Veteran is not Veteran, and just 50 - 60 with forced quest grind.

Victt

What the title says.

Like, nothing has changed from level 50.. the difficulty has barely changed, and most things are actually easier than they were during the lower levels. Instead of being able to grind, we're all being FORCED into doing something a lot of people find boring... Questing. Upping Dungeon EXP / Mob EXP would have fixed this. A few "Special" Vet dungeons here and there for us to farm til vet 10, with some ultra rare items added in so it isn't all useless. Come on.. this whole thing seems rushed and like you guys were just lazy.

NordJitsu

Vet Rank is majorly different from leveling. You no longer gain attribute points or many of the stats.

And you're no longer completely useless in PvP.

Zazar

What the title says.

It says that you're a lazy casual player.

Severan

Zazar wrote: »

What the title says.

It says that you're a lazy casual player.

Not at all lol. Some people may want to be able to PvP to level or do something other then 95% solo PvE quests for days.

Victt

NordJitsu wrote: »

Vet Rank is majorly different from leveling. You no longer gain attribute points or many of the stats.
And you're no longer completely useless in PvP.

Wouldn't say that majorly different. You can still be quite efficient in PVP at early levels with the correct build, but I see what you mean.

You still have to quest and level as you did from 1 - 50. Nothing changes... you just get less in return for doing so.

Zazar wrote: »

What the title says.

It says that you're a lazy casual player.

It does?

I'd much rather farm dungeons 16 hours a day than quest. and I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.. The casuals quest.

Melian

Victt wrote: »

Instead of being able to grind, we're all being FORCED into doing something a lot of people find boring... Questing.

This is the strangest sentence...

Victt

I just meant it sucks that there's only one option. There should be more than one way to level.

Mie87

Victt wrote: »

I just meant it sucks that there's only one option. There should be more than one way to level.

Indeed!

Mordenkaiser

So, just curious how would people propose leveling?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around the complaints, as Vet 1-10 is supposed to be brutal.

As I understand it currently there are the following ways to level.
-Killing mobs
-Completing Quests
-Exploring area's

I hear a lot of people saying "Well pvp should allow you to level"
My response to that is that it does, although in a limited fashion, quests being the vehicle or gating mechanic in place to prevent abuse of pvp leveling. As we seen with the PVP kill quest being repeatable with 0 cool down, people took extreme advantage of that quest to the point where we had Vets within the first day or 2 with a actually pretty modest amount of time. Now the PVP quest still exists, but is less exploitable.

To address just a little exercise in thought here many people say "Why do I have to quest, I'm being forced to PVE to level!" Think of it this way.

PVPers complain they are forced to PVE in order to gain levels. There are means to acquire XP through entiirely PVP means (PVP quests that require 0 actual PVE encounters). So the issue becomes more that PVE leveling is by many arguements "Faster" and thus a PVPer feels they are forced to PVE to level "fast" rather then level "at all"

Now if we reverse some words..

PVEers complain they are forced to PVP in order to gain levels. There are means to acquire XP through entirely PVE means (PVE quests that require 0 actual PVP encounters). So the issue becomes more that PVP leveling is by many arguments "faster" and thus the PVEer feels they are forces to PVP to level "fast" rather then level at all.

Unfortunately, the rub was that the latter example was before they included the kill 20 player quest cool down, something I'm amazed made it past beta, the result being that PVE'ers were on the short end of the stick, but also that the sheer volume and speed of PVP'ers leveling up, not count people who made teams to kill trade resulted in a dangerously large growth in the amount of Vet players within the first 4-5 days. This was taken advantage of by players who already knew the system, the same people who rolled level 10-20's in PVP in their first Veteran gear sets. All ESO has done is slowed leveling across the board,

PVPers can still level, it just takes longer.
PVE'ers can still level, it also takes a long time.

Sorry for the wall of text.

ZakyUchiha

Bro, have you even tried questing in the higher Veteran?
The mobs are considerably stronger.
I play Templar dps with heavy armor and have 1,6k armor, 1,5k spell resistance and about 2,2k hp. 1 mob can do 20-40% in 1 normal hit, sometimes more and with stun = almost certain dead. Not to mention, most mobs are in packs of 2-4.
Even with overcapped armor, resistance etc. they do around the same dmg. But if you can keep CC them (if you have enough magicka and/or stam) some of them can be pretty easy to kill.
Unfortunately you can't grind mobs, since they do not give any VP.

The only notable difference is if you compare VR1 and VR10. I think there's like 28 DMG difference on a VR10 greatsword compared to a VR1 greatsword.

1 complete zone should give you at least 1 level.

Pendrillion

Well said Mordenkaiser. I am a PVE player. Because TES... Nuff said. I take my time as long as I want to reach level 50. I know there are a lot of people used to rush into Veteran Content because they are used to highly competitive gameplay. And maybe because you might have been taught to work like that.

