logic, story, and the writers themselves be damned cause you want it changed so you can look the way you want lol.

Play Skyrim and make a mod cause this is a multi-player game.

apav

I'm not telling them, I'm asking them to consider it. I'm a paying customer, and they have a forum. I am allowed to suggest something if I want to. Didn't know that was such a crime.

It's half about logic, but it's also half personal too. Myself and a few other players I have spoke with really are saddened that they give no option here, forcing us to play another race because we couldn't stand looking at our characters, even though we really want to be Khajiit vampires. It doesn't harm anyone if they made it an option, it would only please those people who want to keep their original fur color.

If they make a game where you can wear light armor, a giant two hand axe and cast spells, don't you think they'd give the player a choice about how they want to look as a vampire? It's also part of the TES experience. Some players like to RP as a super monstrous looking bloodsucker, others like to blend into society. In the lore, there is a tribe of vampires known as the Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order, who are so skilled with stealth and manipulation that they are indistringuisable from ordinary people.

At this point you're pretty much bashing me for making a suggestion. Obviously you are opposed to making this an option (really? an option? It's not like I'm asking to get rid of the white fur) and reject any idea or point I bring up, so continuing this is futile.

oldkye

As another paying costumer I like the white fur lol so that cancels you out now doesn't it? further more I know several other people who like the white fur the whole "I'm one of a million paying customers so they need to please "ME" and only me" doesn't really work now does it lol?

You want them to make "you" happy you're not asking to fix a exploit that hurts us all or, a drastic lore problem or, a game breaking bug you want the game changed to make one character you created look more the way you want lol.

I'm fine you don't like it but fill out a feed back message and send it to the devs don't write 3 pages about how it's the worst thing in the world cause "you" don't like it lol I actually "do" like it.

ElSlayer

And, in that case, how can I recognize you as a vampire in a middle of mass PvP in order to nail your tail to the ground with a silver bolt?

apav

oldkye wrote: »

As another paying costumer I like the white fur lol so that cancels you out now doesn't it? further more I know several other people who like the white fur the whole "I'm one of a million paying customers so they need to please "ME" and only me" doesn't really work now does it lol?

You want them to make "you" happy you're not asking to fix a exploit that hurts us all or, a drastic lore problem or, a game breaking bug you want the game changed to make one character you created look more the way you want lol.

I'm fine you don't like it but fill out a feed back message and send it to the devs don't write 3 pages about how it's the worst thing in the world cause "you" don't like it lol I actually "do" like it.

So because I have an opinion, and I suggest something that favors that opinion, you think I'm only thinking of myself? You've missed the point so many times I don't even feel like replying to you anymore. Why do you think I was so careful with my word choice, why I said "make it an option" instead of "get rid of white fur." I completely understand that other players like the white fur, that is why making it an option pleases both camps. You on the other hand, aren't even okay with making it an option. So right back at you, you're making this about YOU and how you don't want other Khajiit to have non-white fur. At least I said I am fine with making it a choice, for you it's "deal with white fur or don't be a vampire." Why can't players have a choice? Tell me, if you're happy with the way the fur is, and I'm not, so I propose an option to please the people that aren't happy but it doesn't affect the people that are happy, why would you have a problem with it? You can still have your white fur, and we can have our darker fur. You're denying the right for players to have a choice. That seems extremely hypocrtical especially after what you're saying that I'm only thinking about what will make me happy.

Feedback submitted earlier today via email and I just got an email response from a ZOS stating that it's a good suggestion and they will discuss this, so there.

ElSlayer wrote: »

And, in that case, how can I recognize you as a vampire in a middle of mass PvP in order to nail your tail to the ground with a silver bolt?

How do you normally? You can't really by skin color since they're wearing full armor. Unless you get a quick glimpse of their pale face or red eyes, most people can only distinguish a vampire in PvP when the vampire uses mist form/bat swarm. Giving an option for non-white fur doesn't change much in pvp since most of that is covered by armor and they'd still use mist form/bat swarm like any other vampire.

oldkye

There are 3 ways to spot a vampire two avoidable and the last one not.

The avoidable ways are.
A. Vampire abilities which can be seen.
B. Skin and eye color.
The unavoidable.
C. Fighter Skill passive that highlights them.

