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Your "boss drops changes" solution is almost the same as doing nothing to fix the problem
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They don't need to make a complicated change or some kinda diminishing returns. Just make the boss spawn in random spots in that dungeon. I know the bots can still just use the macros to run through the whole dungeon. But this gives players the chance of killing the boss. Also makes it much more harder for the bot macro to work.0 -
gladen5rwb17_ESO✭✭✭gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »Having most of the game files on the client side is also a massive mistake on ESO's part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
It has nothing to do with having game files on the client side but with allowing packet manipulation and the server not doing checks. If you had no game files on the client side you could not play the game smarty pants
This is what I was told, I shall delete that part of my post and admit I was wrong. You on the other hand could do with some lessens in manners.Edited by gladen5rwb17_ESO on April 24, 2014 12:06AM0 -
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It was obviously sarcasm by calling ZOS brilliant, he wasn't calling himself brilliant. Your wink is just icing.Blackwidow wrote: »
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭This whole thread is based on the assumption that there will not be gold sellers on the consoles...
Well there goes that argument then..
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✭✭✭✭✭kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »This whole thread is based on the assumption that there will not be gold sellers on the consoles...
Well there goes that argument then..
Given how secure the game's been so far... what makes you think the goldsellers won't be able to connect to the console servers?0 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »This whole thread is based on the assumption that there will not be gold sellers on the consoles...
Well there goes that argument then..
Given how secure the game's been so far... what makes you think the goldsellers won't be able to connect to the console servers?
Er.... I think the gold sellers are going to hit the console version of this game like a sweaty knob rash. Why wouldn't they it's money, money money. I can see the ka'ching signs in there eyes now.
Which makes the whole point the op made redundant.
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Lkory✭✭✭kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »This whole thread is based on the assumption that there will not be gold sellers on the consoles...
Well there goes that argument then..
lol, can you bot on a console?
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nhisso✭✭✭✭The gold farmers and bots wont be near as bad on console. They don't have 140 consoles and TVs to hook up to at the gold companies.
And while it is off-subject, Im still pretty irritated by the lack of communication in regards to future plans for the game, too, as far as new guilds and content, classes, barbershop, etc. are concerned.Edited by nhisso on April 24, 2014 3:35AM0 -
Adryssa_Joneley✭✭✭I completely agree with the OP. This game is seriously being ruined by bots. You can't even come into a dungeon and kill a boss and get loot or achievement, let alone even get pleasure from any sort of challenge. I wonder what possessed them to even have public dungeons in the first place. I, along with many would have much rather preferred that they were all instanced. That you can solo it or duo it even if you were grouped with someone. Maybe even increased it's difficulty it the dungeon's challenge the more people you had in your group. My husband and i, and i am sure that many others have reported endless amount of bots in this game and they are now in the higher level areas too, which suggests to me that they aren't even being dealt with. Yet some people get banned or locked out of their account for minimal reason, while bots are allowed to remain and ruin this game. I too defended this game religiously and backed them 100% when people would bad mouth this game etc, but now... i am not so sure i will even bother. /sigh I waited so long and my wanting to play this game is becoming less and less desirable every time i run into a bot, and its 99.999999% of the time when it comes to going into a dungeon. Bots are nothing but cheaters and exploiters. Most games frown heavily upon such cheating, but i seriously hope this game company wakes up and deals with this problem. Us players run into them ALL THE TIME!!! So How hard is it really to get some of the people who work for this company to start doing something about it. Even changing the boss loot system to a 25 hour cooldown is still better. Might thin out some of those bots at least. My two cents worth. /shrug0 -
nhisso✭✭✭✭There is this, though. Not a lot of detail, but decent.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/85974/state-of-the-game-address#latest
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✭are you guys still *** level 10 or what? never seen bots after i moved on to level 40 , all the way up to rank3.
If you really want to stop seeing bots, get good.0 -
WitchAngel✭✭✭I highly doubt they will have the huge success on console that they dream about. Console players can read too. And the text on the net about this game, isn't particularly recommending.
