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Won't go f2p will it?
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Csub✭✭✭✭✭I also hope it won't happen, but most of the mmos end up like that, still, I have faith in ZOS. If it were to happen anyway, I hope they will go to b2p instead with either free or paid (or both) updates every so often. But still, I just hope that the game will be able to stay P2P. So many people seem to be complaining right now but the two things we shouldn't forget is that they are most probably just the vocal minority and that a game doesn't need 5+ million subscribers to gain profit."The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn -
This is so true i have no idea what happened to people..games were ALWAYS p2p before this f2p crap started and nobody cared back then.I just had a argument with a guy that never played because of the f2p kiddies saying it's bad he sweared up and down the game is overpriced and broken lol i could not say otherwiseI also hope it won't happen, but most of the mmos end up like that, still, I have faith in ZOS. If it were to happen anyway, I hope they will go to b2p instead with either free or paid (or both) updates every so often. But still, I just hope that the game will be able to stay P2P. So many people seem to be complaining right now but the two things we shouldn't forget is that they are most probably just the vocal minority and that a game doesn't need 5+ million subscribers to gain profit.
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Well said.Yes I also hope to stay P2P. I am to damn poor to afford playing f2p games.
Yes and the PS4 and One version together with the pc version will probably keep the game in P2P.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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LIQUID741✭✭✭It's the nature of the ME generation..what is in it for me?! I'm happy to pay for a game that I enjoy..most seem to complain about paying for a game more than they actually play the game.
I love that some will just mindlessly bash a game without knowing anything about said game just due to the subscription model. Pathetic.Solid-Nightblade of AD -
Lets get one thing straight, it is not us Millennials who are the ME generation (20s-early 30s), it's you GenXers(mid 30s-early 50s). Do you listen to yourselves?
The people who are "leaving" (I haven't noticed any of this btw) are the powergamers/powerlevelers who have no real life outside of gaming and just played for days on end to level and didn't take a look at the content at all.
When the gaming industry picks up on this they'll understand what's going on. Also, keep in mind folks buy a game and may not like it.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/03/the-daily-grind-are-mmo-gamers-aging-out-of-the-genre/
You really should be blaming GenXers more as the "Me" folks when my generation only makes up 25% on average as the MMO group base.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130552/unmasking_the_avatar_the_.php?print=1 -
Raice✭✭✭It's the nature of the ME generation..what is in it for me?! I'm happy to pay for a game that I enjoy..most seem to complain about paying for a game more than they actually play the game.
I love that some will just mindlessly bash a game without knowing anything about said game just due to the subscription model. Pathetic.
I've noticed this behavior in several threads on this forum. Frankly, it's enough to make me sick.
I mean... I just don't get it. People expect the developers to just bend to their every want and desire... because something inconveniences their idea of fun. They won't listen to reason about anything, and constantly justify their points by bullying you into submission.
I really want to give these people a piece of my mind, but the reality is... the entire Politically Correct system of etiquette we live in works FOR them. You simply can't do this on a forum without running the risk of hurting someone's feelings, thereby providing yourself with an instant ban. We can't even engage in neighborly social correction anymore. People are supposed to correct those around them... not to be jerks... but for the betterment of the individual and the community.
It just simply blows my mind, these people.
I think once the game settles in and everyone who has their tighty-whiteys tied up in a knot make good on their threats of leaving, that this game will find itself in a situation where it's perfectly sustainable in a Subscription model.
I mean, there's this lie about Subscriptions that they cannot sustain. Subscription models never were "broken" and unprofitable in the first place. Nothing about their ability to produce revenue changed. The only thing that ever changed was the perspective of investors wanting to milk a cash cow for a low cost, and the gaming community who doesn't know any better being force fed F2P garbage for the past 6-7 years. -
Csub✭✭✭✭✭I think the most people who want the game f2p never really played a "f2p" game, they just know many turned to that model so every other mmo should do the same. If they tried any of f2p game as a f2p player, they would agree that the 9 pounds a month cost (I mean, what is that? 30 pence a day?) is well worth the price. At least this is the case in most f2p games anyway, I know there are some with very few limits but there are limits there too. I prefer paying a small amount of money each month to get the same content as everyone else.
Sometimes people look weirdly at me when I tell them I pay a monthly fee for a game. Then I point out that unlike them, I don't smoke for example, this is so much cheaper, healthier and I am having fun. I pay less than a month than they do for a pack of cigarettes
but smoking is just one example.