For B it's not as simple as you make it many armors like the one in your picture and particularly those on females show some skin at the very least around the neckline but often on light and medium armors face, eyes, arms or a mix are visible.

The fact that you need to pick armor that may not look the way you like but covers the way you look could also be seen as a downside to vampire.

ElSlayer

apav wrote: »

How do you normally? You can't really by skin color since they're wearing full armor. Unless you get a quick glimpse of their pale face or red eyes

Exactly.

apav wrote: »

most people can only distinguish a vampire in PvP when the vampire uses mist form/bat swarm.

So, according to your statement, I'm already doing it better than most people. I don't want to be set back, because when the vampire uses mist form/bat swarm it means "too late" for me.

apav

ElSlayer wrote: »

apav wrote: »

How do you normally? You can't really by skin color since they're wearing full armor. Unless you get a quick glimpse of their pale face or red eyes

Exactly.

apav wrote: »

most people can only distinguish a vampire in PvP when the vampire uses mist form/bat swarm.

So, according to your statement, I'm already doing it better than most people. I don't want to be set back, because when the vampire uses mist form/bat swarm it means "too late" for me.

I meant it exactly as I said. I only said that when you use it other players will notice that you're a vampire. Nothing about what happens next. Whether it's too late or not depends on the situation.

My point is, even if some skin is showing, it's extremely hard to tell who's a vampire in a group of 10+ players in the middle of combat. Most of the time you're not focusing on minute character details, so you may even miss the pale face and red eyes. But mist form or bat swarm, that's easy to spot.

ChampionSheWolf

apav wrote: »

I'm sorry but this is wrong. Have you ever seen a mummy's hair?

Actually I have, and no I never said it's white, and no it's not the pigment of the corpses natural hair. It loses it's pigment.

apav

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

apav wrote: »

I'm sorry but this is wrong. Have you ever seen a mummy's hair?

Actually I have, and no I never said it's white, and no it's not the pigment of the corpses natural hair. It loses it's pigment.

There's a difference between losing pigment (the hair changes color because certain pigments oxidize leaving others more noticeable, that's why a lot of mummies have red-ish hair) and hair turning white. In the game Khajiit fur turns white when becoming a vampire. I only brought up this point because it doesn't make sense compared to the other races, and it doesn't make sense logically. Skin is not fur, and fur does not turn white after death. That's all I was saying.

ChampionSheWolf

apav wrote: »

There's a difference between losing pigment (the hair changes color because certain pigments oxidize leaving others more noticeable, that's why a lot of mummies have red-ish hair) and hair turning white. In the game Khajiit fur turns white when becoming a vampire. I only brought up this point because it doesn't make sense compared to the other races, and it doesn't make sense logically. Skin is not fur, and fur does not turn white after death. That's all I was saying.

Actually it makes perfect sense. As Khajiit fur color is skin color to other races, not hair color as it is a separate part of the model, just like the hair. Argue it all you want, it's done for a reason. You don't want to have chalk white skin, don't be a vampire, it's as simple as that.

oldkye

@apav And this game is not real XD that "point" is why I commented your acting like your plea for better dress up is some huge realism and lore problem when it isn't it's just another magical fantasy effect in a magical fantasy world.

apav

cbrown15_ESO wrote: »

apav wrote: »

There's a difference between losing pigment (the hair changes color because certain pigments oxidize leaving others more noticeable, that's why a lot of mummies have red-ish hair) and hair turning white. In the game Khajiit fur turns white when becoming a vampire. I only brought up this point because it doesn't make sense compared to the other races, and it doesn't make sense logically. Skin is not fur, and fur does not turn white after death. That's all I was saying.

Actually it makes perfect sense. As Khajiit fur color is skin color to other races, not hair color as it is a separate part of the model, just like the hair. Argue it all you want, it's done for a reason. You don't want to have chalk white skin, don't be a vampire, it's as simple as that.

You have a point there, in terms of game design that fur is technically their skin because that's their only model. So they did it because there was no other way. I understand that, but that still doesn't make it right with me though.