Except for the big review sites, but they are all corrupt in some ways ( be nice to your advertisers, or the money flow will stop.) I have learned this directly from a friend who is a CEO of such a company. This is why I read user reviews instead of "pro" reviews.gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »Having most of the game files on the client side is also a massive mistake on ESO's part.
It has nothing to do with having game files on the client side but with allowing packet manipulation and the server not doing checks. If you had no game files on the client side you could not play the game smarty pants
Not to disturb ya too much, but there is actually a thing called cloud gaming (video streaming). It ain't that big yet, but overtime, when internet speeds skyrocket, it will become huge.Edited by WitchAngel on April 24, 2014 4:15AM0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭gunplummer wrote: »I am a firm believer that PC players are guinepigs for consoles. The PC players find the bugs which get fixed and polished for consoles. Just look at how many fixes modders have come up with for Skyrim not to mention there is still a lot of time before ESO is released on consoles.
I would not be surprised if more MMO's come out on consoles. From a dev's point of view its a good money making process. Consoles are difficult to hack so the bot problem we see maybe a non-issue. Most of the bug, glitches, and exploits will be gone. Built-in voice chat, established micro-transaction system. They have a huge consumer base already and they keep adding features to make them more PC like. If they can just figure a way to get rid of the under 14 crowd it may be the perfect gaming/money-making environment.
I still love my PC.
MMOs don't sell as well on consoles.
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »kylemelhuishb16_ESO wrote: »This whole thread is based on the assumption that there will not be gold sellers on the consoles...
Well there goes that argument then..
Given how secure the game's been so far... what makes you think the goldsellers won't be able to connect to the console servers?
Er.... I think the gold sellers are going to hit the console version of this game like a sweaty knob rash. Why wouldn't they it's money, money money. I can see the ka'ching signs in there eyes now.
Which makes the whole point the op made redundant.
You can ban a console and have it locked out by PS/Xbox Live. Boom, problem solved.
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✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »are you guys still *** level 10 or what? never seen bots after i moved on to level 40 , all the way up to rank3.
If you really want to stop seeing bots, get good.
My main is 32, but I've been playing that one with my girlfriend, so I don't get to spend a lot of time on it. I've got an alt Nightblade at 9, an alt Templar at 9, and an alt Sorcerer at 8... so... yes. I'm sorry I don't have the boundless free time you do. I haven't had that kind of time since I went back to college.0 -
Estin✭✭✭✭✭It seems molag bal has sent his servants to cause grief upon our citizens. We're doing all we can to stop him. In the mean time, keep on killing his servants!
That is what i would expect for an update on the bots. The thing about being guinea pigs for the consoles reminds me of Diablo 3 and how it came out for consoles with updates that PC players didn't have making it better than the PC version. We don't want to pay you to help you with your game. You're suppose to pay us to help you with your game. If bots and broken quests and all these bugs are around at console launch for the PC, the community on the PC will be 40% humans and 60% bots while our console counterpart will be enjoying their perfect, bug free, lag free, bot free game and will continue playing it for years to come while the PC will have Chinese workers being paid $0.04 an hour to loot bosses every 10 minutes because the new way to stop bots is the boss spawns once per 10 minutes. No bot would want to sit there doing that, would they? Of course not.0 -
Tetrasoli✭✭✭WhiteQueen wrote: »I've said this in another thread but--
If they instance the dungeon to the individual player or group and make it a little bit more complicated, like, say: having an active quest in order to make the boss spawn, it'll cut down on the botters but leave the farmers to their farming without harming the experience for anybody else.
It'll probably need more system resources at the start but once people get tired of going back to the start to get the quest and do every step the demand on system resources should taper off.
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Yeah, you and several hundred others to police EVERY instance of EVERY dungeon in EVERY layer on a server time 2 for both servers.There is not one excuse for why there aren't GMs with the power to insta-ban farmers/"bots". I've said it before, and Ill say it again: Pay me minimum wage for my state or give me a free sub., and Ill do it.
