Everyone wearing a Factotum skin is a defacto cyberman?

YetAnotherLinuxUser

LunaFlora

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

Jaraal

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Who?

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

LunaFlora

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

LunaFlora

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

those factotums mumble and recall dreams they have had when they were alive. thats what it sounds like to me. sounds like cyber regret to me....

LunaFlora

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

those factotums mumble and recall dreams they have had when they were alive. thats what it sounds like to me. sounds like cyber regret to me....

they weren't ever organic so never "alive".
cyber regret isn't a thing factotums can have.
there's nothing for them to regret, they're artificial.

their voice is probably of Sotha Nall, likely Sotha Sil's sister.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Factotum's_Secret_Voice

ArchMikem

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LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

A.I. as we know it, doesn't exist in Elder Scrolls. I'm fairly certain every single Intelligent automaton, harbors someone's Soul.

LunaFlora

ArchMikem wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

A.I. as we know it, doesn't exist in Elder Scrolls. I'm fairly certain every single Intelligent automaton, harbors someone's Soul.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Associate_Zanon

What's so special about rebuilding an old factotum?
"Would you believe that the apostles don't know how to create factotums?"
Yes. or No.
'"That was a rhetorical question.
The sad truth it that while we apostles can create metal limbs and motors, we cannot replicate the intelligence Sotha Sil gave the factotums. We're also unable to enter the factories where they're created."

YetAnotherLinuxUser

someone needs a doctor?

LunaFlora wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

A.I. as we know it, doesn't exist in Elder Scrolls. I'm fairly certain every single Intelligent automaton, harbors someone's Soul.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Associate_Zanon

What's so special about rebuilding an old factotum?
"Would you believe that the apostles don't know how to create factotums?"
Yes. or No.
'"That was a rhetorical question.
The sad truth it that while we apostles can create metal limbs and motors, we cannot replicate the intelligence Sotha Sil gave the factotums. We're also unable to enter the factories where they're created."

ergo cybermen. all cybermen were once people.

LunaFlora

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

there's no Factotum skin.
are you referring to the polymorph?

why would they then be a cyberman?

yes. you do remember how cybermen are made... same as factotums...

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

i'm not so sure about that. i thik sotha sil was doing some sketchy things

he really wasn't.
factotums have artificial intelligence.

sotha sil and his apostles are the only cyborgs, maybe there's some other characters but i dont remember

A.I. as we know it, doesn't exist in Elder Scrolls. I'm fairly certain every single Intelligent automaton, harbors someone's Soul.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Associate_Zanon

What's so special about rebuilding an old factotum?
"Would you believe that the apostles don't know how to create factotums?"
Yes. or No.
'"That was a rhetorical question.
The sad truth it that while we apostles can create metal limbs and motors, we cannot replicate the intelligence Sotha Sil gave the factotums. We're also unable to enter the factories where they're created."

ergo cybermen. all cybermen were once people.

nothing about that says that they were people.
i really don't know where you're getting factotums being cybermen from

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Factotums uses a soul gem, thereby someone or something's soul, to function. Most dwemer automatons are also powered by soul gems. But their bodies and "programming" are completely of Sotha Sil's making, it's not the soul's from the soul gem, of that there is no trace. Factotums are robots that uses a soul gem as a battery, meanwhile cybermen are cyborgs, they are highly modified people and still has organic parts in them, albeit few.

Caligamy_ESO

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Factotums uses a soul gem, thereby someone or something's soul, to function. Most dwemer automatons are also powered by soul gems. But their bodies and "programming" are completely of Sotha Sil's making, it's not the soul's from the soul gem, of that there is no trace. Factotums are robots that uses a soul gem as a battery, meanwhile cybermen are cyborgs, they are highly modified people and still has organic parts in them, albeit few.

well i dont ascribe to people having souls and all this sould gem mess. people are souls they dont have souls.
people are made from the dust of the ground and the breath of life and when those two things are combined by their creator then they become a living soul. another word for breah of life might also be metabolism in the scientific sense. that breath of life or the ability to metabolize is a power source not an underlying intelligence. though the creation of such a power source requires an intelligence far beyond anyone on this planet is capable of designing.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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in any case i find it fascinating that as many people play this game who are also whovians, that anyone would buy a cyberman/factotum polymorph. just sayin'.