So what if I want to play a Khajiit vampire, but I don't want to have white fur? What then? I'm always thinking I should be playing a Khajiit, but he would have to be a vampire, but I know I couldn't live with the white fur. Any choice I make I still lose. So I do the only thing I can. To come on the forums and to throw this idea out there that they can make stage 1 vampirism keep your original skin/fur color, or make it some other option. That way, the people who like the white fur can keep it, and the people who prefer their original color can keep it.

Ri_Dariit

This one agrees with @apav's sentiment and does not want to look like Chalk-Khajiit. Personal choice and this one won't become infected with Sanguinare Vampiris anymore. Especially since everyone seems to be it now-a-days. Ri'Dariit will refuse to suck blood, no more uniqueness in it if everyone is bat-man or bat-khajiit.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

This one is a snow leopard style khajiit with red eye. was a Snow leopard khajiit with red eye at start now this one a snow leopard khajiit with twice as lighter spots and red eye.

Siberian snow leopard and White puma khajiit are great idea ya know you need to try them

Join us... we are white pretty and extremely thirsty we could use your company fellow khajiits.

Gidorick

I actually like the white color fur of the vampire Khajiit.

Physiologically, I think it makes sense. A person's skin color is a result of the amount of melanin they have and melanin is the same thing that gives a person their hair color. If a vampire's white skin is a result in them loosing the melanin in their skin, a Khajiit should loose the melanin in their fur.

The question, to me anyway, is more "why don't all vampires have completely white hair?" After all, a truly albino person will also have no pigment in their hair, which would be white.

The only explanation for that I could think of is that their hair stops growing once they become a vampire. If THAT were the case then I suppose we are back at the argument of fur=hair. So why is it white?

Ok.. so lets stretch this a bit. Lets just say that the fur follicles are just different enough to where hair (on the head) stops growing once a person is infected. However, a Khajiit's fur keeps growing for a time giving its fur enough of an opportunity to be replaced with white fur deprived of melanin.

Runefell

I wouldn't mind the white fur if it actually looked like fur. Instead, my character often had plastic look to her, like she was furless. And I agree, it looks weird if the fur changes color, but the hair does not.

isailandshootub17_ESO

Maybe ZOS could implement sun glasses and multi colored shoe polish? It would have high RP value for a kitty vamp such as yourself, trying to hide their real nature.

But I do feel for you. You desire to make a character look the way you desire has a big impact on your enjoyment of playing that character. I suppose the question is, then, *why* does ZOS want vampire's to stand out? Well it does make sense from an RP perspective, though presumably, a character could implement measures to cover up their disease (and I do think that the disease makes the player "undead" by definition, as they are hated by Meridia, have the same weaknesses as other undead, and are targeted by the undead powers of Fighter's Guild skill line....). Also, it makes sense from a PVP standpoint, that Vamps should stand out, so that other's will know to use fire against them - this is the trade off for vamp bonuses. Now, in PVP, the outward appearance can be totally covered with armor, but then again you run into the problem of not being able to see your avatar and play in the way you desire.

So, perhaps not an option to turn off the appearance change through the interface, but maybe a special brew or potion that could minimize the appearance change? If there were such a potion, I would pay a lot of gold to use it on my character's both PVP and PVE. As of now I don't use vampire on any of my toons because I, like you, do not like the change in my appearance.

Victus

Yeah, I prefer having some "drawbacks" to playing a Vamp in ESO. I think there are too many anyway, but if someone wants to for whatever reason that's fine. If someone else doesn't like the look, then don't be a Vamp, sorry.

Dragsooth

I agree completely, since when does fur get pale, it'd just be the skin

Athas24

I completely agree with the OP here. There are Tons of ways to make Vampire Khajiit look Vampiric and not have stupid white furr. Eyes, Fangs, mottled furr even getting patchy or manage depending on the severity of the vampire tier 1-4 would be excellent ways to show vampirism. The issue he has is an issue many people have about many things such as armor being changed in patches to cover more skin or what have you. The issue is he spent time developing a look and after turning vampire it's no where remotely similar to what he created. I have a vampire breton and a vampire khajiit The breton's skin color and changes looked natural in their progression from 1-4 but the khajiit's don't. Its just bam ur white enjoy. Zzz that's boring and completely unoriginal in my opinion.
I think his suggestion to change the color back or to have some other method of detection outside of White furr to be a rather good idea. Also for all the vampire haters out there, I primarily spend time playing a Normal Breton Sorc and an Orc Werewolf and completely enjoy them. I also happen to enjoy playing my alt vampires but would like my Khajiit to look better as a vampire. I think so much more can be done outside of White furr.

