Thanks for the fix to caves farming

Daverios

Oh right nevermind I forgot Doshia and crafted food price was a higher priority.

As someone who was making far less crafting food than sitting in a cave farming greater soulstones. I guess that means you WANT me to farm caves with the rest? I mean I called food sales being nerfed and could necro the very post. But seriously that was a higher priority than caves and hireling farming? What a joke.

GossiTheDog

I would rather they fix game breaking main quest bugs than cave farming. Everybody has their own view on things, ultimately.

Kyosji

They can't do much to fix it at the moment, and they openly said multiple times that it was not against the rules to farm the bosses in there. I never had an issue with cave farming. Makes things easier for me to find the loot I need when you have others taking the bosses HP down for you.

Daverios

There is nothing in game breaking it more currently than caves and hireling farming. And yes that includes broken VR quests that 15 people are stuck on. Needs of the many and all that.

My issue is tthy fixed the least game effecting method of farming provisioning, before they even address the one EVERYONE AND THIER GRANDMOTHER is complaining about.

This means they give a rats behind about what players care about and are completely unable to react to it in a reasonable manner.

I for one am not resubbing until caves are fixed and have 2accounts in a cancelled status. This is literally make it or break it for me and im certain many many others.

GossiTheDog

Daverios wrote: »

There is nothing in game breaking it more currently than caves and hireling farming.

Dude, there are bugs where the game literally doesn't work for some people. For example, if you respawn in PVP you often get stuck at loading screens all night. Here's how to deal with cave farming - hit the boss, move on.

Anazasi

fixes seem to follow the masses. When those 15 become 1500 they will do something...right?

Nohvin

Dungeon farming is not a new thing. Granted, it's a colossal pain in the ass to get credit for the boss if you're not there to farm. But currently it's a great way to get loot to deconstruct or sell as well as soul gems (because they can get expensive, especially at lower levels)

Botters are the -real- problem, and they're working on it.

robacooperb16_ESO

The nerfing of the crafted food will significantly affect the gold farmers though. I can easily see how bots running through a well stocked taverns could easily rake in the gold faster than boss farming. My Provisioner alt was easily paying for all of my other toons just with crafted food, and that was me just playing 2-3hrs a day. Farmers must having been really cashing in... and based on some of the botting I reported seeing in the taverns I think Zen realised that too.

As for the needs of the many by @Daverios this is exactly that - the needs of the many unfortunately outweighing the few stuck on VR quests. I get the impression that the gold farmers/buyers/bots/invsi-farmers are slamming Zen's CS with tickets from the community, taking away from the time and resources CS could be using to pop in and help stuck players or deal live with broken quests.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

Nohvin wrote: »

Dungeon farming is not a new thing. Granted, it's a colossal pain in the ass to get credit for the boss if you're not there to farm. But currently it's a great way to get loot to deconstruct or sell as well as soul gems (because they can get expensive, especially at lower levels)

Botters are the -real- problem, and they're working on it.

exactly, and if there aren't bots you can just /say /yell and ask to get a few hits before people wail on them. plenty of players will lay off. I would sacrifice 1 chance at loot if it helped a few players get the achievement or complete a quest and move on. not that this ever happens since bots are everywhere.

liquid_wolf

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Roechacca

I don't think this person is thankful for the cave fix at all .

nanaki90

since when is cave farming broken? worked fine a few days ago when i played

albinokitten

What's hireling farming? I have 3 points in the Clothing Hireling and nothing but junk so far (okay, 1 purple quality crafting item but still lackluster).

Daverios

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Wow really so my opinion and thousands of others does not matter because you disagree. Just wow.

It might sound crazy to you but some of us play the game to actually play the content and not just breeze through for easy credit.

If people want to farm a cave all day we say let em! But ONLY in thier own instance or phase and not mine! I do NOT pay 15$ to watch you farm while I am trying to play. So obviously we have different goals and opinions so they only solution is to seperate us. (Or make caves pvp flagged so I can gank ya).

Reignskream

Daverios wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Wow really do my opinion and thousands of others does noy matter because you disagree. Just wow.