And as others mentioned above, hopefully with the console versions, this game can be kept P2P. Not many mmos are out for next gen consoles as far as I know.Edited by Csub on April 20, 2014 4:22AM"The Divines gave you a nose for a reason, Tharn. So you can keep your mouth shut and still keep breathing. - Lyris Titanborn -
Tajich✭✭robertbmilesb14_ESO wrote: »
Yes! let us not lose focus,as we all know the Baby boomers are the evil generation! xD
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Yasha✭✭✭✭robertbmilesb14_ESO wrote: »Lets get one thing straight, it is not us Millennials who are the ME generation (20s-early 30s), it's you GenXers(mid 30s-early 50s). Do you listen to yourselves?
The people who are "leaving" (I haven't noticed any of this btw) are the powergamers/powerlevelers who have no real life outside of gaming and just played for days on end to level and didn't take a look at the content at all.
When the gaming industry picks up on this they'll understand what's going on. Also, keep in mind folks buy a game and may not like it.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/03/the-daily-grind-are-mmo-gamers-aging-out-of-the-genre/
You really should be blaming GenXers more as the "Me" folks when my generation only makes up 25% on average as the MMO group base.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130552/unmasking_the_avatar_the_.php?print=1
Will have to go f2p because we won't be able to afford a sub on our old age pension.
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LIQUID741✭✭✭robertbmilesb14_ESO wrote: »Lets get one thing straight, it is not us Millennials who are the ME generation (20s-early 30s), it's you GenXers(mid 30s-early 50s). Do you listen to yourselves?
The people who are "leaving" (I haven't noticed any of this btw) are the powergamers/powerlevelers who have no real life outside of gaming and just played for days on end to level and didn't take a look at the content at all.
When the gaming industry picks up on this they'll understand what's going on. Also, keep in mind folks buy a game and may not like it.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/03/the-daily-grind-are-mmo-gamers-aging-out-of-the-genre/
You really should be blaming GenXers more as the "Me" folks when my generation only makes up 25% on average as the MMO group base.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130552/unmasking_the_avatar_the_.php?print=1
Let me get this correct..you are telling me that the GenXers are the powergamers..have no life outstide of gaming? Because...I would counter that we are the ones with families, paying the bills, taking kids to practices, and dealing basically with the senseless worries of the world. Not saying that some of us are not pounding the keyboard in a ridiculous style..but I can't buy the point that we are the F2P peeps that you speak of.
But then again...I could be wrong, just ask my wife...
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Tiyamel✭✭✭lol so many people screaming F2P, it all comes down to how much faith you have in the developers and the game, if you like it you will subscribe, if not you wont, if they don't have enough subscribers then unfortunately it may well happen, i don't think it will, in fact i have enough faith i have already prepaid the first 6 month subscription with a rolling 6 month sub after that, to be honest this game has far less issues and for me a much better game than a certain rival which flopped 1.0 but still has a sub policy and is doing well, and those that are the biggest voices for F2P will probably start fading away once the free month has gone as they don't want to pay for it obviously, and what's the cost of a subscription these days? it works out pennies per day, less than a pint of beer a week....Guild Master of Lost Prophecies, small group of friends playing in Ebonheart Pact, recruitment only accessible through playing with us and making a good impression.
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rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭This is so true i have no idea what happened to people..games were ALWAYS p2p before this f2p crap started and nobody cared back then.I just had a argument with a guy that never played because of the f2p kiddies saying it's bad he sweared up and down the game is overpriced and broken lol i could not say otherwise
A few points....
"Back then" MMO's were a niche genre. We didn't have millions of players and there weren't many to choose from.
Now the MMO market is massive and it is incredibly competitive.
Add the rising cost of game design and developers need a certain profit to maintain the game.
When subs drop too low then they add more to a cash shop and switch to free to play in order to bring more people in.
As for this games price .....
This game cost £49.99 for my digital standard edition.
Average PC game costs £29.99 to £39.99
It IS overpriced. The box price alone would have been enough to put some people off.
On Topic.....
Will this game go free to play?
Eventually it might do, I can't say for certain without knowing how many subs they need to stay in profit.
I hope it doesn't but it does seem to be happening to a lot of MMO's recently.Edited by rawne1980b16_ESO on April 20, 2014 8:50AM -
I can deal with either F2P or P2P, many of the members of the DarkStar Alliance are either disabled with no income or students with very limited cash budgets. In many cases the only computer is family owned and shared so gaming hours are limited. The Tiered Free to Play model works better for them in most games with it. Some content they never get to play because it is locked behind costly quest pack doors.
In many cases they have more characters of a higher average level than I do but I play a much larger number of games. Most Free to Play model but I do put significant cash into the developers pockets for the goodies I want to use.
