Would you find use for a Negative Modifier Set ?

WiseSky

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Set Name:

Mythic Armor of Misfortune

2-Piece Bonus: - 2500 Max Health , -2500 Max Magicka , -2500 Max Stamina

3-Piece Bonus: -666 Magicka Recovery, - 666 Health Recovery, - 666 Stamina Recovery

4-Piece Bonus: -2000 Spell Resistance, -2000 Physical Resistance, -2000 Critical Resistance

5-Piece Bonus: Each equipped piece reduces your weapon damage by 7% and increases the cost of your abilities by 5%.

6-Piece Bonus: Chance while in combat to summon a Random deadly Vet Daedric monster to attack only you, Max up to 3 of them.

7-Piece Bonus: Each time you take damage, you have a 15% chance to receive a curse for 15 seconds that reduces all of your stats by 33%. Additionally, each hit you receive also deals 2000 damage to you.

8-Piece Bonus: 15% chance that the next Skill you use get a 10 seconds extra cool down before being used again. And upon returning deals the damage to you.

9-Piece Bonus: Every Skill or Light attack you use has a chance to summon a Random Pattern of Deadly AOE area that you might have to dodge up to 3 AOE area max.

10-Piece Bonus: You get cursed and will have to Block, Dodge, Interrupt or stay still to nullify attacks coming randomly from the beyond of oblivion.

11-Piece Bonus: Upon death you may lose, gold, CP, Inventory Items, Craft bag Items, Pets, Mounts, HOUSES for a limited time or permanently.

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Each item will offer unique negative modifiers, and it will be possible to roll for their effects or adjust their potency.

I'm interested to know what kind of negative modifiers you would prefer to use

Edited piece 11

Aardappelboom

nay

At first glance, yeah, it would make overland a bit more fun for me.

On the other hand, I love tinkering with builds to overcome arena's and dungeons solo and in group. Using this mythic will take away the fun of making a build, which is to me is one of the most fun things to do in ESO. That's why I voted no.

Thormar

Stealth buff overland thread?

Necrotech_Master

im pretty sure the general consensus is that people want a harder overland but also use whatever gear they want instead of using (or not using at all) gear to make it more difficult

also just looking at your 11 pc bonus it just sounds like a borderline troll post

ArchMikem

nay

Obvious joke suggestion is obvious. A set like that is pure masochism. If you want harder overland just undress.

spartaxoxo

yay

I voted yes for the idea but not for the bonuses as laid out in the OP. Obviously I wouldn't put on anything that could make me lose a house. I paid real money for those.

Credible_Joe

nay

I already went over this in the overland megathread, but the core issue with the difficulty being so low is that character progression makes the narrative less fun.

Therefore, having a system to increase difficulty in steps to match your level of skill and gear is much more aligned with the core of the problem than anything that makes you either undress or equip gear that debuffs you.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7853267/#Comment_7853267

BenTSG

yay

A debuff set could be fun just for the sake of it. Anything to bring back a little bit of challange to the overland, though some of these debuffs you listed are a litle strange

CameraBeardThePirate

yay

INB4 they close this thread like they closed mine discussing the same concept.

Overland is too easy for any player that does endgame content. For those saying "Just undress", that doesn't really fix the problem at all - overland mobs die in no time even if you are naked.

Dr_Con

nay

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

INB4 they close this thread like they closed mine discussing the same concept.

Overland is too easy for any player that does endgame content. For those saying "Just undress", that doesn't really fix the problem at all - overland mobs die in no time even if you are naked.

and putting this set on doesn't stop the person trying to do dailies from killing the boss you were just hitting for the last 20 minutes.

there comes a point, even in single player TES games, where players are able to one shot bosses (or kill them easily, at least). Once it gets to that point you have to find other things to make that same content more interesting, some people resort to nerfing themselves, or making new characters- I say do something else. You'll never truly be able to be new to the game twice.

Holycannoli

Why would anyone want to use a set that's only negatives? It's not like the negatives are offset with some great bonuses elsewhere which might possibly be worth it depending.