Just stop and engage brain before offering such blatantly ridiculous suggestions, and that fact you keep repeating it doesn't make it any more sensible.
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What has that got to do with boss botting?It has nothing to do with having game files on the client side but with allowing packet manipulation and the server not doing checks. If you had no game files on the client side you could not play the game smarty pants
Answer: nothing, because the packets MY PC sends are the same as the botters, when make my character stand there and then spam spear attacks the server sees exactly the same thing from the bots.
Yes, server-side checks can deal with pos-hacking/tele-bots, they CAN'T deal with static boss farming and it's far from easy to auto-detect the bots running trash trains we're now seeing; yes, it's possible by capturing and analysing pathing data but there are fairly easy things the bots' scripts can do to defeat the most practical of those analyses.
As for "smarty pants" .. games like Runescape would like a word with you.
Edited by KerinKor on April 24, 2014 7:58AM0 -
Thete✭✭✭I agree that this solution is pointless but your own suggestion is a bit silly (kind of hoping you were being sarcastic).
Your suggestion is to be paid for banning players (when you can't even hope to operate in a fraction of the instances which exist at any one time) but that someone else also needs paying to make sure you're doing your job.
Fact is that just payinng bot hunters is not at all economical, people just don't grasp the sheer size of the game.MMO PvE veteran looking for suitable guild:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/72899/mmo-pve-veteran-looking-for-suitable-guild-ebonheart-pact-templar-eu#latest0 -
Increase the time to 1 hour and make it affect XP too. This change will not affect the real players.1
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Mizumi✭Just switch public dungeons into private ones and monitor people who spends more than X time in the dungeon or repeatedly moves between dungeons, its not like they matter anyway, all we do is rush in, grab skyshard, do the odd quest, *** the boss and get out, they were a really bad idea.1 -
Tetrasoli✭✭✭Just switch public dungeons into private ones and monitor people who spends more than X time in the dungeon or repeatedly moves between dungeons, its not like they matter anyway, all we do is rush in, grab skyshard, do the odd quest, *** the boss and get out, they were a really bad idea.
Or switch to private ones and let real players do whatever the hell they want. Bots aren't going away, so at least I'd like to run dungeons in peace. When enforcement fails, then I support "out of sight, out of mind". Let ZOS handle bots some other way (legal or otherwise).1 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »Having most of the game files on the client side is also a massive mistake on ESO's part.
It has nothing to do with having game files on the client side but with allowing packet manipulation and the server not doing checks. If you had no game files on the client side you could not play the game smarty pants
Not to disturb ya too much, but there is actually a thing called cloud gaming (video streaming). It ain't that big yet, but overtime, when internet speeds skyrocket, it will become huge.[/quote]
The problem is not so much the speed or bandwidth of the Internet. The problem is latency.0 -
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✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »are you guys still *** level 10 or what? never seen bots after i moved on to level 40 , all the way up to rank3.
If you really want to stop seeing bots, get good.
I'm still seeing bots in dungeons at lvl 31, so stop talking.
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nhisso✭✭✭✭There are bots in higher level dungeons for sure.
As for "this game is 'teh' huge and cannot be policed", that is non sense. Talk about engaging your brain. Stop acting like this game is so massive it would be impossible to insta-ban the bots. They are blatantly obvious in regards to spotting them, and where does this making it sound like there are millions of instances-notion come from? Sounds like you just wanted to be contrarian and throw around a few passive aggressive insults. Pretty pathetic.0 -
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LOL ok big guy. Because that's what this post was about and clearly the only subject at hand. "Maybe you don't understand the difference between diminishing returns and a simple timer". Ohhh man! BURN! You got me, dude. NICE!
Anyways, just wanted to stop by and say a GM just smited some bots right in front of some of us in Auridon and it was glorious lol!
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