If people want to farm a cave all day we say let em! But ONLY in thier own instance or phase and not mine! I do NOT pay 15$ to watch you farm while I am trying to play. So obviously we have different goals and opinions so they only solution is to seperate us. (Or make caves pvp flagged so I can gank ya).

So as long as they make dungeons instanced, & stay out of your phase. Everything is alright?

I apologize in advance, but all i read from that was, give me give me give me give me. I'm only level 19, but i have had no trouble getting in dungeons and snagging my achiev, and even getting some good loot as well. get 1 hit in and your fine.

Daverios

Reignskream wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Wow really do my opinion and thousands of others does noy matter because you disagree. Just wow.

If people want to farm a cave all day we say let em! But ONLY in thier own instance or phase and not mine! I do NOT pay 15$ to watch you farm while I am trying to play. So obviously we have different goals and opinions so they only solution is to seperate us. (Or make caves pvp flagged so I can gank ya).

So as long as they make dungeons instanced, & stay out of your phase. Everything is alright?

I apologize in advance, but all i read from that was, give me give me give me give me.

You missed the part where I paid my money for as 'expected as advertised' ie. Heavily instanced mega server ... which currently it is not. Then came give give give.

Reignskream

Daverios wrote: »

Reignskream wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Wow really do my opinion and thousands of others does noy matter because you disagree. Just wow.

If people want to farm a cave all day we say let em! But ONLY in thier own instance or phase and not mine! I do NOT pay 15$ to watch you farm while I am trying to play. So obviously we have different goals and opinions so they only solution is to seperate us. (Or make caves pvp flagged so I can gank ya).

So as long as they make dungeons instanced, & stay out of your phase. Everything is alright?

I apologize in advance, but all i read from that was, give me give me give me give me.

You missed the part where I paid my money for as 'expected as advertised' ie. Heavily instanced mega server ... which currently it is not. Then came give give give.

Maybe to you it is not, but to me I have had no problems with dungeons, sorry to say. All you gotta do is get one or 2 hits on the boss and boom, there is your achiev. And ive done that with tons of people hanging around a boss.
idk if your a caster and a bit slower than my char is?

Nohvin

Daverios wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Wow really so my opinion and thousands of others does not matter because you disagree. Just wow.

It might sound crazy to you but some of us play the game to actually play the content and not just breeze through for easy credit.

If people want to farm a cave all day we say let em! But ONLY in thier own instance or phase and not mine! I do NOT pay 15$ to watch you farm while I am trying to play. So obviously we have different goals and opinions so they only solution is to seperate us. (Or make caves pvp flagged so I can gank ya).

He didn't say your opinion didn't matter. He said "I don't agree with your opinion."

Don't look for trouble where there is none.

Also, just try to take out a public dungeon boss your level by your lonesome. They're designed for multiple people.

quthth_ESO

Daverios wrote: »

liquid_wolf wrote: »

You have an opinion. I don't agree with your opinion.

Let people sit in a single room and farm a single monster all day long. It really doesn't matter to me. They pay their $15 a month same as anyone else.

It really has not interfered with completing the dungeon, as I can always get the completion credit and can move on to things that are more fun.

Wow really so my opinion and thousands of others does not matter because you disagree. Just wow.

It might sound crazy to you but some of us play the game to actually play the content and not just breeze through for easy credit.

If people want to farm a cave all day we say let em! But ONLY in thier own instance or phase and not mine! I do NOT pay 15$ to watch you farm while I am trying to play. So obviously we have different goals and opinions so they only solution is to seperate us. (Or make caves pvp flagged so I can gank ya).

So stop standing around watching them farm..

You would rather spoil the fun of other people so that you can stop seeing something that normal people don't get upset about. Just because there are "Thousands" of people who are bugged by it, doesn't me that there are thousands more that could care less.

Stop doing the dungeons is a pretty easy solution if you seriously can't look away like a deer in headlights.

lol this is probably one of the saddest threads I have ever read about. There are people experiencing real game blocking bugs, and you would rather pull away resources for something that isn't even a problem.

plasticarrow

I enjoy camping bosses for free items to deconstruct. U mad?

Elember

The thing is it was probably easier for them to fix one bug and not the other without more development time into the issue. That is the reason things are done in orders that may or may not make sense to us player....