SeaGtGruff

ArchMikem wrote: »

Obvious joke suggestion is obvious. A set like that is pure masochism. If you want harder overland just undress.

And leave your weapons and skill bars at home. Even a naked player can melt through much of the overland content if they're still using their weapons, weapon skills, class skills, etc.

kargen27

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Obvious joke suggestion is obvious. A set like that is pure masochism. If you want harder overland just undress.

And leave your weapons and skill bars at home. Even a naked player can melt through much of the overland content if they're still using their weapons, weapon skills, class skills, etc.

Maybe not melt but yeah you can punch your way through most of a zone if you want. I was on a level 31 character and planned to preload finished quests for the current event. I forgot I had removed all the gear from this character and jumped into Imperial City to do a quest. I had to punch a couple of evil doers into oblivion and it took a while. I did have a shield skill I could use but no damage skills. Ported out, grabbed some gear and went back to try again.

The problem with nerfing yourself is you are fighting the same fight, it just takes longer. The mobs do the same thing they've always done.

bmnoble

nay

I sure as hell would not farm that mythic, even if it were a crafted set, I would not waste the materials to make it.

People want to be able to use the sets they spent time farming, upgrading, transmuting, without having to tie a hand behind their back due to everything being killed before you get through the first 5 skills on one of your skill bars in overland, if it were not for world bosses and world events I would probably never use my back bar in overland.

I don't want every mob in overland to become a damage sponge by any means but it would be nice if supposedly elite mobs lived up to their name somewhat and quest bosses felt different to the regular mobs when fighting them.

SeaGtGruff

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Obvious joke suggestion is obvious. A set like that is pure masochism. If you want harder overland just undress.

And leave your weapons and skill bars at home. Even a naked player can melt through much of the overland content if they're still using their weapons, weapon skills, class skills, etc.

Maybe not melt but yeah you can punch your way through most of a zone if you want. I was on a level 31 character and planned to preload finished quests for the current event. I forgot I had removed all the gear from this character and jumped into Imperial City to do a quest. I had to punch a couple of evil doers into oblivion and it took a while. I did have a shield skill I could use but no damage skills. Ported out, grabbed some gear and went back to try again.

The problem with nerfing yourself is you are fighting the same fight, it just takes longer. The mobs do the same thing they've always done.

Yes, but you can't just ignore their mechanics as you can when you're OP-- and they can actually use their mechanics because they don't just melt before getting that chance. And if you're low-powered and without armor or self-healing skills, there's even the risk of getting killed if you aren't careful.

On the other hand, the whole point about the fights being the same but simply taking longer is, in my opinion, kind of why the idea of a difficulty slider for overland probably wouldn't be as satisfactory for a lot of players as they're thinking it would be.

kargen27

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Obvious joke suggestion is obvious. A set like that is pure masochism. If you want harder overland just undress.

And leave your weapons and skill bars at home. Even a naked player can melt through much of the overland content if they're still using their weapons, weapon skills, class skills, etc.

Maybe not melt but yeah you can punch your way through most of a zone if you want. I was on a level 31 character and planned to preload finished quests for the current event. I forgot I had removed all the gear from this character and jumped into Imperial City to do a quest. I had to punch a couple of evil doers into oblivion and it took a while. I did have a shield skill I could use but no damage skills. Ported out, grabbed some gear and went back to try again.

The problem with nerfing yourself is you are fighting the same fight, it just takes longer. The mobs do the same thing they've always done.

Yes, but you can't just ignore their mechanics as you can when you're OP-- and they can actually use their mechanics because they don't just melt before getting that chance. And if you're low-powered and without armor or self-healing skills, there's even the risk of getting killed if you aren't careful.