It puzzles me to read about people who "LIKE" to grind. I find nothing more dull than to hang around spawn zones and to kill hordes of NPC Monsters just to get some meager XP.

This game tries to introduce some ACTUAL entertainment to you. People invested time and money to think about clever stories so they don't send you onto generic gathering quests. You really should think about what you try to achieve, instead of Powerleveling with 20 charas through the game and miss all the Intelligent stuff that has been put into the game. I mean of course its up to you. But maybe you want to go back to your generic MMO where you can grind your way up.

Mordenkaiser

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

The mobs are considerably stronger.
I play Templar dps with heavy armor and have 1,6k armor, 1,5k spell resistance and about 2,2k hp. 1 mob can do 20-40% in 1 normal hit, sometimes more and with stun = almost certain dead. Not to mention, most mobs are in packs of 2-4.
Even with overcapped armor, resistance etc. they do around the same dmg. But if you can keep CC them (if you have enough magicka and/or stam) some of them can be pretty easy to kill.
Unfortunately you can't grind mobs, since they do not give any VP.

The only notable difference is if you compare VR1 and VR10. I think there's like 28 DMG difference on a VR10 greatsword compared to a VR1 greatsword.

1 complete zone should give you at least 1 level.

Just curious have you tried doing the Cyrodil zone town quests? I'm curious if that might yield better results.

Victt

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

Bro, have you even tried questing in the higher Veteran?
The mobs are considerably stronger.

I'm Vet 5, so obviously. Guildy asked me for help in Vet 10 content, the mobs seem to hit basically the same amount. Was still able to solo 3 at a time as a night blade in public dungeon.

crowfl56 wrote: »

wow surprise and another whiner thread, game is out 2 weeks or less and you 24/7 pvp griefers people that rushed to max lvl's are upset, GO BACK to WOW.

What. I haven't played WoW Since Vanilla... and I'll never play it again. It's a MMO. If you haven't realised, most people do want to hit cap as soon as possible. (The serious players anyway.) I don't 24/7 PVP Either, nor am I upset just suggesting something gets changed. Lmfao

PVP Leveliing is completely viable anyways, it will just take a long time compared to questing.

Veakoth

@crowfl56‌
you are ignorant and naive, please leave

This has all been said already
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/64478/veteran-may-be-a-bit-to-harsh#latest

Valiant29

Since when is grinding fun? We call it 'grinding' for a reason, and there are people that like it? Strange....

Victt

Valiant29 wrote: »

Since when is grinding fun? We call it 'grinding' for a reason, and there are people that like it? Strange....

I love grinding, but I guess that's because I've done so in nearly every MMO I've played. I guess it benefits me a lot more due to getting more items, exp, and crafting exp. xD

Valiant29

Victt wrote: »

Valiant29 wrote: »

Since when is grinding fun? We call it 'grinding' for a reason, and there are people that like it? Strange....

I love grinding, but I guess that's because I've done so in nearly every MMO I've played. I guess it benefits me a lot more due to getting more items, exp, and crafting exp. xD

Don't get me wrong, this is still an MMO and grinding is always a part of an MMO. I'm a VR2 and I've spent maybe a total of two hours grinding. My smithing is at 47 and my enchanting at 32. I don't think I'm missing much by not grinding, and that's why I like this game more than most MMO's I guess.

NorieleMG

Seeing people complain about questing in an Elder Scrolls game made me giggle.

ZakyUchiha

Mordenkaiser wrote: »

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

The mobs are considerably stronger.
I play Templar dps with heavy armor and have 1,6k armor, 1,5k spell resistance and about 2,2k hp. 1 mob can do 20-40% in 1 normal hit, sometimes more and with stun = almost certain dead. Not to mention, most mobs are in packs of 2-4.
Even with overcapped armor, resistance etc. they do around the same dmg. But if you can keep CC them (if you have enough magicka and/or stam) some of them can be pretty easy to kill.
Unfortunately you can't grind mobs, since they do not give any VP.

The only notable difference is if you compare VR1 and VR10. I think there's like 28 DMG difference on a VR10 greatsword compared to a VR1 greatsword.

1 complete zone should give you at least 1 level.

Just curious have you tried doing the Cyrodil zone town quests? I'm curious if that might yield better results.

Haven't actually tried it yet, I completed the starter quests there yesterday.. and took the player killing quest, which in the early days, was exploitable so ppl reached max VR within 24 hours.
But do you know how much VP it gives? Maybe I should start doing them daily xD

Mordenkaiser

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

Haven't actually tried it yet, I completed the starter quests there yesterday.. and took the player killing quest, which in the early days, was exploitable so ppl reached max VR within 24 hours.
But do you know how much VP it gives? Maybe I should start doing them daily xD

Sadly I do not, but I imagine the gains are considerable, all the quests in Cyrodil scale with level (including the dailies in the cities like Cheydinhal) I often take a few friends 20 or so levels lower then me there, we all gain 1 level doing the same amount of quests. Apparently killing a player in PVP someone was claiming yeilds like 2k-8k VP. If thats the case i would not be suprised if thats the best source to level up Veteran.

