Frame Rate Issues.

Johnny_NO_skillz

No one on zone chat as the wherewithal to be able to discuss this issue without trying to 1-Up other people's PCs in terms of specs... so hopefully this will initiate some healthy conversation.

I have a powerful gaming PC and my frame-rate is all over the place. It really bites; what's worse is that this game (other than the mass amounts of people running around) doesn't even require a cutting edge PC... I run Titanfall better than this game... it's sort of hurting my confidence

Here are my specs:
16GB of DDR3 RAM
ATi Radeon 290
AMD 8350 @ 4.0GHz
126GB SSD (which the game is installed onto)
Windows 7 64-Bit

On high settings with shadows on medium, and SSAO off I get around 30-45fps... If Shadows are on Ultra, I won't get above 35 in most places.

Dominoid

Are you running ESOHead? Either update to the latest or disable it.

tanis8585

Well first of all stating that you can run Titanfall with no problems makes no sense because Titanfall is built on the Source engine and a computer from 10 years ago can run that game.

ATI drivers suck and your 290 isn't be fully used because of this. which is sad because my wife's setup which contains a GTX 670 runs the game better than what your reporting. her's is almost 60 fps across the board unless in a large pvp fight which drops it to around 30-40 fps.

I myself am running a i5 2500k clocked at 4.5 with 32 Gb's of ram and 2 GTX 780ti's and even I experience slowdown from time to time.

Johnny_NO_skillz

Dominoid wrote: »

Are you running ESOHead? Either update to the latest or disable it.

Not running it at all...

Am I seriously the only one with this problem?

SexyVette07

What power supply are you using?

tanis8585

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Dominoid wrote: »

Are you running ESOHead? Either update to the latest or disable it.

Not running it at all...

Am I seriously the only one with this problem?

probably not but it's the nature of the beast. MMO's never run properly for what the hardware it's running on. Probably will get better later on as updates roll out for the game and AMD updates their driver support for it.

Smeep

I'm in the same boat as you, my PC isn't anywhere near as powerful though; but it most places it surpasses the expectations excluding the processor.

CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 955 40 °C
Deneb 45nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 401MHz (5-5-5-18)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. CROSSHAIR (Socket AM2 ) 40 °C
Graphics
SyncMaster (1440x900@60Hz)
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 (ASUStek Computer Inc)

I've tried to get in to BIOS to play with RAM timings - I know I can push this to 533mhz, but for some reason since installing windows 8.1 I can't access the bios.

It really sucks, I really want to play this game but the frame rate is bugging me massively.

EDIT: I also tried to do an SLR check on it, but for the love of poop I can't get that website to work any more either!

marty83

Mobo: asus sabertooth x79
Cpu: intel i7 4930k oc 4gb
Graphic cards: 2 x gtx 780ti in sli
Ram: 32 GB DDR3 1600MHz
Psu: corsair ax1200i
Ssd: 3 x samsung evo1tb in raid 0

Game runs great (I just wanted to brag a little)

Audigy

ATI Drivers definitely don't suck, since about 4 years AMD has taken over the GPU market with reliable product´s that are at least as strong as those of Nvidia, but demand less power and break less.

TR did run with a performance of about 25% better on ATI cards than on Nvidia. Also BF had huge issues with Nvidia drivers for a while.

I run TESO on a 6970 with a steady FPS and everything on Ultra and 100 view distance. NO slow downs or anything.

I would advice to update your drivers, not only those of the GPU but also MB, Soundcard etc.

Another point is that your CPU is the bottleneck of your system, AMD CPU´s suffer at MMO´s since years. A 2500k is 20% faster already and then having this issue with the threating that AMD´s suffer under, you of course have a worse performance than someone on an intel system.

I hope you can fix your problems, its something on your end.

jimdove

the engine does seem to have drops in cities, daggerfall for example drops to 45fps for me, everything else is locked 60, all things to max but bloom off (I HATE BLOOM) and draw distance on about 60 (this seems to be the main issue with this game engine atm.

Not been in RVR yet so cant comment on large scale battles.

i7 920 @‌ 4ghz
12GB RAM
780ti


p.s Just remembered I have d3doverrider enabled globally so im forcing triple buffering and vsync from that so vsync off in game. Detection level is on high. forgot i had it running since AC4 needs it to stay at 60fps.

JokerProductions

I am getting the same thing. In dungeons and small ares my FPS is pinned at 100 which is the max for this game. In populated ares like cities, I see drops into the mid 40's. All the while my one 780 being utilized is hover at 60% usage wile my CPU is at 40%.

I should point out I have two 780's, but obviously right now without SLI support I can only use one. Tried AFR2 and that locked my FPS at an eternal 19.6

This game needs a driver update to address this more than anything. I don't reckon SLI will fix this since my one 780 being used isn't even being pushed that hard.