LunaFlora

factotums are robots, people like robots.

i like doctor who and really will never see factotums as cybermen because they're not cyborgs.

i use the polymorphs because i like robots

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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LunaFlora wrote: »

factotums are robots, people like robots.

i like doctor who and really will never see factotums as cybermen because they're not cyborgs.

i use the polymorphs because i like robots

Well i mean if thats what you want to tell yourself.... just sayin... you'll not convince me of that like that.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

wait, what?

LunaFlora wrote: »

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

Saint Llothis, Saint Felms, and Saint Olms would like a word…

And if you never touch Trials, so would Bolin and Sovor Saryoni

LunaFlora

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

factotums are robots, people like robots.

i like doctor who and really will never see factotums as cybermen because they're not cyborgs.

i use the polymorphs because i like robots

Well i mean if thats what you want to tell yourself.... just sayin... you'll not convince me of that like that.

yea i already know you're not convinced.
they really aren't cyborgs so you'll just continue to be wrong i guess

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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They sure look like former people taken for sotha sils experiments to me.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

no.
factotums weren't ever organic.

Saint Llothis, Saint Felms, and Saint Olms would like a word…

And if you never touch Trials, so would Bolin and Sovor Saryoni

see the lore supports my hypothesis, despite my not personally buying into this soul and soul gem business.

LunaFlora

those are examples of people's souls being put into factotums and not the factotums you see around clockwork city not the polymorph

Braffin

oh heck yeah!

LunaFlora wrote: »

those are examples of people's souls being put into factotums and not the factotums you see around clockwork city not the polymorph

There aren't any factotums not "fueled" by a soulgem. That's literally impossible in the world of eso, as souls deliver the necessary energy for them.

While a factotum doesn't contain any organic parts (opposite to fabricants), they are a combination of metal and a soul.

The phenomenon called "verbal artifacts" shows very clearly, what exactly Sotha Sil were doing to those poor people, which are used to fuel his creations. No wonder any research regarding their nature is forbidden at all cost.

How do you think metal is brought in motion? Electricity? Sorry, that's something nonexisting on Mundus.

FantasticFreddie

oh heck yeah!

YetAnotherLinuxUser wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Factotums uses a soul gem, thereby someone or something's soul, to function. Most dwemer automatons are also powered by soul gems. But their bodies and "programming" are completely of Sotha Sil's making, it's not the soul's from the soul gem, of that there is no trace. Factotums are robots that uses a soul gem as a battery, meanwhile cybermen are cyborgs, they are highly modified people and still has organic parts in them, albeit few.

well i dont ascribe to people having souls and all this sould gem mess. people are souls they dont have souls.
people are made from the dust of the ground and the breath of life and when those two things are combined by their creator then they become a living soul. another word for breah of life might also be metabolism in the scientific sense. that breath of life or the ability to metabolize is a power source not an underlying intelligence. though the creation of such a power source requires an intelligence far beyond anyone on this planet is capable of designing.

That's all lovely but we are talking about a video game, where souls can be captured in gems

LunaFlora

Braffin wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

those are examples of people's souls being put into factotums and not the factotums you see around clockwork city not the polymorph

There aren't any factotums not "fueled" by a soulgem. That's literally impossible in the world of eso, as souls deliver the necessary energy for them.

While a factotum doesn't contain any organic parts (opposite to fabricants), they are a combination of metal and a soul.

The phenomenon called "verbal artifacts" shows very clearly, what exactly Sotha Sil were doing to those poor people, which are used to fuel his creations. No wonder any research regarding their nature is forbidden at all cost.

How do you think metal is brought in motion? Electricity? Sorry, that's something nonexisting on Mundus.

electricity isn't actually some foreign concept in elder scrolls.
dwemer automatons and factotums use it.

but how factotums are brought in motion is with magicka.
not sure which poor people you're referring to?

because if the verbal artifacts are of Sotha Nall it would be of her final memories when Mehrunes Dagon attacked and destroyed Ald Sotha.
"burning beds" Dagon certainly loves fire so it's not exactly confusing.

YetAnotherLinuxUser

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LunaFlora wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

those are examples of people's souls being put into factotums and not the factotums you see around clockwork city not the polymorph

There aren't any factotums not "fueled" by a soulgem. That's literally impossible in the world of eso, as souls deliver the necessary energy for them.

While a factotum doesn't contain any organic parts (opposite to fabricants), they are a combination of metal and a soul.