On the other hand, the whole point about the fights being the same but simply taking longer is, in my opinion, kind of why the idea of a difficulty slider for overland probably wouldn't be as satisfactory for a lot of players as they're thinking it would be.

yeah, that is where I ended up. For a long time I was all in on either sliders or food/potions that would reduce abilities attributes and other things. After leveling a character to 50 with no CP and only the gear I found in the tutorial I came round to thinking just nerfing a character isn't enough and nothing else is really feasible. Not that I wouldn't want a harder overland. I think I would enjoy it. Just don't think it can happen.

chessalavakia_ESO

Maybe a little bit.

It's not really going to be fun in areas where you'll have to fight the same enemies multiple times due to respawns.

It's also not really going to be fun in areas that you want to get done ASAP and ESO has a fair number of areas that fall into that category for me or do so after you've done it a few times.

Finally, ESO's newer content frequently is high enough difficulty that crippling my character would likely mean I wouldn't be able to compete it.

However, if it had rp implications it might be more appealing.

For example, I don't really love being the vestige. If we could equip something and cease to be the vestige it might be more interesting.

TaSheen

nay

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Maybe a little bit.

It's not really going to be fun in areas where you'll have to fight the same enemies multiple times due to respawns.

It's also not really going to be fun in areas that you want to get done ASAP and ESO has a fair number of areas that fall into that category for me or do so after you've done it a few times.

Finally, ESO's newer content frequently is high enough difficulty that crippling my character would likely mean I wouldn't be able to compete it.

However, if it had rp implications it might be more appealing.

For example, I don't really love being the vestige. If we could equip something and cease to be the vestige it might be more interesting.

Agreed. I don't want to be the vestige forever.... Seriously, the world has moved on (uh.... outside of Cyro and the TBW....) I got my soul back (on my first two account mains) and I just pretend I've done it on the rest of them. It's "roleplaying", okay?

CP5

nay

Making boring fights take longer by sabotaging yourself isn't what many people looking for more challenge in the game are asking for, and is something we already have access to by just not wearing gear or using skills.

Hapexamendios

nay

Easierr to just wear no armor imo. Don't have worry about another set.

phaneub17_ESO

nay

Now I wouldn't mind a Mythic item that drained power from me and gave it to my companion.

As long as you have a living companion, this is applied to them:
10% increased damage done
10% reduced damage taken
20% increased max health
20% increased duration on buffs and debuffs
30% more ultimate generation
3000 armor penetration

As long as you have a living companion, this is applied to you:
10% reduced damage done
10% increased damage taken
10% reduced max health, magicka, and stamina
Ultimate abilities cost increased by 20%
20% reduced critical chance
20% reduced critical damage

When you don't have a living companion, the time to revive your companion is 50% faster and does not cost a soul gem.

rpa

nay

If the 'hard mode' would be implemented it should be a toggle or slider. Like read 'the Scroll of Agony' to get debuff for couple of hours.or something. Not fiddling with gear or build.

SilverBride

nay

I wouldn't use it because I like the difficulty just as it is.

SeaGtGruff

CP5 wrote: »

Making boring fights take longer by sabotaging yourself isn't what many people looking for more challenge in the game are asking for, and is something we already have access to by just not wearing gear or using skills.

The thing is, everyone has their own ideas about what is "boring" and what is "exciting." Shut some people up in a room filled with books and they will be in hog heaven as they read for hours on end. Shut other people up in that same room and they will be tearing out their hair and climbing the walls out of sheer boredom.

Speaking for myself, I enjoy fights that last for a while-- as long as I feel like I've got a chance to win the fight, and more so if I need to stay on my toes to keep from dying. To me, rapidly melting through enemies is boring. So-- to each their own.

tonyblack

nay

For me the most important parts of rpgs is progression in terms of skill, gear and overall story coercion and using items like that just feels wrong, unenjoyable and immersion breaking. It does close to nothing to adress difficulty concern, which imho could be done in much better ways than just artificially handicap our characters. Creating more challenging solo activities and stories would be far better approach.

jad11mumbler

nay

11-Piece Bonus: Upon death you may lose, gold, CP, Inventory Items, Craft bag Items, Pets, Mounts, HOUSES for a limited time or permanently.

Imagine buying a $100+ house only to lose it to something dumb, or a bug.