SUPPORT GOLD GONE

KV_Tootn

So i wrote a while about my friend that had his gold removed.
Today , after 3 weeks silence,literaly few mins ago he got response that they removed His gold 400 million because they think hes selling gold for money, because hes moving gold thru mail system.
[snip] hes a GUILD TRADER in the biggest guilds. He makes 20 -30 millions a week. He tarades materials and pays in mail with the gold. He buys his crowns with real money. HIS money. HES good in real life(i mean he can aford that).
HE Right NOW IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE CANT EVEN SEND FRIENDS GOLD FOR BUYING THINGS.... HE SENDED ME MORE than 100milions for all motifs and gears i have...
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EVEN I HAVE GIFTED millions to my friends,.
GO ON REMOVE EVERYTHING from us...... FSSS EACH minute this game is punishing for players. AND it gets deppressing..
1.SOOO if i want to give my friend 20 million i will sell an apple thrue guild trader for 20 million.. -Not agains TOS
2. DO we need to ask suporrt each time before sending people money true mail?
WE not breaching TOS . Eso mailing system literaly alows to mail people gold, and trade it.
PS.
When he got his golds removed we guildies sended him few millions back (because he helped us) so he can aford his traiding and dosnt need to cancel all his gaming...
Are we now criminals too , we sended him millions in gold because hes a friend? Are we now goldsellers too?
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[edited for bashing/profanity bypass]

ZOS_Kevin

Regarding your friend's gold, please have them create a ticket if they haven't to appeal. If they do have a ticket and would like to share it, we can take it to customer service to follow up regarding any action taken. We can then follow up with the user to clarify anything.

KV_Tootn

Hello.
@ZOS_Kevin Thank you for answering. When he gets back at me then i can share the info with you .
His acc name @KV-Marximus. He cant come on forum.
Im sorry ,for bad language in post , but there is so much frustration. in this.

ArchMikem

Could you point me to the place to make a friend that gifts me 20 million gold?

evymyu233

what???thats crazy!!

Lags

Please do keep us updated, i would love to hear how this turns out.

fizzylu

I have a bestfriend who farms like crazy then just sells pretty much everything of worth.... she sends/trades me millions all the time. It's really concerning that they'd just take someone's gold, no questions asked, like that. Especially considering that same friend of mine has been reporting this person in Bleakrock Isle for over a week now for trying to sell gold in zone chat.... yet that person has yet to be banned, nothing. Zenimax needs to make it make sense because this is ridiculous to see and hear about.

Redguards_Revenge

Yup, I made a guess as to what might have happened. NOTE THIS IS A GUESS.

Invest into accounts on eso+ when crown gifting was allowed (not sure when that was). Hold the crowns a couple of years. These people probably were going to sell the accounts with the crowns on them, but then they saw that it was more profitable to sell the crowns for gold. So long as they made over $15/month per account, that was free money. They probably did the gold sales on a burner account. If they profited $10 on 1000 accounts that's $10k per month. Get about 100 people to work on 10 accounts each in a 3rd world country, and that's a career.

Since these were ESO+ accounts, they could also give their services to people who needed to farm items....Thanks to the sticker book, they can then pick up all items EXCEPT the one's that are highly sought after and sell those services for gold. A guild 7 good players that will help with the farm and 4 carries/item loot accounts, 1 that takes all the gear to be destroyed and keep the others from not consuming the weapon, so it drops. Then get gold from those carry players and sell as well. They'll look like normal players. Money laundering at it's finest.

It's too hard to tell the difference. So closing it all out is the only solution. ZoS probably can't stop all the ways they can sell gold for cash. However, anything in the store will never be tied to gold. It must be bought from them with cash straight up.

I am guessing that there were people who bought gold from gold sellers and found people to change that gold to crown items. Thinking about it, the gold sellers probably used the ESO+ crowns and just sold them directly to the customer.

Now that the economy is inflated, they are probably making more money because people are less likely to pay for sub or the crowns.

Remember every month with eso+ ZoS gives 1650 crowns.

The other thing is they might not have to invest into accounts. Instead, they might be buying accounts from people who quit and have all those crowns on them. So now ZoS isn't guaranteed any future revenue until this foreign seller burns through all those accounts.

I've played MMOs for over 20 years I've seen almost all the shady money-making schemes. I only pay for the entrance to the game. Nothing more nothing less. I will never understand the fascination buying crowns or the crates. Especially since I've been through many game closures and seen everything go away.