Sarenia

Hi @Johnny_NO_skillz‌

I stopped using ATI years ago. Sadly they fell far behind on drivers somewhere around 2005 roughly. I am absolutely not prone to fangirl posts, but I will say that I, sadly, must recommend everybody use Nvidia these days for the sake of sanity. I absolutely believe your issues are driver related, and that the hardware components of your GPU should be able to function better than they are.

That said, I recommend using your Radeon software to micromanage settings. Adjust Catalyst AI and other such settings until you find a comfortable FPS vs Quality setup. It's tedious, but that's the boat you're in.

Hopefully somebody else comes in with a magical solution to ATI related problems. In the meantime, I would suggest pursuing a refund and buying an NVidia card. I despise monopolies, but Intel/Nvidia have one at the moment.

Vikova

It is likely a driver issue. I never went under 30 fps in the first place, but once I updated my Nvidia drivers it is even better. If that doesn't work, then it is likely an ATI issue like others are saying.

JokerProductions

Sarenia wrote: »

Hi @Johnny_NO_skillz‌

That said, I recommend using your Radeon software to micromanage settings. Adjust Catalyst AI and other such settings until you find a comfortable FPS vs Quality setup. It's tedious, but that's the boat you're in.

Settings on the driver level will have no effect on in-game performance until Zenimax supports full screen mode, which it still doesn't. Borderless Fullscreen will not allow for graphics changes on the driver. You won't see them.

Xionar

hmm I'm running the game on high with a very very old Radeon 4890 with no real frame issues, fps usually sits at only 30, but never really drops, unless I get into a bit of a memory leak issue with ESO. In which case simply closing and reopening the client fixes it, as well as making sure internet browsers are closed...due to the low vram I imagine. Card is so old I can't even use Catalyst anymore

I'd definitely say it's probably a driver issue, but it may not be the video card, check all devices to see if they have any driver updates.

Vikova

JokerProductions wrote: »

Settings on the driver level will have no effect on in-game performance until Zenimax supports full screen mode, which it still doesn't. Borderless Fullscreen will not allow for graphics changes on the driver. You won't see them.

I seem to have fullscreen. It isn't a moveable window, and takes control of the display. And updating my drivers did increase my framerate, though I didn't really need it.

andrew7447

I found this game really easy to run, 1920x1080 on a g75 laptop maxed besides water and shadows 60fps to 51 being my low. Haven't been in a real packed city to drop to low yet.

Audigy

I stopped using ATI years ago. Sadly they fell far behind on drivers somewhere around 2005 roughly. I am absolutely not prone to fangirl posts, but I will say that I, sadly, must recommend everybody use Nvidia these days for the sake of sanity. I absolutely believe your issues are driver related, and that the hardware components of your GPU should be able to function better than they are.

But this just isn't true m8.

Nvidia has huge issue´s at some games, like explained TR or BF. I am not even aware if they fixed those until today while I did run both games on ultra right after release on my ATI.

Games tend to prefer specific cards or game setups, as explained an AMD CPU is weaker in most MMO`s and NVidia tends to always need a fix when new games are released.

I am not making those things up, you can read about those everywhere on the internet if you don't believe me.

The OP has a bottleneck with his CPU, however if the CPU is limiting I don't know. He could test it by lowering his GPU settings and if he still has lags and drops then its the CPU.

Another reason could also be his cooling system. Maybe the GPU, CPU shut down due overheating.

Really, its nothing we know and it requires testing from the OP. To say "throw your ATI away" is really silly, as it has most likely nothing to do with his card, especially if I run it perfectly fine on a 6970. The only explanation for a "card issue" that I have is 1GB Vram as this is really low these days. Mine has 2GB and I also run the HD tweak, so it really sits at 1.5 in most cases - but that's more memory related than, I wouldn't buy a card these days with less than 2GB.

I would check the following things,

1. Driver updates for every hardware in the system (ATI´s are from Dec. 2013)
2. Temperature check
3. PSU check
4. CPU Check

Either his system has a bottleneck, a temperature issue or a driver related problem. Its hard to find the reason, but to blame ATI for it is really not helping the OP a bit

Sarenia

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Couch_King

I'm experiencing similar issues with my i7 3930k, GTX 770 build. It doesn't seem to matter whether I have everything maxed, or on medium. I get a slightly more consistent frame rate if I lower some of the graphics settings, but it's still all over the place regardless. there's terrible jitter and screen tearing, even with vertical sync on. The v-sync doesn't seem to work right at all. when I have the settings dialed so the frame rate hovers around 80 without v-sync, I turn v-sync on and the frame rate doesn't lock in at 60 like with most of the other games I play.