Nermy

One of my guildies has come to the conclusion that the toons farming dungeon bosses are bots. I have no idea or proof he's correct, not even sure it could be done.

KerinKor

Daverios wrote: »

Wow really so my opinion and thousands of others does not matter because you disagree. Just wow.

Negative opinions on features that some people like only matter if they're backed up by well argued FACTS, not a knee-jerk reaction to something or just "because I don't like it".

"Because" is what a 5-year-old says, adults provide a reasoned argument.

starkerealm

nanaki90 wrote: »

since when is cave farming broken? worked fine a few days ago when i played

There are bots swarming some of the delves. Wander into the wrong one and you'll have a hell of a time trying to land a hit on the boss before they croak. For some players, dealing enough damage to even get credit for the kill is a serious struggle.

Daverios

starkerealm wrote: »

nanaki90 wrote: »

since when is cave farming broken? worked fine a few days ago when i played

There are bots swarming some of the delves. Wander into the wrong one and you'll have a hell of a time trying to land a hit on the boss before they croak. For some players, dealing enough damage to even get credit for the kill is a serious struggle.

Report every single one. I am, let CS figure if they are legit or not. Not your job to. Eventually they have to change em as plainly it eats up far far too much support time.

Cherryblossom

I think this quote by Stephen Fry sums this up

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *** what."

If you don't like the way others play, who cares, you play your way I'll play my way.

Nohvin

Nermy wrote: »

One of my guildies has come to the conclusion that the toons farming dungeon bosses are bots. I have no idea or proof he's correct, not even sure it could be done.

There are lots of bots, and the way to tell is if they stand in the same spot without ever moving, using basic attacks.

There are also people like me who get bored waiting for respawns and /lute =P

It's pretty easy to tell who's a bot and who's a player.

When in doubt, send them a tell, someone watching the screen -will- respond.

starkerealm

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I think this quote by Stephen Fry sums this up

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *** what."

If you don't like the way others play, who cares, you play your way I'll play my way.

A couple problems. Stephen Fry was talking about oversensitivity to perceived slights, not gold farmers who are actively sabotaging other player's experiences, so they can then turn around and sell their gains back to others in something that almost resembles really ineffective extortion tactics.

Second, we're not talking about other players having fun in their own way. If it was just legitimate players grinding a boss that'd be fine, we're talking about the swarms of goldseller bots who are actually blocking progress for some players.

merryblues

Campers are kinda cool they play the lute and bang some drums.. Kill the bots

Cherryblossom

starkerealm wrote: »

A couple problems. Stephen Fry was talking about oversensitivity to perceived slights, not gold farmers who are actively sabotaging other player's experiences, so they can then turn around and sell their gains back to others in something that almost resembles really ineffective extortion tactics.

Second, we're not talking about other players having fun in their own way. If it was just legitimate players grinding a boss that'd be fine, we're talking about the swarms of goldseller bots who are actually blocking progress for some players.

However the draconian pronouncement by Zenimax for how they are going to deal with the Perceived issue, does affect how many player like to play.
There decision is based upon the comments of the people offended by people who farm bosses. The Gold farming is a distraction to the reality. They will farm gold in other ways, mainly harvesting nodes as this is much more profitable.

I'm happy to say I farm bosses and so far I have not seen one bot, maybe I'm unlucky but you would think that someone who actually spends time in Dungeons doing farming would spot these mythical Bots..... I have seen the Bots that do the Zone Chat Advertising, I have seen the node farming Bots, or some I have seen for a second before they vanish to the next node! yes I have reported them...

DylanCb16_ESO

albinokitten wrote: »

What's hireling farming? I have 3 points in the Clothing Hireling and nothing but junk so far (okay, 1 purple quality crafting item but still lackluster).

Create an alt, skip tutorial, head towards crafting stations with them, deconstruct high level items to gain rank 3 in woodworking, clothing and blacksmith, put the three skill points you have in the three hirelings rank 1, log in each 24 hours, claim the bags with your main, repeat until all of your character slots are full. you get 8 containers of each profession per day, with high chances of rare crafting ingrediants. Got me 3 - 4 legendarys of each profession the past week.