Are some of the things on the store cool? yes, but I am the type of person who rarely changes my looks. To me the iphone is no different than a motorolla phone. Except the price. That being said I did buy a ConceptD Spatial Labs edition when it was on sale. I couldn't say no to a laptop with a 3D stereoscopic screen. Metaverse or no, I always wanted to make 3D stereo software, games, UI, models, etc. I just hated VR headsets because it disconnects me from the world around me. I have a tiny bit of paranoia. So that's why I think about how things might have happened so I can be ahead of the curve.

Redguards_Revenge

ArchMikem wrote: »

Could you point me to the place to make a friend that gifts me 20 million gold?

Do you remember that skyrim yahoo answers meme where the guy asks about where he can learn the language of the dovah?

JimFord047

He Has Got an update from ESO , and they apologised and are arranging the return of the money..

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

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Thank You very Much for Your Assistance in this, we all very much appreciate it

ZOS_Volpe

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts that were bashing and non-constructive, we must remind everyone that all should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules that we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to take a few moments to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding.

jommerryrth

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Yup, I made a guess as to what might have happened. NOTE THIS IS A GUESS.

Invest into accounts on eso+ when crown gifting was allowed (not sure when that was). Hold the crowns a couple of years. These people probably were going to sell the accounts with the crowns on them, but then they saw that it was more profitable to sell the crowns for gold. So long as they made over $15/month per account, that was free money. They probably did the gold sales on a burner account. If they profited $10 on 1000 accounts that's $10k per month. Get about 100 people to work on 10 accounts each in a 3rd world country, and that's a career.

Since these were ESO+ accounts, they could also give their services to people who needed to farm items....Thanks to the sticker book, they can then pick up all items EXCEPT the one's that are highly sought after and sell those services for gold. A guild 7 good players that will help with the farm and 4 carries/item loot accounts, 1 that takes all the gear to be destroyed and keep the others from not consuming the weapon, so it drops. Then get gold from those carry players and sell as well. They'll look like normal players. Money laundering at it's finest.

It's too hard to tell the difference. So closing it all out is the only solution. ZoS probably can't stop all the ways they can sell gold for cash. However, anything in the store will never be tied to gold. It must be bought from them with cash straight up.

I am guessing that there were people who bought gold from gold sellers and found people to change that gold to crown items. Thinking about it, the gold sellers probably used the ESO+ crowns and just sold them directly to the customer.

Now that the economy is inflated, they are probably making more money because people are less likely to pay for sub or the crowns.

Remember every month with eso+ ZoS gives 1650 crowns.

The other thing is they might not have to invest into accounts. Instead, they might be buying accounts from people who quit and have all those crowns on them. So now ZoS isn't guaranteed any future revenue until this foreign seller burns through all those accounts.

I've played MMOs for over 20 years I've seen almost all the shady money-making schemes. I only pay for the entrance to the game. Nothing more nothing less. I will never understand the fascination buying crowns or the crates. Especially since I've been through many game closures and seen everything go away.

Are some of the things on the store cool? yes, but I am the type of person who rarely changes my looks. To me the iphone is no different than a motorolla phone. Except the price. That being said I did buy a ConceptD Spatial Labs edition when it was on sale. I couldn't say no to a laptop with a 3D stereoscopic screen. Metaverse or no, I always wanted to make 3D stereo software, games, UI, models, etc. I just hated VR headsets because it disconnects me from the world around me. I have a tiny bit of paranoia. So that's why I think about how things might have happened so I can be ahead of the curve.

i think think post is ridiculous in as much as it seems to ridicule people who are successful at making in game money in an mmo. frankly i dont have any such drive but so what if others do. people want to spend real money to make in game gold then good for them.

darvaria

SENDED .......

Trobaka

So after PvP and PVE endgame they are now removing trading endgame? I wonder what it will look like when they reach fashion endgame...

KV_Tootn

UPDATE.

So all went chill. He got his gold back,after revieving the removal.. They apologized and hes happy.
Thank You @ZOS_Kevin for helping out.

Mayrael

KV_Tootn wrote: »

UPDATE.

So all went chill. He got his gold back,after revieving the removal.. They apologized and hes happy.
Thank You @ZOS_Kevin for helping out.

Good to know, but ZOS having access to logs, chats etc. etc. should investigate better before taking such actions. There will be huge difference between gold seller activities and actual player activities.

finehair

Guilty until proven innocent, elder scrolls cops in action folks

Wolfkeks

Glad this got resolved for your friend OP!

darvaria

KV_Tootn wrote: »

if i want to give my friend 20 million i will sell an apple thrue guild trader for 20 million.. -Not agains TOS
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SO ... @Kevin helped this guy's friend and never ONCE did you say this is okay or NOT. So this is legal for everyone, I suppose.