The phenomenon called "verbal artifacts" shows very clearly, what exactly Sotha Sil were doing to those poor people, which are used to fuel his creations. No wonder any research regarding their nature is forbidden at all cost.

How do you think metal is brought in motion? Electricity? Sorry, that's something nonexisting on Mundus.

electricity isn't actually some foreign concept in elder scrolls.
dwemer automatons and factotums use it.

but how factotums are brought in motion is with magicka.
not sure which poor people you're referring to?

because if the verbal artifacts are of Sotha Nall it would be of her final memories when Mehrunes Dagon attacked and destroyed Ald Sotha.
"burning beds" Dagon certainly loves fire so it's not exactly confusing.

And despite your voluminous viewpoint, you havent even voted in the poll. YOu could at least cast a vote.

Braffin

oh heck yeah!

LunaFlora wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

those are examples of people's souls being put into factotums and not the factotums you see around clockwork city not the polymorph

There aren't any factotums not "fueled" by a soulgem. That's literally impossible in the world of eso, as souls deliver the necessary energy for them.

While a factotum doesn't contain any organic parts (opposite to fabricants), they are a combination of metal and a soul.

The phenomenon called "verbal artifacts" shows very clearly, what exactly Sotha Sil were doing to those poor people, which are used to fuel his creations. No wonder any research regarding their nature is forbidden at all cost.

How do you think metal is brought in motion? Electricity? Sorry, that's something nonexisting on Mundus.

electricity isn't actually some foreign concept in elder scrolls.
dwemer automatons and factotums use it.

but how factotums are brought in motion is with magicka.
not sure which poor people you're referring to?

because if the verbal artifacts are of Sotha Nall it would be of her final memories when Mehrunes Dagon attacked and destroyed Ald Sotha.
"burning beds" Dagon certainly loves fire so it's not exactly confusing.

No, that's wrong. Dwemer automatons and factotums use souls, not electricity.

Dwemer animunculi function on steam power, magic and tonal architecture. Constructs around Tamriel, such as in Skyrim and Solstheim, are equipped with individual soul gems or dynamo cores. It is not clear if they are powered directly by the energy of the soul or by some kind of harmonic resonance with the energies contained in the soul gem.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer_Animunculi

While the Precursor required a dynamo core as its power source, later factotum models required what was known as an animo core—a brass vessel that utilized a soul gem in some manner.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Factotum

I really have no idea where you get this "electricity"-idea from. Care to provide any source?

LunaFlora

Braffin wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

those are examples of people's souls being put into factotums and not the factotums you see around clockwork city not the polymorph

There aren't any factotums not "fueled" by a soulgem. That's literally impossible in the world of eso, as souls deliver the necessary energy for them.

While a factotum doesn't contain any organic parts (opposite to fabricants), they are a combination of metal and a soul.

The phenomenon called "verbal artifacts" shows very clearly, what exactly Sotha Sil were doing to those poor people, which are used to fuel his creations. No wonder any research regarding their nature is forbidden at all cost.

How do you think metal is brought in motion? Electricity? Sorry, that's something nonexisting on Mundus.

electricity isn't actually some foreign concept in elder scrolls.
dwemer automatons and factotums use it.

but how factotums are brought in motion is with magicka.
not sure which poor people you're referring to?

because if the verbal artifacts are of Sotha Nall it would be of her final memories when Mehrunes Dagon attacked and destroyed Ald Sotha.
"burning beds" Dagon certainly loves fire so it's not exactly confusing.

No, that's wrong. Dwemer automatons and factotums use souls, not electricity.

Dwemer animunculi function on steam power, magic and tonal architecture. Constructs around Tamriel, such as in Skyrim and Solstheim, are equipped with individual soul gems or dynamo cores. It is not clear if they are powered directly by the energy of the soul or by some kind of harmonic resonance with the energies contained in the soul gem.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dwemer_Animunculi

While the Precursor required a dynamo core as its power source, later factotum models required what was known as an animo core—a brass vessel that utilized a soul gem in some manner.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Factotum

I really have no idea where you get this "electricity"-idea from. Care to provide any source?

source is magic? we have shock magic in elder scrolls, is that not electricity?
dwemer automatons and clockwork factotums use it when they attack you

LunaFlora

how does using soul gems for machines make them cyborgs though?
none of you have actually explained that.
are the souls in soul gems controlling the factotums or dwemer automatons?