(I'm playing on OS X, which has native drivers, so I suspect the Mac client needs some updating perhaps?)

Tiyamel

FX8150 @4.4Ghz
GTX670 @1189Mhz
12GB Corsair Vengeance @‌1800Mhz
650w XFX Extreme PSU
Asus Crosshair Formula V mobo
Win7 64bit

Same problems, in PvE i can max all settings 1920x1080 and have no issues 60-100fps open world, 40+ in cities and populated areas, come PvP tho and that drops badly, open areas are fine but battles and its dropping to below 10fps on occasions, gets me killed, unable to use abilities, extreme lag

Vodkaphile

Audigy wrote: »

ATI Drivers definitely don't suck, since about 4 years AMD has taken over the GPU market with reliable product´s that are at least as strong as those of Nvidia, but demand less power and break less.

Not even close to being accurate. Not in a million years.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

ATI has never been able to compete with Nvidia in terms of raw power. They cant even compete in price anymore, their high end flagship GPU's are worse than a cheaper, faster GTX 780.

As for the OP, you aren't the only one having this problem. I used to scoff at people having issues with this game, and now I feel like an idiot. Because lately I have been having FPS issues as well with a computer that runs Crysis 3 in 2560x1600 on maxed, frapsing in true color with an IPS 1.04 billion color display. My computer is literally worth $5,000 and I'm seeing spikes that dip me down to 30fps, meanwhile I can play Metro or Crysis 3 with no issues fully maxed. So I think optimization in ESO is a huge problem.

Syntse

Few threads about this already. However it would seem like the game is not totally optimized, drivers both ati and nvidia has no real support for the game yet (afaik) and the game runs in windowed mode and not fullscreen.

Some setups seem to work fine with good fps however many setups have issues no matter if ati or nvidia. On nvidia side it seems that especially 700 series is having issues getting good fps in this game.

Let's just hope that future patches to game improves the situation and that we'll get gfx drivers that support this game.

Csub

Sarenia wrote: »

Hi @Johnny_NO_skillz‌

I stopped using ATI years ago. Sadly they fell far behind on drivers somewhere around 2005 roughly. I am absolutely not prone to fangirl posts, but I will say that I, sadly, must recommend everybody use Nvidia these days for the sake of sanity. I absolutely believe your issues are driver related, and that the hardware components of your GPU should be able to function better than they are.

That said, I recommend using your Radeon software to micromanage settings. Adjust Catalyst AI and other such settings until you find a comfortable FPS vs Quality setup. It's tedious, but that's the boat you're in.

Hopefully somebody else comes in with a magical solution to ATI related problems. In the meantime, I would suggest pursuing a refund and buying an NVidia card. I despise monopolies, but Intel/Nvidia have one at the moment.

@Sarenia why don`t you center your post anymore? :O I mean seriously, they were nice!

As for the topic: Yep, the game is not fully optimized yet as far as I know and we are also lacking support for multiple core CPUs if I am not mistaken.

Audigy

Vodkaphile wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

ATI Drivers definitely don't suck, since about 4 years AMD has taken over the GPU market with reliable product´s that are at least as strong as those of Nvidia, but demand less power and break less.

Not even close to being accurate. Not in a million years.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

ATI has never been able to compete with Nvidia in terms of raw power. They cant even compete in price anymore, their high end flagship GPU's are worse than a cheaper, faster GTX 780.

While being an Nvidia fan isn't a punishable offence, you should still stick to the truth. You don't help the OP by stating false facts.

AMD has the best price / performance value and this wont change that soon. Their cards give you more performance or equal performance for less money. Unless you want to go for PhysX, AMD should always be the choice.

Besides that, the 780 by Nvidia is out performed by a 290 of AMD plus costs 70USD more.

mutharex

I have an I5 with an 7850 and I never dip under 30 FPS so not sure it's an ATI issue

manyrabidrats

i have an i7 with a 770 4gb, never drop below 40 fps, except with the ball of flies around dead enemies in al'kir desert, when i get close and look at it, my gfx card sh**s all over itself and i get 4 fps until i look away from it. its something to do with that animation.

Zakua

It has to be the old hardware/software maze..bits of your mobo, graphics, CPU and storage, one of them or a combo of them could be the culprit . I have no doubt some folks see issues, it has happened to me in certain games for one reason or another. Wish I had an answer for you.

As for the other talk of NV/ATI...I can tell you from both camps the game runs fine on my machines.

RazzPitazz

The only time anyone will notice the difference in an AMD product is when the system is getting over stressed. AMD products will not handle this stress as well because of the architecture, but if you get to the point where you are stressing your system that hard then you arw doing it wrong.