I do not like a monthly must pay, Here in ESO I will pay for six months upfront when the trial ends, it is already setup waiting to trigger. It is cheaper per month that way and easier to pay ahead when convenient.
Unless hopeless code errors pile up I will stay in ESO along with my long term commitment to World of Tanks and World of Warplanes as designated DSA handler for those games and World of Warships when it comes out. LoTRO and others games get my attention also.
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Shimond✭✭✭✭robertbmilesb14_ESO wrote: »http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/03/the-daily-grind-are-mmo-gamers-aging-out-of-the-genre/
You really should be blaming GenXers more as the "Me" folks when my generation only makes up 25% on average as the MMO group base.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130552/unmasking_the_avatar_the_.php?print=1
You link one report from Capcom on their Resident Evil franchise with guesses that the MMO industry is exactly the same (I don't know about anyone else but I haven't played an RE game since the very first one).
Then the second one is taking snapshots of players from MMOs before WOW came along (article is from 9/1/04).
And you base your assumptions on those?
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✭Sorry OP , i dont have the power to see the future.
Still , i would bet it will , first because most of the others did , which does mean something and second because i dont see myself playing this for much longer after i reach vet 10 atm.
Still , im not vet 10 , so i cant decide on that yet , and they could still make some changes that could keep me playing."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Selstad✭✭✭✭The vocal minority are often those that are - correct - very vocal. They complain about everything between Nirn and Oblivion, and they are 100% impossible to please. An example of this is complaining about bugs, then complain about server down to fix bugs. They will always complain, and when you think they're running out of things to complain about, they figure something insubstantial and blow it out of proportions (dupe bug per example). This I'm afraid is the WoW generation we're living in, people that mostly joined WoW at end of Wrath or during Cataclysm, see a game that's been polished over many years, and compare every MMO thereafter after those standards. They expect a newly released MMO to be as polished and "well tuned" as a game that's now running on its 10th year.
A funny aspect is that these "WoW kiddos" are also very vocal towards how "bad" WoW is. It seems like they are in a love/hate relation, where they "hate" WoW yet also "hate" every other MMO out there for not being WoW. It's not easy to make an understanding of this.
Lets hope that TESO manages to stay P2P. I don't mind paying at all for this, and if they decide to include some F2P module, gimp it so hard that it's better to P2P than F2P. We finally have a game that's not close to being WoW, neither in execution nor in gameplay. It's a complete fresh breath in an MMO world that had slowed down a lot over the years due to WoW. Many have tried being WoW and so fallen on that. So lets hope, just hope, that this can continue to stay P2P. it really deserves it. -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭If you take a close look at soul gems, enchantments and the revive mechanic, at transportation costs, including horses, at inventory and bank management, you can already see a groundwork lending itself quite easily towards a F2P model. IF they change from P2P it's gonna be a freemium model and I'm certain - at least in the beginning - we won't even notice much of a difference. That one thing, they got right."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!" -
jimredtalon✭✭✭ESO feels like a moneygrab. Barely anything is said by the devs , no clear future plans or things they are planning, patches/content is just added.
I wouldn't be suprised this will be F2p very soon.
But that's just my thought about it.
Sorry, and I mean that, but I can not understand peoples reasons for feeling so put out by not having some joe at Zenimax hold you and tell you its all going to be okay every time a bug or glitch pops up. I don't want to hear from them cause if they are posting then they ain't programming, I say keep it up and don't talk till the job is done. I mean, what is it that every needs so much reassurance about?A solution to all your Auction House Woes. -
Shimond✭✭✭✭ESO feels like a moneygrab. Barely anything is said by the devs , no clear future plans or things they are planning, patches/content is just added.
I wouldn't be suprised this will be F2p very soon.
But that's just my thought about it.
So you're completely oblivious to Craglorn, then? And not aware of the Reddit AMA either, I suppose.
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Jonnymorrow✭✭✭I don't want it too because I prefer sub based games. But I can't help but think this game will go f2p if zos don't sort themselves out.
The service and customer service isn't good enough.
The PvE content is far to easy and lacks any challenge. Where are the world bosses that take 12+ people to even think about killing. All of the current world bosses can be 2 manned with ease.
Pvp needs work in my opinion. Needs more depth and more mechanics in place to maintain balance in campaigns.
And the current issues with bugs allowing people to dupe their asses off.
Yeah it's not looking good. This Saturday when the server was down forever on a bank holiday weekend, I considered canning my sub. I didn't but I will if they carry on how they started out.