Good ideas @apav

7788b14_ESO

The hair on my dark-elf even though he is a vampire stays jet black. So hair on other characters don't change color when they become Vamps. Just skin color changes. I would be happy if the passives were fixed.

Have fur turn black on the cats, I could live with that.

Athas24

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

The hair on my dark-elf even though he is a vampire stays jet black. So hair on other characters don't change color when they become Vamps. Just skin color changes. I would be happy if the passives were fixed.

Have fur turn black on the cats, I could live with that.

you're right about the hair on toons. The furr should just be mangy and mottled not varied in color itself. Maybe paler undertones due to the skin beneath the hair or something might be appropriate.

Dragsooth

Lore supports the change in appearance, but not the fact that their fur turns pale white, unlike hair on their head or other race's hair. We just want our spots and stripes back, it sucks to look like a snowball khajiit as every other cat vampire

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

oldkye wrote: »

If you don't want white fur don't be a vampire? lol

It's suppose to be a disease and a curse lol and what's so terrible about forgoing reality for balance in a MMO "Your A Cat Man!!!!!!!" if you want real you shouldn't have been a Cat Person in the first place XD.

Also most of the Khajiit vampires I know did it "Because" they wanted the pale white fur and red eyes lol they made there character from the start to support that look and they love it.

I hate the way my vampire's face looks at stage 4 lol but like you said I just put on a helmet and problem solved.

I like more options and all but I don't see why the devs should completely overhaul the game to let you be a vampire but not have to stand out like one lol and before you say "well I said give everyone the option" what if we don't want it lol? What if we "want" them to have to look different and give us some reason other then min-maxing to be one?

This whole argument is invalid it's not like people see a vampire and equipped fire powers you have it on your bar or you don't you can't change mid fight because you know it's a vamp

Secondly with powers like expert Hunter I can see vampires up and through walls behind rocks and trees if they are not in stealth they are not hidden from me so the ugly skin is no longer needed on anyone

Seth_Black

This one wants to be a 'sucker', yes?

This one needs to deal with the consequences

Gan Xing

Gidorick wrote: »

I actually like the white color fur of the vampire Khajiit.

Physiologically, I think it makes sense. A person's skin color is a result of the amount of melanin they have and melanin is the same thing that gives a person their hair color. If a vampire's white skin is a result in them loosing the melanin in their skin, a Khajiit should loose the melanin in their fur.

The question, to me anyway, is more "why don't all vampires have completely white hair?" After all, a truly albino person will also have no pigment in their hair, which would be white.

The only explanation for that I could think of is that their hair stops growing once they become a vampire. If THAT were the case then I suppose we are back at the argument of fur=hair. So why is it white?

Ok.. so lets stretch this a bit. Lets just say that the fur follicles are just different enough to where hair (on the head) stops growing once a person is infected. However, a Khajiit's fur keeps growing for a time giving its fur enough of an opportunity to be replaced with white fur deprived of melanin.

I disagree. According to what I understand about vampires, they are white not because of lack of melanin (albinoism), but rather because of lack of blood flowing through their veins. This would explain why a vampire's hair retains it's original color, and doesn't grow. There is no blood bringing the dead cells to create keratin.

If a Khajiit vampire has no blood flowing through their veins, their skin is still white, but not their fur. (I'm not sure how it would work with Argonians).

Athas24 wrote: »

you're right about the hair on toons. The furr should just be mangy and mottled not varied in color itself. Maybe paler undertones due to the skin beneath the hair or something might be appropriate.

I also agree with this. Physiologically, it makes sense. An undead Khajiit will have no blood flowing through his/her veins, and thus will not be able to replace the fur once he sheds.

I also want to make one painfully obvious point: When questing, I have encountered various characters who were vampires, but able to retain their skin color, Khajiit (and fur) included.

Perhaps, when a player reaches max level on their vampire skill line, they should be given the option to "look normal" (save for the eyes)