ZakyUchiha

Mordenkaiser wrote: »

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

Haven't actually tried it yet, I completed the starter quests there yesterday.. and took the player killing quest, which in the early days, was exploitable so ppl reached max VR within 24 hours.
But do you know how much VP it gives? Maybe I should start doing them daily xD

Sadly I do not, but I imagine the gains are considerable, all the quests in Cyrodil scale with level (including the dailies in the cities like Cheydinhal) I often take a few friends 20 or so levels lower then me there, we all gain 1 level doing the same amount of quests. Apparently killing a player in PVP someone was claiming yeilds like 2k-8k VP. If thats the case i would not be suprised if thats the best source to level up Veteran.

Nah, I did some pvp yesterday when I was VR7 and only got like 40 VP per kill or something like that..

Sadae

Unreal. For years people have complained that MMO's are nothing but grindfests. So along comes an MMO that actually has tons of real content where you aren't just grinding most of the time, and now people complain that they just want to grind. But then that's the sign of the times with today's generation; they always want what they don't have, and only ever see the bad, never the good. You can never please these people. No matter, as ginders will get bored of the game, as they get bored any game really fast, and then move on the next thing to complain about.

MasterSpatula

Victt wrote: »

What the title says.

Instead of being able to grind, we're all being FORCED into doing something a lot of people find boring... Questing.

To me, this is like saying, "Instead of being able to ma*****ate, we're all being FORCED into doing something a lot of people find boring... Having sex."

YMMV.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Most people enjoy questing. Would you rather have a kill x monsters daily that you have to do over and over?

Alexies

sounds like another MMO locust crying he can't get to max within a week to me.

Victt

Alexies wrote: »

sounds like another MMO locust crying he can't get to max within a week to me.

Kids like you shouldn't post. I'm happy I'm not capped yet, though what I'm getting at is there should be other options for those who don't want to quest. Yes, it's a "Elder Scrolls" game however it's still a MMO. You're not meant to be comparing it to skyrim and all of the single player games.. it's meant to have stuff MMO's have. We'rent we meant to be able to play how we want to? Doesn't seem like it.

Also, at the person asking about PVP Experience.. yeah it's decent exp (Around 2000 - 3000 VP when you kill people solo. Can get decent EXP in there depending on luck / skill level I guess, just don't party if you want the most.

LonePirate

Victt wrote: »

Also, at the person asking about PVP Experience.. yeah it's decent exp (Around 2000 - 3000 VP when you kill people solo. Can get decent EXP in there depending on luck / skill level I guess, just don't party if you want the most.

Interesting. It might worthwhile to find a friend in a different alliance to meet in a location in Cyrodiil to trade kills in order to gain Veteran XP, Alliance Points and the Kill 20 Players quest. The location would need to be half way between the faction gates or between nearby keeps to reduce the travel time. I would be willing to do this with another VR player if someone is interested. I am a VR 1 for EP if anyone wants to trade kills.

Zephyr

Victt wrote: »

Instead of being able to grind, we're all being FORCED into doing something a lot of people find boring... Questing..

Yeah, it must truly suck to have cinematics and lore. I'm with you man, I would rather run in circles killing zombies, ALL DAY ERRY DAY.

Axer

You could dungeon 100% tell the cap..

Tho yea, would take an absurd amount of runs.

I've done ~15 BC, 7+ spindle, and a few fungal, and still had to do at least the main lines to lvl up. Able to skip all side quests at least.

And tecnically not even quests give any decent VP.

Really ony "objectives" do. (Which for the most part ,can only be completed with quests, tho PDs, Skulls and anchors dont need quests).

So the fastest way is to check if a quest says "objective" when you pick it up. If it doesn't, it won't give much at all.

My only complaint is that they only VR'd 6 dungeons out of 15. That seemed a bit poor for the price of this game.
Even if they just did quick a dirty difficult ramp ups, i'd have a lot more fun running those instead of all the silly way-too-easy solo questgrind.

Hadria

I swear in every other MMO everyone asks for less grinding! but in this game everyones asking for more grinding I'm so confused.

Zerl

It's only a grind as soon as you fall into that mindset...

Get on a comms server and be social, it really does make you forget that you are "grinding".

I've been playing MMOs back from Raganrok Online and RF Online, so it's difficult for me to consider TESO as any form of grinding game. To be honest, it's probably the most forgiving and casual friendly game that I have played (which works in my favour as priorities change as you get older).